Players I Do Want to Draft

[CrashDavisSports]

All I have to say is this....since we started drafting for value versus need, our roster has improved considerably. Not saying it is an overall great roster, but the quality of players are much better (than in the past). The depth at certain areas are very good, and now that we are letting Newman walk, Hall is on his final year if he doesn't get cut (he won't), and Jones has had a tendency to get burnt once in while, drafting for value versus depth has certainly helped solidify the CB position on the team (in a passing league).

I am excited to see how Kirkpatrick, Dennard and Jones do for a full season, along with Nelson and a much improved Iloka.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

No argument that the roster is better than it was. However, they had nowhere to go but up considering how piss poor things were before about 2009. I hope Dennard turns into a stud. I liked him coming out of college. However, drafting for value has been a gift and a curse. For every good "value" pick the Bengals have made, there have been several who never amounted to anything.

The problem with the best player available approach is that sometimes a gaping hole on a playoff contending roster has been left unaddressed in favor of depth at a stronger position. This isn't the Seattle Seahawks roster, or the Patriots were there aren't many holes and can thus afford to stockpile depth via the draft. The Bengals have some serious issues at key positions on both sides of the ball. We will see if they address them in a couple weeks. If Hobs is to be believed, and FA was any indicator, I'm not expecting much.

 

[vancelot23]

Value is all relative. JaMarcus Russell had value to the Raiders scouts, supposed professionals. Every evaluator, whether "professional" or not, has certain things they use to determine a player's worth. Sometimes you're right. Sometimes you're not.

 

[futballiscool]

Value is all relative. JaMarcus Russell had value to the Raiders scouts, supposed professionals. Every evaluator, whether "professional" or not, has certain things they use to determine a player's worth. Sometimes you're right. Sometimes you're not.

Brian Billick has said that the Ravens gave Russell the best draft grade during his entire tenure as coach there. So basically the best GM gave his highest grade to the biggest bust in NFL history. That shows what a crapshoot the draft can be at time. Russell's physical talent and off the field issues makes him a bit of an outlier though.

 

[vancelot23]

He is, but you're right. It's a crap shoot. Every year, there are several first rounders that don't pan out.

 

[Tubbs1518]

No argument that the roster is better than it was. However, they had nowhere to go but up considering how piss poor things were before about 2009. I hope Dennard turns into a stud. I liked him coming out of college. However, drafting for value has been a gift and a curse. For every good "value" pick the Bengals have made, there have been several who never amounted to anything.

The problem with the best player available approach is that sometimes a gaping hole on a playoff contending roster has been left unaddressed in favor of depth at a stronger position. This isn't the Seattle Seahawks roster, or the Patriots were there aren't many holes and can thus afford to stockpile depth via the draft. The Bengals have some serious issues at key positions on both sides of the ball. We will see if they address them in a couple weeks. If Hobs is to be believed, and FA was any indicator, I'm not expecting much.

And also lets not act like Seattle of NE goes for BPA and not need early. Does anyone believe Bruce Irvin was rated as the BPA by anyone when Seattle took him? Seattle and NE often draft for need early and they seem fine.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

And also lets not act like Seattle of NE goes for BPA and not need early. Does anyone believe Bruce Irvin was rated as the BPA by anyone when Seattle took him? Seattle and NE often draft for need early and they seem fine.

Okay. However, the fact remains, you are not the GM of the Bengals, and the Bengals GM goes for BPA. So what you want, and the reality of the situation is totally different. Just the way it is, so you may as well wrap your head around it and move on.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Okay. However, the fact remains, you are not the GM of the Bengals, and the Bengals GM goes for BPA. So what you want, and the reality of the situation is totally different. Just the way it is, so you may as well wrap your head around it and move on.

Not nearly the point, but continue with your day.

 

[alf8478]

And also lets not act like Seattle of NE goes for BPA and not need early. Does anyone believe Bruce Irvin was rated as the BPA by anyone when Seattle took him? Seattle and NE often draft for need early and they seem fine.

