politics thread

[Darrell Green Fan]

absolutely not , its about time we stood up to our allies and enemies .

Our allies are laughing at us because of our buffoon in office. I mean literally laughing at his behavior. He is killing our credibility with our allies and credibility with our allies is pretty important.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Wanna know why I'm harping on you? Because you represent the type of person that gives credence to those that claim that all the bitching about Trump is fake news. As I have said, this is a fake issue. You don't need to be beating him up over this as there are plenty of real issues he has. I have seen this sort of behavior in every president. But your hate is so deep that you don't care if the claims are valid or not or if any rights or laws are violated in going after him. That's what bothers me. Because if you are willing to violate his rights or use manufactured issues to bring him down, then you are also willing to violate my rights. And I have a real problem with that line of thinking.

I want to follow up my response by saying you are right, in the grand scheme of things this is pretty minor. But the only reason I keep harping on it is you keep coming back to me with excuse after excuse for this behavior so I was simply replying.

 

[gkekoa]

Our allies are laughing at us because of our buffoon in office. I mean literally laughing at his behavior. He is killing our credibility with our allies and credibility with our allies is pretty important.

How so? I am interested.

 

[gkekoa]

Do you honestly believe that there's no cost for the type of freedom that you speak of? Well...

Cost of National Security: Counting How Much the U.S ...
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Mar 19, 2018 · The costs of national security are wide-ranging. Depending on your point of view, national security could include everything from economic security to the costs of war. Our counters show the costs of the United States’ war on terrorism since September 11, 2001. Counters reflect costs estimated by the Costs of War project at Brown University.

Where did I define the liberty I am referring to?

What does the cost of liberty have to do with your statement of what the US is about?

 

[skinsdad62]

Our allies are laughing at us because of our buffoon in office. I mean literally laughing at his behavior. He is killing our credibility with our allies and credibility with our allies is pretty important.

and you are foolish , stop listening to the MSM

 

[gkekoa]

1. Let's check the facts about this broken system and the stupid fix.

Selling Insurance Across State Lines - FactCheck.org
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/selling-insurance-across-state-lines

Sorry, Trump: Selling Health Insurance Across State Lines ...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2016/10/10/sorry-trump-selling-health...

2. It isn't and couldn't be because there's a need to eliminate all detractors in the way of creating a state of the art U.S. program. (a hint at the actual answer to my question)

3. The government runs the military, national parks and a host of other programs very well.

5. Agreed... yet another hint at the answer to my question.

Wrong! Just the opposite as it would be the government clearing the way. However, you're getting closer to the true answer, keep trying as we wait for others to chime in.

1- It isnt a fact check to not find studies made with a claim. It is an opinion check I suppose. So...who did they ask about this? They asked big named insurers. Why would a big named insurer tell the truth at would would cost them money? Be honest...does competition ever cause increase in price or a decrease in quality?

2- if somebody else is paying for the care of others, it leads to rationing...and it should lead to rationing. It does back to value for our dollar. I am sorry, but other people should not be paying for a person to live for two more weeks in a hospital at a cost of 5 million dollars. It should be an option for an individual to pay for it.

3- the government spends a shit ton of money on each of these programs but they run them very poorly.

Far from wrong. I think you refuse to understand the word liberty.

 

[Stymietee]

We all know collusion isnt a crime but for 2 and a half years we've had to endure a constant rhetoric on this forum that Trump colluded with the Russians.. for 2 and a half F’ing years we’ve had to listen to it. Lie after lie after lie and now that Meuller says there was none we now turn to obstruction... that fails ..now its Barr is his boy and lied to clear Trump and when Meuller testifies and gives you nothing itll be because of something else. Just like old man river the BS keeps rolling along.. it just keeps rolling. So to say that skinsdad has been hoaxed or duped is a comedy clip all of its on. You seem to have an answer on your party's behalf for everything. You just reach down and pull something different each day outta your ass and spread your shit on the table for everyone to eat. You’re just another Trump hater who believes whatever your media of choice tells ya too. If the next democratic president wants a wall you then sir would support it along with your fake party. A puppet in wise mans clothing. Peace.

