Series Thread: Pirates @ Cards

[pixburgher66]

Yep. Frieri. How do you do this two nights in a row, Hurdle? How?

 

[element1286]

Predictable stupidity of having designated relievers for each inning and a designated closer. I'd like to think that if 2, 3, and 4 were coming up Clint would use Melancon, but I doubt it.

Can't think of anything dumber than putting a guy who has struggled with HR's, and is a flyball pitcher, on the mound when a HR wins the game.

 

[pixburgher66]

If you're a manager, and your goal is to win this game tonight, how does that suddenly become throwing in a broken former closer who got shelled his last outing into a tied game in the 9th? It's simply an inexcusable decision. It's certainly inexcusable two nights in a row, with your incredibly capable closer/reliever sitting in the bullpen. Hurdle is so incredibly obsessed with coaching by the book with pitchers. A closer is a closer, and they must be used only in save opportunities!

 

[element1286]

If you're a manager, and your goal is to win this game tonight, how does that suddenly become throwing in a broken former closer who got shelled his last outing into a tied game in the 9th? It's simply an inexcusable decision. It's certainly inexcusable two nights in a row, with your incredibly capable closer/reliever sitting in the bullpen. Hurdle is so incredibly obsessed with coaching by the book with pitchers. A closer is a closer, and they must be used only in save opportunities!

It's the majority of mangers in baseball, but no excuse for Clint, it was a stupid decision on many levels.

 

[sychmd]

8.5% this year, about league average for a starting pitcher.

but he throws 98-100 mph and was the #1 draft. either his methodology for attacking the batter is off or he is a very hittable 98. for being the 2nd hardest throwing SP, league ave for swing and miss isn't right.

 

[pixburgher66]

It's the majority of mangers in baseball, but no excuse for Clint, it was a stupid decision on many levels.

Outdated mentality that needs to freaking go. Use your best pitcher in the high leverage situations. I hate the "closer mentality" argument. It's crap. Go pitch. Just like suddenly playing no doubles D in the 9th. Why? Play the D that is most conducive to outs and keeping guys off the base paths. Preventing a double is just giving up a single and putting a guy on base. Obviously I digress, but it's maddening. There's zero precedent to put Frieri out there tonight. Given up 8 HRs in the 9th inning now. He's a flyball out pitcher. Just maddening.

 

[sychmd]

i thought when worley came out they would use pimentel and try and go 2-4 with him to save the pen for a lot of potential use this week.
but frier in the 9th, i thought hurdle said he would break him in with low leverage situations till he had a modicum of success then move forward from there. this was high leverage and haven't seen a modicum of even average yet.

 

[element1286]

but he throws 98-100 mph and was the #1 draft. either his methodology for attacking the batter is off or he is a very hittable 98. for being the 2nd hardest throwing SP, league ave for swing and miss isn't right.

He's 30th out of 104 starters with over 80IP in K/9, so he's getting a decent amount of k's. I don't sometimes guys just need more time to figure it all out. The original comparison was to Carlos Martinez, and at this point he is far superior to Martinez.

 

[pixburgher66]

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Ahh, there it is.

 

[element1286]

Outdated mentality that needs to freaking go. Use your best pitcher in the high leverage situations. I hate the "closer mentality" argument. It's crap. Go pitch. Just like suddenly playing no doubles D in the 9th. Why? Play the D that is most conducive to outs and keeping guys off the base paths. Preventing a double is just giving up a single and putting a guy on base. Obviously I digress, but it's maddening. There's zero precedent to put Frieri out there tonight. Given up 8 HRs in the 9th inning now. He's a flyball out pitcher. Just maddening.

Eh, preventing doubles makes sense, you're not worried about a big inning in the bottom of the 9th, you're worried about one run.

 

[pixburgher66]

i thought when worley came out they would use pimentel and try and go 2-4 with him to save the pen for a lot of potential use this week.
but frier in the 9th, i thought hurdle said he would break him in with low leverage situations till he had a modicum of success then move forward from there. this was high leverage and haven't seen a modicum of even average yet.

This confuses me too. I liked getting a guy like Frieri, I thought he was acquired to attempt to (pardon the pun) save. Fix him, low leverage situations, some extra coaching, fix some mechanics, help ease him back into it mentally...or you can put him in during the 9th inning of a tied game on the road vs. a division rival.

 

[pixburgher66]

Eh, preventing doubles makes sense, you're not worried about a big inning in the bottom of the 9th, you're worried about one run.

I understand the idea of preventing doubles, but the execution leads to more singles on what could've been outs. It's something that teams/managers need to evaluate with stats and look for success rates (which is probably hard to do). However, it's NOT hard to look at the use of your best pitchers in high leverage situations statistically.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[thedddd]

Nice to see Mercer starting to hit and really elimated the worry for now about SS.

 

[thedddd]

11 baserunners already for Cumpton so far he is getting lucky.

 

[Darkstone42]

Well, that could have gone better.

 

[TheBurgh88]

Well it looks like the Cards will be without Molina for most of the remainder of the season. Out 8-12 weeks. That's gotta hurt.

 

[thedddd]

Well it looks like the Cards will be without Molina for most of the remainder of the season. Out 8-12 weeks. That's gotta hurt.

Yeah lets hope the Bucs take advantage of the situation with the Brewers coming back to reality and Molina out.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[HammerDown]

Well it looks like the Cards will be without Molina for most of the remainder of the season. Out 8-12 weeks. That's gotta hurt.

Interesting. Ligament injury.