P.J. Fleck >>> Jim Harbaugh

[TrustMeIamRight]

If TrustMeI'mWrong was even halfway accurate regarding recruiting, then Michigan would be #2 in the Big 10 and undefeated against Big 10 West teams. This is obviously not the case as they are #6 in the Big 10.

Clemson finished #2 in 2015 and won the Natty in 2016.

247 Recruiting rankings leading up to those final rankings.

2012: 20th
2013: 15th
2014: 16th
2015: 9th
2016: 11th

Average: 14th

Dabo Swinney did not have the benefits of Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio St blueblood status. He is an elite coach, established a culture, gets his players lined up properly, and surrounds himself with good assistants.

If Nebraska switched locations with Clemson — I agree — Nebraska would have a great shot to regain elite status.

Unfortunately for Nebraska, they are bordered by states that produce next to no blue chip recruits. If Nebraska was bordered by Georgia, like Clemson is — yes, you could build a pipeline for recruits. That’s how Clemson got DeShaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence, who have helped transform them into a premier program.

Nebraska is bordered by South Dakota, Kansas, Colorado, Iowa. Instead of playing in a conference where you’d play heavyweights like Texas and Oklahoma, which would get you national tv coverage — your big division games are now Wisconsin and Iowa. Not exactly marquee matchups recruits are looking to take part in.

I’m sure these are all things you know, but just don’t want to accept.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

There's also this...

 

[7Samurai13]

There's also this...

And? Do you think Michigan is the only one with people leaving the program?

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

And? Do you think Michigan is the only one with people leaving the program?

No. But when it's pointed out that we have this top 5 class in 2017, it's important to note that this coming year half that class is gone; and returns less than half of the top 10 players in it, in what would have been their senior/rs junior years.

MSU has the same argument. You had that great 2016 class that got gutted by this past season from transfers.

 

[Red_Alert]

I visited the Minn campus for a wedding we were invited to and the skywalks they have there over the Mississippi are ridiculous. They're a few hundred feet over the river and have an inside and outside portion. Luckily we didn't go in winter but I can't imagine walking around that place right now.

You're fucking high.

 

[7Samurai13]

No. But when it's pointed out that we have this top 5 class in 2017, it's important to note that this coming year half that class is gone; and returns less than half of the top 10 players in it, in what would have been their senior/rs junior years.

MSU has the same argument. You had that great 2016 class that got gutted by this past season from transfers.

Luckily Michigan has two other top ten classes to fall back on. Michigan State, not so much.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You're fucking high.

Yeah, I know. It's just 70 but it feels like it.

 

[Across The Field]

No. But when it's pointed out that we have this top 5 class in 2017, it's important to note that this coming year half that class is gone; and returns less than half of the top 10 players in it, in what would have been their senior/rs junior years.

MSU has the same argument. You had that great 2016 class that got gutted by this past season from transfers.

I think it's important to point out that your coaching staff is doing a horrible job of developing these kids, which is making them want to leave. Something is very wrong up there.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I think it's important to point out that your coaching staff is doing a horrible job of developing these kids, which is making them want to leave. Something is very wrong up there.

I can't wait for another offseason of this....

 

[Across The Field]

I can't wait for another offseason of this....

As long as you guys keep finishing 3rd in the division and missing out on major bowl games, I would get used to it. In fact, you guys should be having more of these conversations in AA.

 

[Red_Alert]

If Nebraska switched locations with Clemson — I agree — Nebraska would have a great shot to regain elite status.

Unfortunately for Nebraska, they are bordered by states that produce next to no blue chip recruits. If Nebraska was bordered by Georgia, like Clemson is — yes, you could build a pipeline for recruits. That’s how Clemson got DeShaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence, who have helped transform them into a premier program.

Nebraska is bordered by South Dakota, Kansas, Colorado, Iowa. Instead of playing in a conference where you’d play heavyweights like Texas and Oklahoma, which would get you national tv coverage — your big division games are now Wisconsin and Iowa. Not exactly marquee matchups recruits are looking to take part in.

I’m sure these are all things you know, but just don’t want to accept.

HEHEHEHEHE

"But, Nebraska" - TrustMeI'mWrong

Your distractions/deflections from irrelevant Harbaugh/Michigan's massive failures are pathetic at best.

Regarding Texas/Oklahoma, Nebraska would have AT LEAST one crossover game against Ohio St, Penn St, or Michigan. There is also the possibility of playing either Ohio St or Penn St in the CCG.

You can argue with the facts and numbers presented to you all you want. The data is all there for those who are not lazy and making excuses. What we don't see is you presenting facts and numbers. That is the dead giveaway in any debate that one is full of shit.

Dabo's recruiting class rankings

2009: 36th (9-5)
2010: 27th (6-7)
2011: 10th (10-4)
2012: 20th (11-2) Chic-Filet Bowl win over LSU (4 yr ave recruiting class 23rd)
2013: 15th (11-2) Orange Bowl win over Ohio St (4 yr ave recruiting class 18th)
2014: 16th (10-3) Russel Athletic Bowl win over Oklahoma (4 yr ave recruiting class 15th)
2015: 9th (14-1) CFP Orange Bowl win over Oklahoma. CFP Championship loss to Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class 15th)
2016: 11th (14-1) CFP Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma. CFP Championship win over Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class 12th)
2017: 16th (12-2) CFP Sugar Bowl loss to Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class 13th)
2018: 7th (15-0) CFP Cotton Bowl win over Notre Dame. CFP Championship win over Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class (11th)
2019: 10th (14-0) CFP Fiesta Bowl win over Ohio St. CFP Championship vs LSU. (4 yr ave recruiting class 11th)

Dabo has done a stellar job, hence him being an elite coach that can put the pieces together.
Shall we compare to Harbaugh/Michigan's recruiting class rankings and results?