Oh no brother, don't back out of it now! You specifically charged me with doing this when in fact the game that was played on gullible minds took the bait, hook line and sinker. Two years ago this president who has the bully pulpit injected into the atmosphere all of that nonsense about collusion. The press continued to replay his insistence that "There's no collusion!" until it became in fact a talking point with one obvious conclusion. I said this at the beginning and I'll continue to say it. Stop buying into the dumb shit that this president puts into the air. He's a con artist and clearly this sort of thing proves exactly that!

So if you want to charge me with doing something. you'd better come with more than you had to listen to it for two and a half years when you clearly had a choice, especially one that I repeatedly offered on this forum. It is interesting that as a charged "Trump hater" both the game that he's played on you and a lot of other people in this country has been proven true in the end. So let me clear this all up for anyone who's still not clear about what he's done too you.

There was no collusion from the beginning, Trump knew it and so did I, therefore there couldn't possibly be a finding of any sort of collusion by any investigation of the same because there would and could never be an investigation of something that doesn't exist in law. Yet he kept repeating it because fools bought it...got it?

BTW: The Mueller report specifically states that there was never any investigation into collusion singularly. Now conspiracy, which the president NEVER mentions was reported to have occurred nearly 200 times and obstruction of justice which were outlined 10 times by my count and 11 by others are all in his report.

 

[Stymietee]

exactly what happened to trump

So you agree, if it wasn't "spying" when it happened to "others" then it sure as hell isn't spying now! Thanks for your support!

 

[Stymietee]

1- It isnt a fact check to not find studies made with a claim. It is an opinion check I suppose. So...who did they ask about this? They asked big named insurers. Why would a big named insurer tell the truth at would would cost them money? Be honest...does competition ever cause increase in price or a decrease in quality?

2- if somebody else is paying for the care of others, it leads to rationing...and it should lead to rationing. It does back to value for our dollar. I am sorry, but other people should not be paying for a person to live for two more weeks in a hospital at a cost of 5 million dollars. It should be an option for an individual to pay for it.

3- the government spends a shit ton of money on each of these programs but they run them very poorly.

Far from wrong. I think you refuse to understand the word liberty.

1. Sweet, in fact it's a terrific spin Please take note that when "big name insurers" respond to this sort of questioning with answers that they ultimately, in fact do, then it's no longer an opinion.

2. Everybody, including you pays for someone else's care right now, (I get it you used "should") that however, is the reality of the current lack of a comprehensive nationalized plan that works for everyone.

3. Do we or don't we have the greatest military force in human history? How poorly has it been run?

Absolutely off base, I think that you refuse to take note of how liberty is applied! (Wow, I'm really good at giving out clues. It might be helpful to take note of this one)

 

[Stymietee]

Because a government doesn't know how to produce healthy people. They can only manage rising costs by price fixing and removing innovation in the market.

Look it up, our elders over 80 are healthier than our children under 10.

I appreciate your input, but that's not the answer either. Don't give up though there's still time to get there.

I'm almost 66, and people tell me all of the time that I don't look my age, whatever that look happens to be. You're right though, there are tons (Freudian slip) of younger people who are out of shape or in the wrong kind of shape. (round is also a shape) In fact I posted an article that outlined the national security implications connected to this some pages back.

 

[Stymietee]

Where did I define the liberty I am referring to?

What does the cost of liberty have to do with your statement of what the US is about?

This is why your answer to my question was wrong. I don't think that you get it yet but there are ONLY two of you responding at the moment, so I'll wait a bit before I reveal the correct answer.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

How so? I am interested.

At the United Nations General Assembly in September, when Trump said, as he had many times before to friendlier audiences, that “in less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country,” the delegates in the room erupted in guffaws. “Didn’t expect that reaction,” the president said, “but that’s okay.”

The World Isn’t Laughing at Just Trump

Donald Trump made himself a laughing stock again at the 43rd G7 Summit in Brussels. Apparently Trump is unfamiliar with what the North Atlantic Treaty Organization really is. Trump had our allies smiling, and snickering during his speech.

NATO Allies Caught On Camera Laughing At Trump During His Speech (VIDEO)



Heather Conley, senior vice president and director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told the Times that Trump has ushered in “a breakdown of the system”.

"It feels like we are treating our allies with contempt, while we are feting our adversaries."

"After a year and a half, I think most of the major allies have concluded that, to be honest with you, there really isn’t a relationship that they can build,” Conley added. “Or they can build it, like President Macron has, but it does not necessarily mean that there is going to be outcomes that ... support the national interests of our European and Canadian allies."

