Pat Forde's realignment plan.

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I like your idea. I often thought about this within a conference in determining rotating games from the other division, but I really like your idea for FBS P5 Football. Not interested in the G5 mix though. EMU, CMU and WMU for ISU and Iowa every year? No thanks. Conferences are great and needed mostly for the Olympic sports and basketball, but I love the idea of all being Independent for Football. Maybe protect 4 Games for rivalry / geographical sake and have the other 8 games be totally random and determined like the NFL does. Something like that.

Alabama be scheduling like...

Mercer
Jacksonville St
UAB
Troy
Tulane
Vandy
LSU
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
Tennessee
South Alabama
Auburn






Nb4 Bama fans

Calm down, it's just a joke... I'm sure you wouldn't mind penciling in Arkansas here and there.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Alabama be scheduling like...

Mercer
Jacksonville St
UAB
Troy
Tulane
Vandy
LSU
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
Tennessee
South Alabama
Auburn






Nb4 Bama fans

Calm down, it's just a joke... I'm sure you wouldn't mind penciling in Arkansas here and there.

I know thats an exaggeration but its close to reality for some teams with his proposal

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

And I'd also be good with that plan with the 80 or so teams I mentioned.

You just add filler with the other almost 50 teams. They should be on another level.

I'd actually have way more interest in Toledo competing for a sub FBS title than watching them be mediocre in a league well above their means.

Start another division with the other 50 G5's and the top 25 or so FCS.

Then I'm interested.


Toledo in a 16 team playoff? Hell yes

Could make it like soccer, win a lower league move into an upper league. Come in the bottom of a league and drop to a lower league.

 

[78Cyclones]

Alabama be scheduling like...

Mercer
Jacksonville St
UAB
Troy
Tulane
Vandy
LSU
Georgia St
Georgia Southern
Tennessee
South Alabama
Auburn






Nb4 Bama fans

Calm down, it's just a joke... I'm sure you wouldn't mind penciling in Arkansas here and there.

I know you are joking, but that's not what I am talking about. 8 of the teams you mentioned would not even be in the mix. Let's say from your list that Alabama has Auburn, Tennessee, LSU and Vandy as their permanent 4. The other 8 games would be determined based on their ranking within their pod vs. the other teams in the other P5 pods. So, based on last year, they would be either #2 or #3 in their pod and draw the #2 or #3 from the other P5 pods (on a rotating basis to make the math work).

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I know you are joking, but that's not what I am talking about. 8 of the teams you mentioned would not even be in the mix. Let's say from your list that Alabama has Auburn, Tennessee, LSU and Vandy as their permanent 4. The other 8 games would be determined based on their ranking within their pod vs. the other teams in the other P5 pods. So, based on last year, they would be either #2 or #3 in their pod and draw the #2 or #3 from the other P5 pods (on a rotating basis to make the math work).

I get ya.

Read and watch post #22 or my real opinion.

 

[78Cyclones]

I know thats an exaggeration but its close to reality for some teams with his proposal

Not at all actually. I am talking about P5 only. 8 of those games are non-P5 and not even in the mix. I have zero interest in mandatory games vs. non P5 schools. 8 of the games would be determined randomly by P5 pod rankings from the previous season(2) (could be every two years to provide home and homes).

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

For fuck sake, like UGA is going to go from being in the SEC to playing in a conference with:

UCF, USF, FAU, FIU, GaState, GaSouthern, and school so obscure I don't recognize its logo (turns out its UAB, the fuck?)

But UGA will finally have a chance at winning the conference lol - I know UGA has won it recently. Just a joke I had to get out.

Honestly, just as bad as OP. He tries to jazz it up by allowing schools to offer pussy to recruits, but is still bullshit.

What do you not like with that alignment and scheduling?

 

[Olyduck]

I like the idea of a PAC north and south conferences and with boise being in there, but let me ask some questions and/or give some critiques - maybe you can inform me on the reasoning... I am thinking mostly in geographical terms.

PAC North
Hawaii in the north? They are more southern than San Diego St.
No San Jose State?


PAC South
What's with Texas Tech?
No New Mexico St?

Upper Midwest
Perhaps I am looking at this from too much of a geographical perspective, but NDSU and no bowling green?

Midwest
Seems awkward that WKU, MTSU, and Memphis are in - but they are further away than arkansas, arkansas st, okie schools.

Mac
I think Louisville throws it out a bit - maybe sustitute with Marshall. Then it will have all of michigan, the rest of ohio, all of west virginia, and pitt lol.

North Atlantic
Marshall, but no Buffalo or Temple or Navy?

Mid Atlantic
What the hell is Temple and Navy doing there? lol
Vandy also seems way out of the way lol.
Also dividing up all the north carolina schools when they are so close together seems odd.

