Post Game - Saints @ Skins

[j_y19]

Quarterback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

Here you go - here are the QBs by salary. If you paid Cousins $5M / yr you would be putting him in the Hoyer, McCown, Sanchez territory - that is an insult since most of these guys are either backups or should be backups.

Sure Cousins doesn't deserve to be in the top tier making $20M+ /yr. However - assuming a decent amt of success for the remainder of the season - he deserves a lot more than to be say the 30th highest paid QB in the NFL. The numbers that some are suggesting would have been appropriate perhaps for last offseason when there were more unknowns.

More importantly, if you lowball him and he walks, you do you sign? And at what price? It's all about what the market bears, and right now there are no QBs in FA or the draft which are better than cousins, especially here. Assuming he continues to show modest growth and doesn't implode, he will be the belle of the ball for QBs in FA.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think most of us agree that we trust SM to make the best decision, whatever that is.

 

[ehb5]

this is foolishness , 12 mil a year makes him the 21st highest paid qb in the NFL as a starter and you and GK think he will accept a 5 mil a year offer that is less then half of that ? and you BELIEVE that is right and you BELIEVE he would take that ???????

when this season shakes out i expect he will fall between 13- 25 in the qb ratings overall but you want to pay him like a scrub ? you arent signing him for 5 mil people

Doesnt mean hes worth the money. Right now he is not worth 12 million dollars from this team based on the information we have. If at the end of the year hes playing well sure. But I dont think its very smart to pay a guy the the week after he faced the easiest defense of his career.

 

[ehb5]

Just remember that this is not about what somebody believes that somebody is worth. This is about supply and demand (as Skinsdad alluded to). If Cousins has a productive remainder of season there will be an increased demand for his services and that lowball contract likely won't be enough regardless of what any of us believe that he is worth.

Id rather pay McCown $5 mil than Cousins $12 mil based on what we've seen so far. That doesnt mean Cousins isnt better or worth more but we need to see him continue this through the season. Then sure go for it.

Ultimately GTD money is a lot more important than the total money anyway. Unless the guy goes off over the 2nd half we need to be able to get out of any contract we give him.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Id rather pay McCown $5 mil than Cousins $12 mil based on what we've seen so far. That doesnt mean Cousins isnt better or worth more but we need to see him continue this through the season. Then sure go for it.

Ultimately GTD money is a lot more important than the total money anyway. Unless the guy goes off over the 2nd half we need to be able to get out of any contract we give him.

Like I said this is based on Cousins having a productive remainder of the season. If he goes back to primarily making mistakes & losing games then yes he shouldn't make that kind of money & likely won't get big offers from others. Again - this has nothing to do with what any of us believe he is worth. It is all about what other teams believe he is worth & it only takes one team to up the bidding.

 

[ehb5]

Like I said this is based on Cousins having a productive remainder of the season. If he goes back to primarily making mistakes & losing games then yes he shouldn't make that kind of money & likely won't get big offers from others. Again - this has nothing to do with what any of us believe he is worth. It is all about what other teams believe he is worth & it only takes one team to up the bidding.

I missed that. I thought this was based on giving him this contract right now. If he plays well the rest of the season thats another story, sure.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I missed that. I thought this was based on giving him this contract right now. If he plays well the rest of the season thats another story, sure.

Yep sounds like we are in agreement & short of him agreeing to a very low contract there really is no reason to extend him right away.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Yep sounds like we are in agreement & short of him agreeing to a very low contract there really is no reason to extend him right away.

Unless he pulls a post season Flacco like performance down the stretch which would be good for the short term, possibly an overpay for the long term.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Unless he pulls a post season Flacco like performance down the stretch which would be good for the short term, possibly an overpay for the long term.

If that insane possibility occurs then I say backup the Brinks truck & have at it. It would almost be worth it just for the shorter term joy for all of us - don't see it.

 

[skinsdad62]

I missed that. I thought this was based on giving him this contract right now. If he plays well the rest of the season thats another story, sure.

i meant end of season based on continued improvement and we shouldnt sign the ancient mccown for any reason . just draft some young blood and play mccoy

 

[gkekoa]

this is foolishness , 12 mil a year makes him the 21st highest paid qb in the NFL as a starter and you and GK think he will accept a 5 mil a year offer that is less then half of that ? and you BELIEVE that is right and you BELIEVE he would take that ???????

when this season shakes out i expect he will fall between 13- 25 in the qb ratings overall but you want to pay him like a scrub ? you arent signing him for 5 mil people

Dad...don't take this wrong but do you even read the posts? I'm talking actual meaning.