Exactly. Seattle drafts the guys they want who fit their plans when they're on clock. Everyone laughs at them, and they are laughing all the way to back to back Super Bowls.

As for the Pats, it's kind of a myth that they draft well.

 

[futballiscool]

And also lets not act like Seattle of NE goes for BPA and not need early. Does anyone believe Bruce Irvin was rated as the BPA by anyone when Seattle took him? Seattle and NE often draft for need early and they seem fine.

I do. Seattle goes by their own scouting report and ignores consensus opinion. I really think they considered Irvin the best player left on the board. They were 7-9 the yr before they drafted him so they didn't have one position to fill

 

[Tubbs1518]

I do. Seattle goes by their own scouting report and ignores consensus opinion. I really think they considered Irvin the best player left on the board. They were 7-9 the yr before they drafted him so they didn't have one position to fill

I have no doubt he was the BPA at the position of need they wanted to fill. That is the way you should draft. Don't just draft a CB because he is the best player on your board when 2 players lower is a DT and you need one.

 

[cincygrad]

Why do people think we don't draft for need?

Our last 5 first rounders

Dennard -- Corner was a big need given the age of Newman and the health of Leon Hall after a 2nd achilles injury the season before his selection.

Eifiert -- This is the one pick where it wasn't a 'huge' need, but in a copycat league the Bengals really thought they could bring him in as an immediate weapon in a 2 tight end set.

Kirkpatrick -- Big need after Hall went down with an achilles and J-Joe had left the year before.

Zeitler -- Big need. Many thought we'd go Decastro because we needed interior linemen.

AJ Green -- Chad was on his way out.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

Why do people think we don't draft for need?

Our last 5 first rounders

Dennard -- Corner was a big need given the age of Newman and the health of Leon Hall after a 2nd achilles injury the season before his selection.

Eifiert -- This is the one pick where it wasn't a 'huge' need, but in a copycat league the Bengals really thought they could bring him in as an immediate weapon in a 2 tight end set.

Kirkpatrick -- Big need after Hall went down with an achilles and J-Joe had left the year before.

Zeitler -- Big need. Many thought we'd go Decastro because we needed interior linemen.

AJ Green -- Chad was on his way out.

Our biggest need is QB. We never address it. Lol I kid

I think it has more to do with the fact that we never draft an immediate starter or impact player in the 1st. AJ and Zeitler are the only ones on the list that started as rookies. The issue, at least for me, is more our philosophy of using 1st rounders on 5th string special teams guys. I don't recall having an issue with any of the players drafted the last 5 drafts. I would just like to have a 1st round pick who steps in and contributes from day one. We have enough holes that this shouldn't be blasphemous.

 

[futballiscool]

I have no doubt he was the BPA at the position of need they wanted to fill. That is the way you should draft. Don't just draft a CB because he is the best player on your board when 2 players lower is a DT and you need one.

A 7-9 team was reaching to fill a need at 4-3 OLB in the mid/early 1st rd? Teams reach for QBs or blindside tackles but to me that was a clear case of team who had a different grade on a player than the Mel Kiper/draft media community rather than a positional reach

 

[DanBengalfan]

ignore the experts and use your eyeballs and you'll do ok.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I have no doubt he was the BPA at the position of need they wanted to fill. That is the way you should draft. Don't just draft a CB because he is the best player on your board when 2 players lower is a DT and you need one.

Here's the thing though, we all have to remember to look at the roster with Bengal Glasses on.

This means, Dalton is a great QB, and Peko is a GREAT DT...there was no 'need' to draft a DT.

(We all agree Peko stinks, but when you put your Bengal Glasses on....)

The Bengals have done fairly well over the past, what, 5-6 years recently with drafting? Overall, they've done a solid job. Some guys don't start as soon as we, the fans, would like, or draft the position that we, the fans, think is needed, but that doesn't make the pick a bad one. That has more to do with the ineptness of the coaching and leadership of this team.

It's odd, but looking around the league and reading posts and articles, most people and teams feel the Bengals are a very solid drafting team.

 

[DanBengalfan]

cincyfan78 gets it.

... frickin' Bengals ...