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintel...s-now-respected-again-C_J2den7_0SOngEuEhR54Q/

Perhaps the most telling demonstration of the depths of Trump's ignorance was the reactions of other world leaders as he spoke.

Several presidents and prime ministers were visible on camera, muttering, staring at each other, stupefied by what Trump was saying

Watch our allies laugh and whisper as Trump reveals he still has no idea how NATO works

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

and you are foolish , stop listening to the MSM

I posted a link, we have all seen the video of Trump making claims at the G7 Summit that resulted in laughter and snickers that Trump acknowledged with the "didn't expect that" response. LOL at the MSM crutch you always trot out whenever Trump is criticized.

 

[Stymietee]

At the United Nations General Assembly in September, when Trump said, as he had many times before to friendlier audiences, that “in less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country,” the delegates in the room erupted in guffaws. “Didn’t expect that reaction,” the president said, “but that’s okay.”

The World Isn’t Laughing at Just Trump

Donald Trump made himself a laughing stock again at the 43rd G7 Summit in Brussels. Apparently Trump is unfamiliar with what the North Atlantic Treaty Organization really is. Trump had our allies smiling, and snickering during his speech.

NATO Allies Caught On Camera Laughing At Trump During His Speech (VIDEO)



Heather Conley, senior vice president and director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told the Times that Trump has ushered in “a breakdown of the system”.

"It feels like we are treating our allies with contempt, while we are feting our adversaries."

"After a year and a half, I think most of the major allies have concluded that, to be honest with you, there really isn’t a relationship that they can build,” Conley added. “Or they can build it, like President Macron has, but it does not necessarily mean that there is going to be outcomes that ... support the national interests of our European and Canadian allies."

US Allies Are Laughing At Trump’s Claim That America Is Now ‘Respected Again’ - The Intellectualist

Perhaps the most telling demonstration of the depths of Trump's ignorance was the reactions of other world leaders as he spoke.

Several presidents and prime ministers were visible on camera, muttering, staring at each other, stupefied by what Trump was saying

Watch our allies laugh and whisper as Trump reveals he still has no idea how NATO works

The notion that there are still people who don't understand or refuse to acknowledge that this dude is unfit for office, says a lot about his continued support and more about his supporters. (I think that there are a few here who call it "Trump hating.")

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The notion that there are still people who don't understand or refuse to acknowledge that this dude is unfit for office, says a lot about his continued support and more about his supporters. (I think that there are a few here who call it "Trump hating.")

As I keep saying I understand the support. American first, job creation, tough in illegals. Who can argue with these policies? But the defense of the guy at every single turn, as if the world's out to get him and all of the criticism is fake news, is just nonsense. There is a reason they are referred to as The Cult as this is classic cult behavior.

He was right, he could shoot a man and retain their support. That pretty much says it all with regard to his supporters.

 

[Sharkinva]

As I keep saying I understand the support. American first, job creation, tough in illegals. Who can argue with these policies? But the defense of the guy at every single turn, as if the world's out to get him and all of the criticism is fake news, is just nonsense. There is a reason they are referred to as The Cult as this is classic cult behavior.

He was right, he could shoot a man and retain their support. That pretty much says it all with regard to his supporters.

The sad part is, I think he could shoot someone and it would actually increase how much some of these folks support him as long as he shot the right person.

 

[j_y19]

You have just explained in a few short sentences what people actual problem with Trump and his agenda are even though i know you did not intend to. If he can declare entire populations as a threat to the nation. If he can declare people of the LGBTQ community as unfit to serve in our military, or the press that doesnt favor his opinion as enemy of the people. Whats to stop him from declaring single moms, black people or left handed plumbers as the next group of undesirables. What other laws that he simply doesnt like, is he willing to ignore or tell people to violate and when does that affect those of us who are not on his shit list now, but will never be a part of his designated worthy peoples list??

And if he does these things, it just adds to the problems I have with him. But as yet he hasn't.

 

[Sharkinva]

And if he does these things, it just adds to the problems I have with him. But as yet he hasn't.

Actually he has done some of those things already.

 

[j_y19]

I want to follow up my response by saying you are right, in the grand scheme of things this is pretty minor. But the only reason I keep harping on it is you keep coming back to me with excuse after excuse for this behavior so I was simply replying.

Fair enough. I'll drop it.

 

[j_y19]

Actually he has done some of those things already.

Which ones?