The question that was posed was based off an article of contract negotiations NOW. I said the contract we should offer now is one step above McCown's current contract. I stated the offer should be for three years so KC, when he outperforms it, can get paid. I also said it should come with a guarantee that he is our guy next season. So far...this is what he has earned. He hasn't earned a bigger contract b/c two weeks ago people were clamoring for him to be benched.

Do I think he will sign the above contract today? NO. But that would start negotiations. If he continues to play well...I expect a little back slide honestly...then you talk 12 million/year. If he falters a bit, we are right back to the contract I have listed here.

What do I expect him to sign for in the offseason? 8-10 mil/season on a 3 year contract with about 10 mil in guarantees.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad...don't take this wrong but do you even read the posts? I'm talking actual meaning.

The question that was posed was based off an article of contract negotiations NOW. I said the contract we should offer now is one step above McCown's current contract. I stated the offer should be for three years so KC, when he outperforms it, can get paid. I also said it should come with a guarantee that he is our guy next season. So far...this is what he has earned. He hasn't earned a bigger contract b/c two weeks ago people were clamoring for him to be benched.

Do I think he will sign the above contract today? NO. But that would start negotiations. If he continues to play well...I expect a little back slide honestly...then you talk 12 million/year. If he falters a bit, we are right back to the contract I have listed here.

What do I expect him to sign for in the offseason? 8-10 mil/season on a 3 year contract with about 10 mil in guarantees.

8-10 mil is at the bottom of starting qbs if i am his agent i say hell no

 

[gkekoa]

8-10 mil is at the bottom of starting qbs if i am his agent i say hell no

The bottom of the starters are around 5 mil per season. Starting QBs making less than 8-10mil...
Jameis Winston 6 mil/season
Teddy Bridgewater 1.7 mil/season
Tyrod Taylor 1.2 mil/season
Fitzpatrick under 4 mil/season
Blake Bortles 5 mil
Brian Hoyer 5 mil
Mariotta under 6 mil
McCown under 5 mil
Derek Carr under 2 mil

Look, a lot of these guys are on their rookie contract but look at the ones that are not. He deserves more than the ones on this list...after this, it is probably Foles, and he deserves less than Foles. Foles had a larger body of work and a more impressive body of work.

8-10 mil is the projection right now after the season. If he were to get 8 wins, he may get a little more but your projection of 6 won't cut it.

He will struggle this week against the Panthers and he has good defenses in Phi, Nyg, and Dalls twice. I expect three turnovers this week at the Panthers.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The bottom of the starters are around 5 mil per season. Starting QBs making less than 8-10mil...
Jameis Winston 6 mil/season
Teddy Bridgewater 1.7 mil/season
Tyrod Taylor 1.2 mil/season
Fitzpatrick under 4 mil/season
Blake Bortles 5 mil
Brian Hoyer 5 mil
Mariotta under 6 mil
McCown under 5 mil
Derek Carr under 2 mil

Look, a lot of these guys are on their rookie contract but look at the ones that are not. He deserves more than the ones on this list...after this, it is probably Foles, and he deserves less than Foles. Foles had a larger body of work and a more impressive body of work.

8-10 mil is the projection right now after the season. If he were to get 8 wins, he may get a little more but your projection of 6 won't cut it.

He will struggle this week against the Panthers and he has good defenses in Phi, Nyg, and Dalls twice. I expect three turnovers this week at the Panthers.

Almost all of those guys are on rookie contracts so the comparison is not valid. The ones who are not on rookie contracts are basically journeyman. Honestly - for the next several years would you trade Cousins straight up for Hoyer, McCown or Fitzpatrick? My answer is hell no! Sure Cousins could falter, but he certainly has more upside than these scrubs & is younger than all three. All three of those guys could very likely be holding a clipboard on the sidelines come next season.

As for Foles - again - he is living off that one good season. Beyond that - he is actually less than a journeyman & IMO Cousins is a lot better.

