Players I Do Want to Draft

[Tubbs1518]

Good point. Dominique Easly and Paul Richardson sure tore up the NFL this past season.... Glad they could fill holes.

Well Richardson was a 2nd rounder who played, but was over drafted and WR was a huge need for SEA, they just picked the wrong one. Easily also filled a need but was coming off an ACL injury. So yes they both fit needs, but didn't make big impacts. That doesn't really make your point.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The problem is that the value may not be there for guys who can play LT. Flowers, who I don't like at all, is a RT. Scherff is a G. Collins is probably gone ready. The best option is probably Clemmings, who needs time to learn, but does have LT ability, though he played RT in college.

I am perfectly fine with Flowers, because you put him at RT and resign Whitworth to a new 3 year deal. OT is still solid as hell.

I mean we drafted Tits 6th overall and completely intended on making him a RT the whole time. So at 21, I don't think RT is too early to take a good one.

Would love to see Hill run between Flowers and Zeitler for the next 5 years.

 

[vancelot23]

You gotta have somebody who can pass protect though. Smith is decent, but not great. Flowers is worse than Andre. Whit is the next one who needs replaced. We need a LT prospect. It ain't Flowers.

 

[cincygrad]

Well Richardson was a 2nd rounder who played, but was over drafted and WR was a huge need for SEA, they just picked the wrong one. Easily also filled a need but was coming off an ACL injury. So yes they both fit needs, but didn't make big impacts. That doesn't really make your point.

I'm not the one that brought up Seattle and New England. You did. I just looked up the bums they selected first last year.

My point isn't hard to understand. Drafting for this years needs is short sited -- Particularly when you factor in the amount our first rounders have contributed under Marvin. We have two tackles in contract years on the wrong side of 30. It's a major need whether you kick and scream about it or not.

 

[DanBengalfan]

VANCE IS ALIVE!!!

HOLY SHIT!!!

 

[Cincyfan78]

VANCE IS ALIVE!!!

HOLY SHIT!!!

This was my first thought as well...LOL

 

[DanBengalfan]

put the weed away, quick!

 

[alf8478]

Since the Bengals have no plans to actually play their first round pick and because half the roster including the coach is on the last year of their contracts, they're best move should be to trade #21 for a first rounder next year if the can

 

[cincygrad]

Since the Bengals have no plans to actually play their first round pick and because half the roster including the coach is on the last year of their contracts, they're best move should be to trade #21 for a first rounder next year if the can

Good strategy -- Let's go for the top pick as well.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I'm not the one that brought up Seattle and New England. You did. I just looked up the bums they selected first last year.

My point isn't hard to understand. Drafting for this years needs is short sited -- Particularly when you factor in the amount our first rounders have contributed under Marvin. We have two tackles in contract years on the wrong side of 30. It's a major need whether you kick and scream about it or not.

Except it isn't really but continue on.

 

[cincygrad]

Except it isn't really but continue on.

You continue to say it isn't without making an argument. Why not make an argument?

My argument is that Whitworth is getting old, Tits age plus durability is a concern and both are in the last year of their deals with very little in the way of depth. That spells out need.

 

[Tubbs1518]

You continue to say it isn't without making an argument. Why not make an argument?

My argument is that Whitworth is getting old, Tits age plus durability is a concern and both are in the last year of their deals with very little in the way of depth. That spells out need.

I've spelled it out multiple times. We have 2 starting OT's, 2 guys at depth, Whit is still playing spectacularly, Smith is by all accounts in great shape, we have bigger needs, I don't think OT is as important as other positions we need, so no I don't think we need one in the first round. How many legit LT prospects are their in this draft? 3 maybe? Two of those are raw and have huge holes and the other some people believe might be best suited at OG or RT. I don't see the value for LT or a need.

 

[cincygrad]

Andre Smith has played 16 games twice in his entire career. Hobson's puff pieces about his 'workout regime' don't mean shit.

