OT: The Masters - Should Tiger DQ himself?

[beantownmaniac]

Should he DQ himself? I think he should.

He probably did.

Well, if he did, I'm sure it wasn't the 'ol soft serve.

Fucking hilarious. My guess would be the banana split

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Fucking hilarious. My guess would be the banana split

And don't be surprised if Tiger got the .

 

[dare2be]

Added, just because. Doesn't mean anything, or does it?

 

[uncfan103]

He thought rule 26 was in play where you can go back as much as you want. Personally I hate seeing players DQ'ed for honest mistakes. There should be an official with every group to explain the options in such cases. It would be the best thing for golf especially in these big tourneys. Look at the player who a few years ago got DQ'ed because he thought he was hitting off bare ground but it was considered a sand trap so he wasn't supposed to ground his club. To call that a sand trap was a joke.

There is...all he has to do is ask him. If he wasn't sure it was an appropriate drop he could've called the rules official over. The only reason not to call him over is because you're sure it is legal or you want to drop illegally without being noticed/penalized, or told that it is illegal.

Same with the sand trap in the tournament, he chose to to ground his club even though all he had to do was ask a rules official. That being said, in that instance if it weren't for warning signs being posted all over the players locker rooms and being it being specifically listed on their rules sheet I would have thought it was a bad ruling. But, in both instances they had a rules official there to talk to.

 

[dare2be]

C'mon, quit hijacking our DQ thread...

 

[beantownmaniac]

C'mon, quit hijacking our DQ thread...

Yeah, what he said, fucking ****!!!!!

 

[uncfan103]

C'mon, quit hijacking our DQ thread...

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

They should have disqualified him in the first place. The press conference was total BULLSHIT.

They didn't do it because of who it was & because they want him in the tourney for media & ratings reasons. Tiger is the biggest draw on the tour without him Golf wouldn't get much publicity. If it was anyone else they would have been disqualified, no questions asked.

 

[beantownmaniac]

They should have disqualified him in the first place. The press conference was total BULLSHIT.

They didn't do it because of who it was & because they want him in the tourney for media & ratings reasons. Tiger is the biggest draw on the tour without him Golf wouldn't get much publicity. If it was anyone else they would have been disqualified, no questions asked.

I disagree bolts. They have rules in place. No one noticed when it happened, someone called the course after the round was over and told them what they SAW ON TV. 80% of the players don't have every shot shown on TV like Tiger, Phill, and other top pro's and if they had done the same, not only would no one have known it was wrong but they would have been given a 2 shot penalty. That's what the new "DVD" rule is for. I think DQ'ing a player for a mistake like that os BS anyway. As for him signing the wrong card, the officials knew what happened and should have made the ruling, aka given hom the 2 shot penalty, before the round was over and he never would have signed a wrong scorecard in the 1st place.

 

[uncfan103]

I disagree bolts. They have rules in place. No one noticed when it happened, someone called the course after the round was over and told them what they SAW ON TV. 80% of the players don't have every shot shown on TV like Tiger, Phill, and other top pro's and if they had done the same, not only would no one have known it was wrong but they would have been given a 2 shot penalty. That's what the new "DVD" rule is for. I think DQ'ing a player for a mistake like that os BS anyway. As for him signing the wrong card, the officials knew what happened and should have made the ruling, aka given hom the 2 shot penalty, before the round was over and he never would have signed a wrong scorecard in the 1st place.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but if you listen to the press conference / announcement the head of the rules committee made Tiger was "caught" because of his post round comments, not because of someone on television calling in. The rules official probably thought nothing of it, because he was in the same area, until he heard his post round comments. Had they talked to Tiger, which would have been the appropriate thing to do, he would have been assessed a two stroke penalty and not disqualified.

 

[beantownmaniac]

I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but if you listen to the press conference / announcement the head of the rules committee made Tiger was "caught" because of his post round comments, not because of someone on television calling in. The rules official probably thought nothing of it, because he was in the same area, until he heard his post round comments. Had they talked to Tiger, which would have been the appropriate thing to do, he would have been assessed a two stroke penalty and not disqualified.

Some one calling in was the reason for the inquiry in the first place, and a caller later reported what he had said in his interview. That's what I heard all day yesterday. I agree with your last sentence. Had they talked to Tiger right off the bat, it would have been a 2 stroke penalty and he never would have signed an incorrect scorecard. Personally I hate seeing players DQ'ed for honest mistakes and I'm glad to see the USGA soften it's stance in recent judgements. The rules are 500 or so years old and should be amended for the times.

