Portis broke down the 2018 RB class this mornimg

[gkekoa]

I think they both flashed. That cincy oline was hot garbage so I don't know that you can really judge Mixon too harshly. He still has sky high potential.

So you don’t think our constantly injured OL was hot garbage? How can we not give Perine a chance then?

 

[ehb5]

So you don’t think our constantly injured OL was hot garbage? How can we not give Perine a chance then?

I think our constantly injured oline was still miles better than what they had. And that perine showed less than what Mixon did.

 

[gkekoa]

There were games where Mixon didn't get a lot of carries, but when he did he was pretty effective. Mack broke some long one's. Perine fumbled all over the place and couldn't get a yard when we needed him to. I really liked last year's RB class and we waited too long.

I like this class too. I hope we don't wait around again.

Joe Mixon had one 100 yard game and 8 games with over 15 carries and his longest rush was 25 yards. Joe Mixon had three fumbles and lost two.

Marlon Mack had a long rush of 35 yards. I question if he is capable of being an every down back but he did have the largest average. Marlon Mack had one fumble.

Perine had a long rush of 30 and he had two 100 yard games with 8 contests over 15 carries. He lost two fumbles on the season on two fumbles.


I think we need to be fair in judgement. Perine was every bit as good as Mixon last season. Perine was behind one of the worst lines in football. I can say that because we bitch about our depth and had I think it was 22 different line combinations.

 

[gkekoa]

I think our constantly injured oline was still miles better than what they had. And that perine showed less than what Mixon did.

Then I believe you are being extremely bias.

 

[ehb5]

Then I believe you are being extremely bias.

?? How? And to who? Am I secretly a die hard Joe Mixon fan?

You cant just make claims like that when you dont agree with what people say.

 

[ehb5]

Joe Mixon had one 100 yard game and 8 games with over 15 carries and his longest rush was 25 yards. Joe Mixon had three fumbles and lost two.

Marlon Mack had a long rush of 35 yards. I question if he is capable of being an every down back but he did have the largest average. Marlon Mack had one fumble.

Perine had a long rush of 30 and he had two 100 yard games with 8 contests over 15 carries. He lost two fumbles on the season on two fumbles.


I think we need to be fair in judgement. Perine was every bit as good as Mixon last season. Perine was behind one of the worst lines in football. I can say that because we bitch about our depth and had I think it was 22 different line combinations.

That 2 fumble stat does NOT paint an accurate picture of Perines ball security last season. There were several instances of fumbles just after the whistle, blatant drops, and botched handoffs that were charged to Cousins. By the end of the year I was on the edge of my seat every time Perine touched the ball.

 

[Sportster 72]

I think our constantly injured oline was still miles better than what they had. And that perine showed less than what Mixon did.

Mixon - 626 yards 3.5 ypc average
Perine - 603 yards 3.4 ypc average

Looks like a wash to me after one year.

 

[ehb5]

Mixon - 626 yards 3.5 ypc average
Perine - 603 yards 3.4 ypc average

Looks like a wash to me after one year.

On the surface maybe.

 

[gkekoa]

?? How? And to who? Am I secretly a die hard Joe Mixon fan?

You cant just make claims like that when you dont agree with what people say.

I am not making claims because you said it. I am making claims refuting what you have said when the facts just don’t support the statement.

You mentioned fumbles and ball security. I showed Mixon had more fumbles on a handful of carries more.

You mentioned breaking big runs. I showed Perine broke a longer run than Mixon.

You mentioned Mixon doing well with more carries. I showed Perine did just as much with more carries.

You used the excuse of a poor OL. I showed evidence that would support our OL was worse.

The truth is we have no idea if Perine or Mixon can or will be good. There is just no evidence to say we messed up not taking Mixon at this point.

The only way to make the statement Mixon was more impressive than Perine is personal bias. If I remember correctly, you were talking Mixon up big...I could be wrong. If so, there is definitely personal bias involved.

 

[gkekoa]

That 2 fumble stat does NOT paint an accurate picture of Perines ball security last season. There were several instances of fumbles just after the whistle, blatant drops, and botched handoffs that were charged to Cousins. By the end of the year I was on the edge of my seat every time Perine touched the ball.

The fumbles after the whistle happen to everybody, especially those who run like Perine. Also, most of those issues were early in the season and could be chalked up to truth is there is little difference in ball security between the two.

 

[ehb5]

I am not making claims because you said it. I am making claims refuting what you have said when the facts just don’t support the statement.

You mentioned fumbles and ball security. I showed Mixon had more fumbles on a handful of carries more.

You mentioned breaking big runs. I showed Perine broke a longer run than Mixon.

You mentioned Mixon doing well with more carries. I showed Perine did just as much with more carries.

You used the excuse of a poor OL. I showed evidence that would support our OL was worse.

The truth is we have no idea if Perine or Mixon can or will be good. There is just no evidence to say we messed up not taking Mixon at this point.

The only way to make the statement Mixon was more impressive than Perine is personal bias. If I remember correctly, you were talking Mixon up big...I could be wrong. If so, there is definitely personal bias involved.

Say what?

I didn't mention fumbles you did. I simply clarified what you said about fumbles since what you posted didn't accurately describe perines ball security.

I didn't mention long runs.

I didn't mention anything about number of carries.

I suggest you reread what I have said.

The poor OL is true. Cincy was atrocious. To suggest we were worse is laughable even considering our injuries.

I agree there is no evidence to say we messed up not taking Mixon. Ive also ya know... never said we did mess up by taking him sooooo.....

That said if you watched them play last year Mixon was definitely more promising and was a far better prospect coming out.

Also...I was a perine fan out of college... my personal bias should be that he's good... yet here I am saying he was bad because I'm actually capable of being objective.