Atlantic South
Charlotte but no Georgia St?
All the florida schools but not fsu?

Sun Belt
Georgia St but no Troy? Troy is actually pretty decent G5 squad.

Southwestern
No Louisiana lafayette, UTEP, UTSA, Texas St?



I respect your opinion and what you put into this, but I am curious about how you came to this.

The first post Forde the guy who originally gave his new set up said 11 schools moved down including San Jose State, Bowling Green, New Mexico State among others. as well as moving North Dakota State up. i kept his teams that he suggested. that probably answers most of your questions.

some of the decisions like splitting the carolina schools, was done for competitiveness. I tried to make each have some of the top and middle tier teams from both P5 and G5. who is your power team with the 4 North Carolina schools with Kentucky Vandy and Tenn? and even if you count Tenn alone who challenges? I felt with Tenn and South Carolina and Kentucky on occasion Clemson has something of a challenge on a semi regular basis

 

[78Cyclones]

So, a quick look using P5 Divisional Standings from last year for a two year home and home with the other Divisions / Big Xii:

Alabama permanent 4 of LSU, Auburn, Tennessee and Vanderbilt + the following 8 teams based on Alabama being #2 in the SEC West vs. #2 in the other divisions / Big Xii:

@ LSU
Auburn
@ Tennessee
Vanderbilt
@ Louisville (#2 in ACC Atlantic)
Virginia Tech (#2 in ACC Coastal)
Penn State (#2 in B1G East)
@ Minnesota (#2 in B1G West)
@ Washington (#2 in Pac North)
USC (#2 in Pac South)
@ Baylor (Big Xii #2)
Florida (#2 in SEC East)

That is what I am talking about!

 

[Olyduck]

Take the 64 power 5 and add 16 of the best G5

make four super conferences split into 2 ten team divisions each. One OOC and two cross division games and a conf champ game. The winners of the conf champ games get home field for first round of playoffs the losers play road games against a non conf opponent.

Reduce the amount of players allowed to travel for road games and make the divisions geographically sensible.

Probably eliminate the ACC and have them absorbed into the BIG and SEC mostly

P5 is considered at 65 with Notre Dame. so you are looking a really 8 conferences with 10 teams each. in theory each would have 8 P5 teams in each with 1 conference with 9. and you would only add 15 to make that a round 80 teams.
what 15 would you pick? UCF, Boise, BYU seem like obvious picks but who else?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

P5 is considered at 65 with Notre Dame. so you are looking a really 8 conferences with 10 teams each. in theory each would have 8 P5 teams in each with 1 conference with 9. and you would only add 15 to make that a round 80 teams.
what 15 would you pick? UCF, Boise, BYU seem like obvious picks but who else?

Would have to look

But I think the relegation model would be awesome if you went bottom 8 in FBS and then top 8 in lower division.

I know it's somewhat unstable for college but I think it's an idea for sure

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

So, a quick look using P5 Divisional Standings from last year for a two year home and home with the other Divisions / Big Xii:

Alabama permanent 4 of LSU, Auburn, Tennessee and Vanderbilt + the following 8 teams based on Alabama being #2 in the SEC West vs. #2 in the other divisions / Big Xii:

@ LSU
Auburn
@ Tennessee
Vanderbilt
@ Louisville (#2 in ACC Atlantic)
Virginia Tech (#2 in ACC Coastal)
Penn State (#2 in B1G East)
@ Minnesota (#2 in B1G West)
@ Washington (#2 in Pac North)
USC (#2 in Pac South)
@ Baylor (Big Xii #2)
Florida (#2 in SEC East)

That is what I am talking about!

I am missing something. Granted, I have not gone back and reread...

Have conferences, but don't schedule by conference... so how can you finish as #2 in order to schedule all other number twos if you aren't playing a full conference schedule in the first place?

 

[78Cyclones]

I am missing something. Granted, I have not gone back and reread...

Have conferences, but don't schedule by conference... so how can you finish as #2 in order to schedule all other number twos if you aren't playing a full conference schedule in the first place?

I simply used last year's standings as an example of scheduling randomly. Point is that I am for having a few permanent teams (to keep the most important rivalries), pods with the other games being determined based on standings from the past year or two years with P5 teams only. Remember, they are all Independents now for football's sake. Turns out the current setup works for the scheduling but not determining pod winners (different issue). There is a math issue that needs to be addressed for future setup.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

The first post Forde the guy who originally gave his new set up said 11 schools moved down including San Jose State, Bowling Green, New Mexico State among others. as well as moving North Dakota State up. i kept his teams that he suggested. that probably answers most of your questions.

