Post Draft...

[Caliskinsfan]

Another take

 

[Sportster 72]

We all know this, athletes are a funny bunch. Part of what makes them so good is they are ultra competitive. That effects contract decisions at times. Remember Cousins said well before the season that he wants to know that he is wanted. He certainly couldn't have felt like that until mid season last year.

Lets say for arguments sake that Cousins has a year on par with his 2nd half of the year last year or even 85% of that. Then the Redskins would want to keep him and would likely tag him next year or give him a long term contract. Then we get to 2018, Cousins continues to play well. He has played two years with the tag. Shark is not completely off to say he might tell the Redskins "thanks but no thanks, you didn't believe in me when I needed you to." It is also possible he signs as soon as offered what he thinks is an appropriate contract.

Scenario 2: following the 2016 season Cousins is rated #15 QB in the league. Skins say "see, this is why we didn't give you $20 million." The possibility exists that someone is still willing to pay him and off he goes. The Skins start over.

I can see both sides. I love Cousins but he isn't fully proven. Of course the Skins had a top 10 QB last year for $600,000+ dollars. I thought the wise thing for both parties to sign him to a $44 million guaranteed contract. Didn't happen, now we wait and see what the ramifications are.

I will say this, how many years do you want your QB on a prove it deal? That is my reasoning for the guaranteed contract and also to show him you want him.

 

[Stymietee]

Please keep this in mind as you read my post. SM publicly stated this when the question related to KC's possible new contract...."We want him here, he wants to be here, but we are NOT going to overpay him!"

That is essentially the conundrum that's gotten us here, so let's not specifically talk about KC for a moment. If you were a GM and you had a player that had value to your team that was less than what the market dictated. What do you do? Hurt your team now and in future terms by "overpaying" or offer a "reasonable" contract based on your knowledge and evaluation of said player right now?

You also know that this potentially could hurt the team down the road if said player exceeds his current evaluated status, commands a kings ransom or bolts.

Back to Kirk, it seems to me that this team realizes that KC will perform well in this system, but it is a system designed around the supporting cast and not the QB, which ironically typified every SB team that this organization has ever had. It is also the reason why SM (and company) was very comfortable saying that he won't "overpay" him. Our GM is building a team with players that fits the system, Kirk fits, but he's not the ONLY one who will.

As cold hearted and businesslike as that sounds, it real....after all...I wanted a "real GM" from wayyy back, most here reluctantly got on board, now we have one...deal with it!

 

[ehb5]

didn’t say it wasn’t. is a professional golf tournament winner decided after 18 or 72 holes? is a baseball season division winner decided after 81 games or 162?…how about an NBA season after 42?

Why would it not be relevant to compare Foles hot streak or whatever you wana call it to Cousins'?

 

[skinsdad62]

well the 2016 season will answer a lot of questions

 

[Mitziman]

Why would it not be relevant to compare Foles hot streak or whatever you wana call it to Cousins'?

i just don't think its comparable that's all, just a difference of opinion. Again, I just think a QB that had more than 200 pass attempts is a huge difference.

 

[ehb5]

i just don't think its comparable that's all, just a difference of opinion. Again, I just think a QB that had more than 200 pass attempts is a huge difference.

Well agree to disagree. The stretches worth comparing were very similar in pass attempts.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Roster now at 90, 11th WR on the team now

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Mike Jones

I saw your tweet about Jimmy Clausen working out with the Redskins yesterday and you mentioned an “emergency board.” What exactly does an emergency board mean, and how does that work?

– Richard Eugene

The work of the general manager and his front office assistants don’t end at the conclusion of free agency and the draft. In addition to constantly evaluating their own roster, McCloughan and Alex Santos (director of pro personnel) are evaluating the roster of their opponents, and the comings and goings around the league. They have lists that feature other teams’ players they like at every position, so if a player gets cut, they can move quickly and pick him up. They also have lists that rank the top free agents at every position. This enables them to move quickly if a member of their roster gets hurt and they need a quick replacement.

