OT: who do you side with McDonalds or the workers?

[SEC Official]

People... you have the remember, many of these fast food workers still have student loans to pay from their days at Florida State... have some compassion for Christ's sake...

 

[bengaldoug]

People... you have the remember, many of these fast food workers still have student loans to pay from their days at Florida State... have some compassion for Christ's sake...

ROLL TIDE!!!(j/k)

 

[cincygrad]

I understand where you are coming from, but that doesn't mean any employer is responsible for the welfare of the poor. Sadly, if you can't make enough to succeed in one fulltime job, then maybe you should work two. As a small business owner I certainly put in as much time as a guy working two jobs does, and I'm as vulnerable to the big businesses as they are. Who's going to take care of these people? Well, some of them could do a better job of taking care of themselves. Nobody gave me a fucking thing or paid for me to educate myself. Financing for education is out there, too, and the loan availability is not connected in any way to your credit score.

Even with proper education, there are not enough well paying jobs in this country. They simply don't exist.

Making matters worse is the college loans you speak of.... What once was an affordable option for both normal joes and those in poverty is now an albatross. High borrowing rates have made them not much different than a credit card.

 

[jonvi]

I'm pretty sure that part of that costs goes to the CEO's 27.2 million dollar salary.

I wonder what the overhead is on the million man workforce the fast food industry employees. It takes a CEO of 27Mil caliber to tune that machine.

I couldn't run that operation. But you can. You should kick him out his chair and raise the wage for those underpaid bruger burners.

Now get back to cleaning off the tables.

 

[Gypsumstack]

So burger flippers want $15/hr? I make just over $16 an hour. If this shit goes through, I might as well stop breaking my back for a living and get a job at Mcy D's, because my bosses sure as shit aren't going to double my pay to make up for everything else going up in price.

That's what nobody seems to understand about minimum wage. You can go ahead and raise it to $100/hr if you want to, but nothing will change. The price of everything else just goes up to adjust for the increased wages. The one thing that doesn't go up, however, is the wages for anyone who isn't working a minimum wage job. Those at the bottom get paid better, prices go up to make up the difference, and those who are in the middle get dragged down closer to the poverty line. Congratulations, the rich stay rich and the middle class gets pulled down even further. You really accomplished something.

 

[Runeman]

McDonalds Corp does not exist in a vacuum. For those of you worried about pay;ing $10 for a big mac; that's not going to happen until inflation kicks in(that's another subject). At any rate, Due to government intervention(welfare, disability to millions who don't deserve it; etc....and government's lack of intervention(securing our borders); the work force is totally outside of normal economic models. MCDonalds and other fast food places is a wonderful place for your 16-20 year old to learn how to exist in the business world and STILL go to school. It's time folks got their children off their asses and away from texting 24-7 and learn what it takes to have some courage to make their own money. It's not meant for folks to be a carrier burger master. The vast majority of us who actually lived their lives without government assistance had those low paying jobs as a child and it didn't kill us...it made us stronger. I suspect we are a rare and dying breed as government continues to hand out those "free lunches" that aren't free.

 

[bengaldoug]

Even with proper education, there are not enough well paying jobs in this country. They simply don't exist.

Making matters worse is the college loans you speak of.... What once was an affordable option for both normal joes and those in poverty is now an albatross. High borrowing rates have made them not much different than a credit card.

So how were you able to find your job? Did you do anything the average person cannot emulate? And yes the rates for the student loans have gone up, but payment is deferred until graduation. As long as you get a degree in something marketable, you should do fine. We are all ultimately responsible for our own successes and failures.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Most of their "profits" get paid to the big corps as royalties. Don't get me wrong. A McDonalds restaurant pretty much is a license to print money, but the franchisee doesn't get to keep much of it. And as a consumer I sure don't want to pay 10 bucks for an egg mcmuffin.

I remember people telling me my boss at McDonalds drove a BMW. one day he gave me a ride to another store so we could swap some product with them. I rode in his BMW, the windows were stuck in the up position, the sides of the doors were torn off in the inside, his engine light was constantly on, and his emergency break didn't work. It was a rather out-dated BMW at that. yea, the franchise owners are not getting rich quick, that's for sure.

 

[Cincyfan78]

If you want to make more money, get a better job.

You knew what the job paid when you accepted. If it wasn't enough, then you should have declined the job and found another job. Stop crying. Work hard, be interested in moving up, and with the turnaround in management in the restaurant business, you'd be surprised how fast you can actually move up.

 

[DanBengalfan]

If you want to make more money, get a better job.

You knew what the job paid when you accepted. If it wasn't enough, then you should have declined the job and found another job. Stop crying. Work hard, be interested in moving up, and with the turnaround in management in the restaurant business, you'd be surprised how fast you can actually move up.

you can actually move up in the restaurant biz.
the only people who don't are the ones that just don't care to. you don't really get a large raise when you go from flipper to lvl 1 manager. a whole dollar an hour!

 

[Cincyfan78]

you can actually move up in the restaurant biz.
the only people who don't are the ones that just don't care to. you don't really get a large raise when you go from flipper to lvl 1 manager. a whole dollar an hour!

I used to work for Wendy's, and I made a pretty nice chunk of change as a manager. Only reason I left was because of the schedule and wanting to have a more traditional 9-5 job so I could be home for my kids, help coach football teams, and all that jazz. You can move up, and move up quickly, and you can make decent money doing it.