Ahh. Gotcha.

some of the decisions like splitting the carolina schools, was done for competitiveness. I tried to make each have some of the top and middle tier teams from both P5 and G5. who is your power team with the 4 North Carolina schools with Kentucky Vandy and Tenn? and even if you count Tenn alone who challenges? I felt with Tenn and South Carolina and Kentucky on occasion Clemson has something of a challenge on a semi regular basis

Well as I showed in my conference make up, I wouldn't have it that way. I was just curious on how you came to yours. Mine is basically a role back to how conferences were 30 years ago with a few changes both competitively and geographically considered. I have the other conferences made up as well, essentially the G5 which I have been flirting with either keeping at the 10 or growing them to 14 and simply having them with autobids as well (all conference champs are autobids). I would grow the CFP to 16 teams also.


But as I mentioned in another post, I think it would be interesting to have a tiered system with no crossover in which the winner (first place/champ) of a lower tier moves up to play big dogs and the loser of a high tier (last place) drops below - though I don't know how that would work with conferences. A friend that watches soccer mentioned it to me and I thought it was a neat idea - just not sure how to incorporate that with conferences.

 

[Olyduck]

Would have to look

But I think the relegation model would be awesome if you went bottom 8 in FBS and then top 8 in lower division.

I know it's somewhat unstable for college but I think it's an idea for sure

I think you mean p5 relegating with G5. Not lower division. Unless you also mean g5 teams to FCS? A relegation could only work if you had paired regions. Otherwise teams could shift too much.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I simply used last year's standings as an example of scheduling randomly. Point is that I am for having a few permanent teams (to keep the most important rivalries), pods with the other games being determined based on standings from the past year or two years with P5 teams only. Remember, they are all Independents now for football's sake. Turns out the current setup works for the scheduling but not determining pod winners (different issue). There is a math issue that needs to be addressed for future setup.

Ok, I am super dumb, but I am still not getting it lol.

A) what do you mean by "pods"? Just those selected permanent games = pods? Permanently On Da Schedule lol

B) You were scheduling based on the standings of the year prior, much like the scheduling in the video I shared which I love that idea. 1s vs 1vs, 2s vs 2s and so on. Say #10 in the conference beat the 2 or 3 other #10s from the noncon on their schedule and their conference games, they would then be slated to play 2 or 3 #1s next season in their noncon.

But say a season played out like the one you posted with Bama.... how do you determine the standings at the end of that year? Since everyone is independent, there are no #1s, #2s, etc..

I am probably conflating my view with yours and just fighting with how I think it is supposed to go... idk. Not trying to be difficult, I am genuinely dumb right now lol.

 

[Deep Creek]

I like your idea. I often thought about this within a conference in determining rotating games from the other division, but I really like your idea for FBS P5 Football. Not interested in the G5 mix though. EMU, CMU and WMU for ISU and Iowa every year? No thanks. Conferences are great and needed mostly for the Olympic sports and basketball, but I love the idea of all being Independent for Football. Maybe protect 4 Games for rivalry / geographical sake and have the other 8 games be totally random and determined like the NFL does. Something like that.

Yep. Football needs a completely different set up than the other sports.

 

[78Cyclones]

Yep. Football needs a completely different set up than the other sports.

That is the key.

 

[78Cyclones]

Ok, I am super dumb, but I am still not getting it lol.

A) what do you mean by "pods"? Just those selected permanent games = pods? Permanently On Da Schedule lol

B) You were scheduling based on the standings of the year prior, much like the scheduling in the video I shared which I love that idea. 1s vs 1vs, 2s vs 2s and so on. Say #10 in the conference beat the 2 or 3 other #10s from the noncon on their schedule and their conference games, they would then be slated to play 2 or 3 #1s next season in their noncon.

But say a season played out like the one you posted with Bama.... how do you determine the standings at the end of that year? Since everyone is independent, there are no #1s, #2s, etc..

I am probably conflating my view with yours and just fighting with how I think it is supposed to go... idk. Not trying to be difficult, I am genuinely dumb right now lol.

Independent but in scheduling pods. You just have to get the conference thing out of your mind, but the pods would act like divisions. My point is that Alabama would end up playing 12 P5 schools 4 from their pod + 8 random games based on other pod standings. So, the new pods would be like mini-divisions but mini FBS P5 pods not conference pods. I just used last year's standings as an example of choosing teams not saying that is how the divisions would remain going forward.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Independent but in scheduling pods. You just have to get the conference thing out of your mind, but the pods would act like divisions. My point is that Alabama would end up playing 12 P5 schools 4 from their pod + 8 random games based on other pod standings. So, the new pods would be like mini-divisions but mini FBS P5 pods not conference pods. I just used last year's standings as an example of choosing teams not saying that is how the divisions would remain going forward.

Ok, now I gotcha. lol

How would these pods be decided and how large or "mini" are we talking?