 

[skinzfan]

The bottom of the starters are around 5 mil per season. Starting QBs making less than 8-10mil...
Jameis Winston 6 mil/season
Teddy Bridgewater 1.7 mil/season
Tyrod Taylor 1.2 mil/season
Fitzpatrick under 4 mil/season
Blake Bortles 5 mil
Brian Hoyer 5 mil
Mariotta under 6 mil
McCown under 5 mil
Derek Carr under 2 mil

Look, a lot of these guys are on their rookie contract but look at the ones that are not. He deserves more than the ones on this list...after this, it is probably Foles, and he deserves less than Foles. Foles had a larger body of work and a more impressive body of work.

8-10 mil is the projection right now after the season. If he were to get 8 wins, he may get a little more but your projection of 6 won't cut it.

He will struggle this week against the Panthers and he has good defenses in Phi, Nyg, and Dalls twice. I expect three turnovers this week at the Panthers.

Cousins may struggle against his upcoming opponents but the Eagles Giants and Dallas don't have good defenses. Giants aren't much better than the Saints, they've given up 37 less yards on defense.

 

[j_y19]

Almost all of those guys are on rookie contracts so the comparison is not valid. The ones who are not on rookie contracts are basically journeyman. Honestly - for the next several years would you trade Cousins straight up for Hoyer, McCown or Fitzpatrick? My answer is hell no! Sure Cousins could falter, but he certainly has more upside than these scrubs & is younger than all three. All three of those guys could very likely be holding a clipboard on the sidelines come next season.

As for Foles - again - he is living off that one good season. Beyond that - he is actually less than a journeyman & IMO Cousins is a lot better.

Foles has proved nothing more than RG3 has. That in the right system with the right players around him, he can have a good year. Of course he is also proving that he can flop, just like RG3. If KC plays out the rest of the year similar as he has played recently, he deserves to be in the same club as Foles, etc. a young QB that has some upside and can be a very effective game manager in the right situation.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Cousins may struggle against his upcoming opponents but the Eagles Giants and Dallas don't have good defenses. Giants aren't much better than the Saints, they've given up 37 less yards on defense.

Yep - with the Giants it seems to be more mental than anything else with the Redskins. They need to avoid the poor start & Cousins needs to play smarter against this team. Regardless of the other games - a win vs. the Giants will go a long way in building confidence for this team moving forward.

 

[gkekoa]

Almost all of those guys are on rookie contracts so the comparison is not valid. The ones who are not on rookie contracts are basically journeyman. Honestly - for the next several years would you trade Cousins straight up for Hoyer, McCown or Fitzpatrick? My answer is hell no! Sure Cousins could falter, but he certainly has more upside than these scrubs & is younger than all three. All three of those guys could very likely be holding a clipboard on the sidelines come next season.

As for Foles - again - he is living off that one good season. Beyond that - he is actually less than a journeyman & IMO Cousins is a lot better.

I already stated most of those guys are on rookie contracts because I knew that is where people would jump.

I have him signing for 8-10 million per season which is twice those journeymen.

I have him less than Foles because Foles does have that one good season...something Cousins does not yet have. What makes KC better? Statistically he isn't. He has a weaker arm and can be less accurate.

I like KC. I think he has a future if he stays here. I think you guys are overvaluing him...at this point.

 

[gkekoa]

Cousins may struggle against his upcoming opponents but the Eagles Giants and Dallas don't have good defenses. Giants aren't much better than the Saints, they've given up 37 less yards on defense.

Eagles have a very good defense. They are number 2 in the NFL in takeaways, something KC has a propensity for, and top ten in scoring.

The NYG don't have a good defense but game 1 against us...forced 3 turnovers. At least we have them at home.

Dallas is Dallas. Every year is a different year when we go against them.

 

[gkekoa]

Foles has proved nothing more than RG3 has. That in the right system with the right players around him, he can have a good year. Of course he is also proving that he can flop, just like RG3. If KC plays out the rest of the year similar as he has played recently, he deserves to be in the same club as Foles, etc. a young QB that has some upside and can be a very effective game manager in the right situation.

Foles has proven he is a team player at least and not a distraction.

Most QBs are system QBs and can have good seasons with the right players around them. Not sure what your point is here.

He is proving he can flop where everybody would flop. Most people think Tavon Austin is their leading WR. Sadly, it is Kenny Britt. This is Foles' first season in an offense with ZERO weapons in the passing game. BTW, Foles was not a GM with the Eagles.

IF KC plays the rest of the season like he has played recently, I agree with you. I wil bump him to 12 mil/season. I never said I wouldn't. If you guys would actually read the written word, you would see I expect him to falter a bit in the coming weeks. That puts him at 8-10 mil.