Clausen is a quarterback that the team likes enough to have on the list so they can consider him in the case of an injury (keep in mind I said consider, not sign definitely), or if they need someone to come in on short notice to run a workout. In Monday’s case, team officials felt like they needed one more wide receiver, so they had invited a group of free agent receivers, and they needed someone to throw to those receivers. League rules prevent a team’s quarterbacks on the roster to throwing to workout players.

They’ll call up his agent, tell him their situation, that they have some receivers they need to work out, but also that they’d like to see where he is as a player and how his arm looks, and that they’d like to have him come perform for them. They set up and cover his travel arrangements and hotel accommodations for the visit. Based on how he does, the player either remains on the board, or gets knocked down the ranks further.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[skinsdad62]

crank up that diesel

 

[Sportster 72]

Loved Chief Zee

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Sharkinva]

Why would it not be relevant to compare Foles hot streak or whatever you wana call it to Cousins'?

Wasnt going to say this earlier. But here goes. By rather insisting that Cousins most likely comparison is Nick Foles, you are in a round about way saying you expect him to fail. And trust me, I know that game all too well, because four years ago my main comparison to our QB of the future at the time was one Mike Vick. And yes I stuck to that because I ultimately expected him to fail for similar reason to Vick.. as far as on field any way.

Also to say that there are not likely fans (yes even on this board) who ultimately hope Kirk fails would likely be a false assumption. A few posters have hinted at or come close to outright saying they thought it was a mistake to bench the previous QB, and some people seem to cling to that idea despite the outcome of the season and Kirks performance.

reality is, Kirk will probably level off to an average to slightly above average QB. But considering we are building a TEAM that can rely on the entire roster, instead of one that sinks or swims based on a single player.. that might not be a bad thing.

 

[ehb5]

Wasnt going to say this earlier. But here goes. By rather insisting that Cousins most likely comparison is Nick Foles, you are in a round about way saying you expect him to fail. And trust me, I know that game all too well, because four years ago my main comparison to our QB of the future at the time was one Mike Vick. And yes I stuck to that because I ultimately expected him to fail for similar reason to Vick.. as far as on field any way.

Also to say that there are not likely fans (yes even on this board) who ultimately hope Kirk fails would likely be a false assumption. A few posters have hinted at or come close to outright saying they thought it was a mistake to bench the previous QB, and some people seem to cling to that idea despite the outcome of the season and Kirks performance.

reality is, Kirk will probably level off to an average to slightly above average QB. But considering we are building a TEAM that can rely on the entire roster, instead of one that sinks or swims based on a single player.. that might not be a bad thing.

You've misinterpreted/misread me and my posts. I have never said Cousins most likely comparison is foles. I said you can not deny the similarity simply in their hot streaks simply because they both had sudden hot streaks of relatively similar size after not looking like great qbs for their careers up to that point. While I think because of what I just said we cannot rule out the possibility of Kirk being another foles I have never said nor do I believe that his most likely outcome is to be another nick foles.

As for the fans, im sure there are some but every fan base has home crazies. Why we feel we need to obsess over them is beyond me. As for fans on this board I'm not sure I see it. I know sty is not a big cousins believer and if I remember correctly he liked rg3 but I would never insinuate he was rooting against kirk unless I had real reason too. I'm not sure if you consider me a fan rooting for cousins to fail or not but I know in the past you've said that about me but I can't imagine why you would think so. It's so illogical. I've been rooting for this team all my life and they've never been good (in my life). Why the f would I root against my own qb? Especially one who I wanted to star all of last season. And one I wanted to bring back. Either you're just delusional or you're not reading what I actually write. As much as we may disagree I would never doubt yours or anybody else's fandom on this board without some serious reasons. Yours is all conjecture and frankly, insulting.

 

[Sharkinva]

@ehb5 Maybe I have misread you. But seriously when your first and strongest comparison of Cousins is Foles... what exactly would a rational person think except that you expect him to fail. When I point out that Cousins more than likely will be a slightly above average QB, much like the last three Super Bowl winning QBs we have had in DC, you basically called me crazy. And I dont doubt your fandom of the team. But I have made no secret that i do think there are fans who want and expect Cousins to fail.... and most of those fans feel that way because they were emotionally invested in the other guy.