Jobs are out there. Most poeple simply don't want to work. There are tons of skilled labor jobs that are going unfilled in every city in this nation. The problem is, no one wants to do apprentiships or start on the ground floor and actually work. If they put in the time, in a few years many of these jobs would pay $20-25 an hour, and have pretty darn good benefits.

This nation's adaption to an entitlement attitude is killing it. People believe that they have the right to walk into a job making 50-60K a year, do little work, and work minimal hours.

 

[cincygrad]

you can actually move up in the restaurant biz.
the only people who don't are the ones that just don't care to. you don't really get a large raise when you go from flipper to lvl 1 manager. a whole dollar an hour!

Simply not true. Managerial positions make up less than 3% of the fast food business.

 

[flamingrey]

So burger flippers want $15/hr? I make just over $16 an hour. If this shit goes through, I might as well stop breaking my back for a living and get a job at Mcy D's, because my bosses sure as shit aren't going to double my pay to make up for everything else going up in price.

That's what nobody seems to understand about minimum wage. You can go ahead and raise it to $100/hr if you want to, but nothing will change. The price of everything else just goes up to adjust for the increased wages. The one thing that doesn't go up, however, is the wages for anyone who isn't working a minimum wage job. Those at the bottom get paid better, prices go up to make up the difference, and those who are in the middle get dragged down closer to the poverty line. Congratulations, the rich stay rich and the middle class gets pulled down even further. You really accomplished something.

Way to generalize. A few people hold up a sign that says $15/hour, and now we have to make it out that EVERYONE wants $15/hour, just to make an argument?

The real issue with minimum wage is it has barely moved, if at all, in the last 4 years even though inflation is a real thing. I can't really blame them for having a gripe with getting $7.85/hour.

And the rich don't just stay rich, they find a way to make themselves richer. We have to pay more for the lower people, raise prices to account for then, and eh, let's raise them a little more so we can stuff our pockets some more. That's where the real problem lies.

 

[cincygrad]

I wonder what the overhead is on the million man workforce the fast food industry employees. It takes a CEO of 27Mil caliber to tune that machine.

I couldn't run that operation. But you can. You should kick him out his chair and raise the wage for those underpaid bruger burners.

Now get back to cleaning off the tables.

First, you should know that I am a multi-billionaire. I'm also 6'5" 250lb, run a 4.5 40 and can bench press 224 pounds over 20 times. I'm an internet tough guy that can kick anyone's ass at the Dayton Mall. It's the internet - I can be whoever I want to be!

Second, if I had a job cleaning tables, I'd probably be working much harder than I am right now.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Simply not true. Managerial positions make up less than 3% of the fast food business.

That may be true, but the turnover rate is high. The chance to move up is real, and you can do it.

The store I used to work at had a GM, a Co-Manager (my position), 3-4 Assitant managers, and then a shift manager, or two.


Of those managers, we were constantly looking for Assistant managers and Shift Supervisors as we would lose 1-2 a year, and typically they only lasted a year+ in the job before burning out, or simply doing stupid shit and getting fired (This was actually most common).

I get that it's not a job for everyone. Heck, I left (though it was more scheduling than anything) and yes, I agree the shift supervisors aren't going to make a ton more money than some of the crew members there, but it's a way to get in the door. Once you are an assistant you were making roughly 28-32K a year in salary (This was in 2007).

 

[futballiscool]

Maybe you should also realize that those people working at McDonalds are also CONSUMERS. If they aren't getting paid a "fair" (and no I won't get into an argument of what is fair or not) wage, they can't buy the product, the company goes out of business, bla bla bla, and the rest of the rhetoric that you just spewed.

This. An exponentially small percentage of the population is acquiring an exponentially large percentage of the wealth. The capital's hoarded instead of redistributed. That's the problem. It's not the minimum wage worker asking for a livable salary. Seems like common sense to me

 

[cincygrad]

This. An exponentially small percentage of the population is acquiring an exponentially large percentage of the wealth. The capital's hoarded instead of redistributed. That's the problem. It's not the minimum wage worker asking for a livable salary. Seems like common sense to me

All the while they have throngs of people championing "hard work" as the tool to get to the top..... It's just not true. Financial success in life still has much more to do with the wealth of your family and the connections of loved ones than it does with hard work.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Simply not true. Managerial positions make up less than 3% of the fast food business.

based on my experience, it is rather easy to move up in the restaurant business if you are serious.
I was promoted to manager and was even looking to be certified at the 2nd level of management before I moved on. The problem with fast food is, nobody really works for McDonalds more than a few months before they move on to something else.

 

[Cincyfan78]

based on my experience, it is rather easy to move up in the restaurant business if you are serious.
I was promoted to manager and was even looking to be certified at the 2nd level of management before I moved on. The problem with fast food is, nobody really works for McDonalds more than a few months before they move on to something else.

You are right. It's a high stress job, and a lot of people are not equipped to handle that kind of stress. The biggst stresser in that management role is the high turnover rate at the employee level. You end up working severely short staffed, or you end up with a bunch of employees that haven't been fully trained.

Thankfully, our store had one of the lowest turnover rates in the business at that time. I think the biggest stresser is when you have your evening crew in, it's mostly highschool kids working part time, and only a few adults that are willing to work late 2nd, to early 3rd shift in a lot of cases. That's a hard schedule to fill and keep good EE's around.

 

[kramer1]

I worked at McD's (2 of 'em), Chik-Fil-A, Kings Island, Damon's (Middletown, yo) all while in high school.

/End brag