 

[gkekoa]

Say what?

I didn't mention fumbles you did. I simply clarified what you said about fumbles since what you posted didn't accurately describe perines ball security.

I didn't mention long runs.

I didn't mention anything about number of carries.

I suggest you reread what I have said.

The poor OL is true. Cincy was atrocious. To suggest we were worse is laughable even considering our injuries.

I agree there is no evidence to say we messed up not taking Mixon. Ive also ya know... never said we did mess up by taking him sooooo.....

That said if you watched them play last year Mixon was definitely more promising and was a far better prospect coming out.

Also...I was a perine fan out of college... my personal bias should be that he's good... yet here I am saying he was bad because I'm actually capable of being objective.

I stand corrected. It was KBSO who mentioned fumbles and long runs.

How is it laughable no our OL of grocery baggers was worse than Cincinattis?

I will still say Perine showed as much as Mixon. The only reason to suggest different is bias. Where the bias comes from is disputable.

 

[ehb5]

I stand corrected. It was KBSO who mentioned fumbles and long runs.

How is it laughable no our OL of grocery baggers was worse than Cincinattis?

I will still say Perine showed as much as Mixon. The only reason to suggest different is bias. Where the bias comes from is disputable.

We got a combined 40 starts from TW, Scherff, and Moses. Even hobbled, those 3 are miles better than ANY olman cincy had last year. Those 2 lines were not even close.

Mixon had more total yards with a worse ol. If you think that makes me biased to say Mixon showed more I think that tells me everything I need to know.

 

[skinsdad62]

I hear what you are saying on Ballage. With his size and speed you would think he'd be getting mocked higher. He has risen up the mocks though. Portis made a comment about how he wasn't in there on every down. Maybe pass pro is a weakness.

pass pro is one of his biggest assets , best blocker coming out by far

 

[gkekoa]

We got a combined 40 starts from TW, Scherff, and Moses. Even hobbled, those 3 are miles better than ANY olman cincy had last year. Those 2 lines were not even close.

Mixon had more total yards with a worse ol. If you think that makes me biased to say Mixon showed more I think that tells me everything I need to know.

Combined 40 starts from 3/5 of the line. There are 80 combined starts for an OL. That is nothing and 3/5does not make an OL. Also consider Trent, Scherff, and Moses were all extremely hobbled for most of the season and it makes your assertion laughable.

Mixon had more total yards with what is in your biased opinion a worse OL. Mixon showed as much or as little as Perine.

 

[Sportster 72]

We got a combined 40 starts from TW, Scherff, and Moses. Even hobbled, those 3 are miles better than ANY olman cincy had last year. Those 2 lines were not even close.

Mixon had more total yards with a worse ol. If you think that makes me biased to say Mixon showed more I think that tells me everything I need to know.

My argument would be you, me any of us know nothing after their first year. Maybe you are right in the long run. I like that you said he had more total yards .... he averaged 1.2 inches per carry more than Perine.

 

[kbso83432]

Joe Mixon had one 100 yard game and 8 games with over 15 carries and his longest rush was 25 yards. Joe Mixon had three fumbles and lost two.

Marlon Mack had a long rush of 35 yards. I question if he is capable of being an every down back but he did have the largest average. Marlon Mack had one fumble.

Perine had a long rush of 30 and he had two 100 yard games with 8 contests over 15 carries. He lost two fumbles on the season on two fumbles.


I think we need to be fair in judgement. Perine was every bit as good as Mixon last season. Perine was behind one of the worst lines in football. I can say that because we bitch about our depth and had I think it was 22 different line combinations.

I would trade Perine for Mixon yesterday. Id venture to say if we had traded up for Cook, which we could have easily done, drafted Mixon or Hunt, we.would not be on here talking RB at all. If we had drafted Mack, maybe, just maybe the offense wouldn't have completely stalled out once Thompson went down.

I've see the game logs, stats don't lie, so I'll give you that. I do think Mack had a few 20+ though. There is a reason Mixon was a 1st round pick until he lost it in that restaurant imo his upside is higher than Perine, and Cook looked dynamic before he went down. Maybe Mixon and Perine are a wash, but I'd take Mixon over Perine.

 

[gkekoa]

I would trade Perine for Mixon yesterday. Id venture to say if we had traded up for Cook, which we could have easily done, drafted Mixon or Hunt, we.would not be on here talking RB at all. If we had drafted Mack, maybe, just maybe the offense wouldn't have completely stalled out once Thompson went down.

I've see the game logs, stats don't lie, so I'll give you that. I do think Mack had a few 20+ though. There is a reason Mixon was a 1st round pick until he lost it in that restaurant imo his upside is higher than Perine, and Cook looked dynamic before he went down. Maybe Mixon and Perine are a wash, but I'd take Mixon over Perine.

I think we all would trade Perine for Mixon...that was never the statement.

What would it have taken to trade up for Cook, who was injured most of the season?

I don’t think Mixon would have faired any better behind our line. He may have been given more opportunity though.

Hunt may not have been Hunt if he were here. After starting off incredible, he did cool down as the season progressed.

Mack is like Chris Thompson...and you can’t carry too many Thompson’s on a roster because you just don’t have the roster spots.


We also would have not gotten Anderson, which would mean we are weaker at OLB had we drafted these other RBs. So instead of talking RB in a loaded class, we would be talking about OLB in a weak class.

 

[kbso83432]

I hear ya, good points, but when you have Kerrigan and your #2 pick from the previous year already at OLB, what was the Anderson pick even about?

 

[kbso83432]

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Good back and forth gkekoa. Gave me some things to ponder. Just posting this in an effort to clean up my own house so people don't think I just make shit up. HTTR