His backup was a guy that nobody wanted until we signed him off the street in October. And there are some shitty lines in the NFL so that's saying something.

I don't want a tackle if the prospects in this draft aren't good enough (I know nothing about them) -- I just don't want to pass on one that is good because we needed a tweener linebacker for Marvin to fuck up.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

You continue to say it isn't without making an argument. Why not make an argument?

My argument is that Whitworth is getting old, Tits age plus durability is a concern and both are in the last year of their deals with very little in the way of depth. That spells out need.

I am with you 100%, as I have been preaching the same thing. I have no issue with the Bengals going in another direction as long as they have a plan for their Tackle situation next year and they do not reach. However, I still think if you are going to spend a first round pick on any position, it should be on OL, DL or QB.

If you read Geoff Hobson's report on Tits though from the off season, I guess Tits is a superhero. He is fast as lightning, strong as a locomotive, agile as a cat and healthy as an ox. We should all be prepared for the Bengals to spend 150 million on Tits next off season.

 

[cincygrad]

I am with you 100%, as I have been preaching the same thing. I have no issue with the Bengals going in another direction as long as they have a plan for their Tackle situation next year and they do not reach. However, I still think if you are going to spend a first round pick on any position, it should be on OL, DL or QB.

If you read Geoff Hobson's report on Tits though from the off season, I guess Tits is a superhero. He is fast as lightning, strong as a locomotive, agile as a cat and healthy as an ox. We should all be prepared for the Bengals to spend 150 million on Tits next off season.

I remember the stories about the Roadgrader Otis Hudson.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

You continue to say it isn't without making an argument. Why not make an argument?

My argument is that Whitworth is getting old, Tits age plus durability is a concern and both are in the last year of their deals with very little in the way of depth. That spells out need.

Tubbs just doesn't want the Bengals to draft an OL. We all have our opinions and desires. Doesn't matter what any of us WANT or think however. Marv and Mikey will do what they want.

OL is always a need. This is the NFL. You build a team on the lines. We have a limp dick for a QB, so for the Bengals, building the lines is especially important. I will always be okay with drafting OL with premium picks.

This thought process of drafting for immediate need, when it comes to the Bengals, is absurd to begin with. We never, NEVER play our top draft picks. Unless it's AJ Green or Dalton out of necessity. Whoever we draft will be wearing a ball cap on the sidelines, or running down field for kickoffs in 2015. Might as well make a pick that makes sense for the not so distant future.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I remember the stories about the Roadgrader Otis Hudson.

*shakes head at Hobson's fluff pieces*

I mean seriously, Hobson makes every player we grab, including college free agents sound like the next great HOF'er. I don't listen to shit Hobson says anymore.

He is also trying on a new fluff piece for Dalton this off season to give people hope one more year with that turd Dalton at QB. I don't care how many instructional courses Dalton takes and who they are with, none of that simulates a game with real DL coming to kill you, your pocket collapsing and your WR running a crossing route at 4.3 speed with a CB tailing 2 feet away. QB is all about instincts and accuracy under pressure. Dalton has neither.

Geoff, you can stop with the stupid bull shit please.

 

[Cincyfan78]

You can't ever have enough good linemen.

Like pitching in baseball...you never have enough depth.

Everything a team does on offense or defense starts with line play, IMO.

If the best rated player on the board is a tackle...then so be it. That's fine. If it's not, and there's not one there worth that spot, and they draft the guy they have rated higher, then that is fine. Drafting (or not drafting) an OL in the 1st round is not going to make or break this team.

Now, if we want to talk about the QB...well....

 

[alf8478]

We need a center more than a tackle

 

[cincygrad]

We need a center more than a tackle

It's sort of surprising how little this gets discussed..... I figure it's because we've had so many shitty centers that people are just happy to go with a young guy that has some promise. Bodine was a rookie so we have to cut him a break, but there's no guarantee that he doesn't suck.