How about we compare recruiting classes and results with Paul Chryst and Wisconsin who's got 10, 11, 13, and 10 win seasons in the same 5 years and is 4-1 in bowls? LOL
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[Red_Alert]

I visited the Minn campus for a wedding we were invited to and the skywalks they have there over the Mississippi are ridiculous. They're a few hundred feet over the river and have an inside and outside portion. Luckily we didn't go in winter but I can't imagine walking around that place right now.

You're fucking high.

Yeah, I know. It's just 70 but it feels like it.

The question is why you even need to be challenged on such dumb-assery?
.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

The question is why you even need to be challenged on such dumb-assery?
.

The question is why some people care about every over exaggeration on something so unimportant? The point being that they're fucking impressive walkways for students that tower over the Mississippi.

 

[Red_Alert]

The question is why some people care about every over exaggeration on something so unimportant? The point being that they're fucking impressive walkways for students that tower over the Mississippi.

A "few hundred feet" is just 70 feet.

I'm constantly correcting your exaggerations. Particularly regarding Harbaugh and Michigan football. It's like you flaming idiots don't realize people have internet and can check your BS.
Why you do feel the need to spread bad information?
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[Red_Alert]

I have maple trees taller than 70 feet in my yard. LOL

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I have maple trees taller than 70 feet in my yard. LOL

Knowing that probably isn't true, I'd read this as an exaggeration for effect.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

HEHEHEHEHE

"But, Nebraska" - TrustMeI'mWrong

Your distractions/deflections from irrelevant Harbaugh/Michigan's massive failures are pathetic at best.

Regarding Texas/Oklahoma, Nebraska would have AT LEAST one crossover game against Ohio St, Penn St, or Michigan. There is also the possibility of playing either Ohio St or Penn St in the CCG.

You can argue with the facts and numbers presented to you all you want. The data is all there for those who are not lazy and making excuses. What we don't see is you presenting facts and numbers. That is the dead giveaway in any debate that one is full of shit.

Dabo's recruiting class rankings

2009: 36th (9-5)
2010: 27th (6-7)
2011: 10th (10-4)
2012: 20th (11-2) Chic-Filet Bowl win over LSU (4 yr ave recruiting class 23rd)
2013: 15th (11-2) Orange Bowl win over Ohio St (4 yr ave recruiting class 18th)
2014: 16th (10-3) Russel Athletic Bowl win over Oklahoma (4 yr ave recruiting class 15th)
2015: 9th (14-1) CFP Orange Bowl win over Oklahoma. CFP Championship loss to Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class 15th)
2016: 11th (14-1) CFP Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma. CFP Championship win over Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class 12th)
2017: 16th (12-2) CFP Sugar Bowl loss to Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class 13th)
2018: 7th (15-0) CFP Cotton Bowl win over Notre Dame. CFP Championship win over Alabama (4 yr ave recruiting class (11th)
2019: 10th (14-0) CFP Fiesta Bowl win over Ohio St. CFP Championship vs LSU. (4 yr ave recruiting class 11th)

Dabo has done a stellar job, hence him being an elite coach that can put the pieces together.
Shall we compare to Harbaugh/Michigan's recruiting class rankings and results?

How about we compare recruiting classes and results with Paul Chryst and Wisconsin who's got 10, 11, 13, and 10 win seasons in the same 5 years and is 4-1 in bowls? LOL
.

You can continue to try and compare UM to any team you’d like. It doesn’t change reality for Nebraska.

You are still located in........Nebraska.

You are surrounded by.......Kansas, South Dakota, Colorado, Iowa.

You still play in a division whose top team is Wisconsin.

You had big schools as your rivals when you were in the Big 12. In B1G — your rivals are who? Iowa?

They have articles written about blue chip ratios — Nebraska is one of the teams they use as an example, but as I said, I’m sure Nebraska will be one outlier:



Sound familiar? It is like they are taking the words right out of my mouth

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Me - "Harbaugh lost a billion recruits from the 2017 class"

@Red_Alert - "actually it was exactly 14. Why do I have to keep correcting you idiots"

Me -

 

[Wamu]

Me - "Harbaugh lost a billion recruits from the 2017 class"

@Red_Alert - "actually it was exactly 14. Why do I have to keep correcting you idiots"

Me -

You- "Ohio State hired a high school"

Me- that high school coach beat Harbaugh, won a division & conference crown before he did

With the overwhelming lack of accomplishment JH has racked up in 5 years you should stop talking about any programs.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You- "Ohio State hired a high school"

Me- that high school coach beat Harbaugh, won a division & conference crown before he did

With the overwhelming lack of accomplishment JH has racked up in 5 years you should stop talking about any programs.

Yeah, but I say that just because it pissed you guys off and it makes me feel better about losing like 100* games in a row.

*indicates an exaggerated number so @Red_Alert doesn't get his panties in a bunch.