 

[uncfan103]

Some one calling in was the reason for the inquiry in the first place, and a caller later reported what he had said in his interview. That's what I heard all day yesterday. I agree with your last sentence. Had they talked to Tiger right off the bat, it would have been a 2 stroke penalty and he never would have signed an incorrect scorecard. Personally I hate seeing players DQ'ed for honest mistakes and I'm glad to see the USGA soften it's stance in recent judgements. The rules are 500 or so years old and should be amended for the times.

The initial call is probably the reason he is still in the tournament. He wouldn't have been able to fall back onto a "committee error" if it weren't for the guy calling in and a rules official screwing up and saying he was good to go.

I think he should have been disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard because thats what the rule calls for. Maybe I'm missing something but, it sounds to me like he signed a wrong scorecard because he didn't know the rule, not because a rules official told him he made a bogey.

 

[beantownmaniac]

The initial call is probably the reason he is still in the tournament. He wouldn't have been able to fall back onto a "committee error" if it weren't for the guy calling in and a rules official screwing up and saying he was good to go.

I think he should have been disqualified for signing an incorrect scorecard because thats what the rule calls for. Maybe I'm missing something but, it sounds to me like he signed a wrong scorecard because he didn't know the rule, not because a rules official told him he made a bogey.

Well we al have our opinions and I've stated mine. If it weren't for a phone call there wouldn't even be a controversy. That's why the USGA complimented that "HD TV" rule. If it were any of those golfers who had no TV coverage, there wouldn't have been a phone call to Augusta and he would have gotten away with it, no 2 stroke penalty, that's why I think it was a fair judgement as every shot Tiger takes is televised. I think it's about time the rules of golf reflect honest mistakes with shot penalties, not disqualifying.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

I disagree bolts. They have rules in place. No one noticed when it happened, someone called the course after the round was over and told them what they SAW ON TV. 80% of the players don't have every shot shown on TV like Tiger, Phill, and other top pro's and if they had done the same, not only would no one have known it was wrong but they would have been given a 2 shot penalty. That's what the new "DVD" rule is for. I think DQ'ing a player for a mistake like that os BS anyway. As for him signing the wrong card, the officials knew what happened and should have made the ruling, aka given hom the 2 shot penalty, before the round was over and he never would have signed a wrong scorecard in the 1st place.

If you have Direc TV you have like 5 or 6 channels of Masters coverage. They can show anybody & everybody if they want too.

A new rule that was put in recently saved Tiger's ass.

 

[beantownmaniac]

If you have Direc TV you have like 5 or 6 channels of Masters coverage. They can show anybody & everybody if they want too.

A new rule that was put in recently saved Tiger's ass.

No the new rule wasn't put in to save Tigers ass as he's never been penalized for a rules violation as a pro as far as I know. Look, I get it, you don't like him, but that doesn't mean he should be DQ'ed. And as for golf coverage, 70% of the players at Augusta are barely shown, if at all, and not all TV viewers have direct TV. Just because you're biased towards Tiger, probably because of his off the course behavior, doesn't mean you're right, which in this case (claiming the rule was put in place to save his ass), you're wrong. I'm done with this thread.

 

[uncfan103]

Well we al have our opinions and I've stated mine. If it weren't for a phone call there wouldn't even be a controversy. That's why the USGA complimented that "HD TV" rule. If it were any of those golfers who had no TV coverage, there wouldn't have been a phone call to Augusta and he would have gotten away with it, no 2 stroke penalty, that's why I think it was a fair judgement as every shot Tiger takes is televised. I think it's about time the rules of golf reflect honest mistakes with shot penalties, not disqualifying.

The HD TV Rule doesn't apply in this case. The HDTV rule is meant to protect people from being penalized and DQd after something that could be seen on TV. It clearly hurts tigers argument because it doesn't waive disqualification for knowingly breaking a rule, or unknowingly breaking a rule they should've known or could've found out. Tiger was saved by "committee error" not the HDTV rule they cited.

 

[uncfan103]

No the new rule wasn't put in to save Tigers ass as he's never been penalized for a rules violation as a pro as far as I know. Look, I get it, you don't like him, but that doesn't mean he should be DQ'ed. And as for golf coverage, 70% of the players at Augusta are barely shown, if at all, and not all TV viewers have direct TV. Just because you're biased towards Tiger, probably because of his off the course behavior, doesn't mean you're right, which in this case (claiming the rule was put in place to save his ass), you're wrong. I'm done with this thread.

He was penalized this year in Abu Dhabi for an illegal drop. He didnt say the rule was put in to save tiger, he said the new rule saved tiger

 

[Dacks]

I have no love for Tiger whatsoever, but give me a break. Everyone saw the drop, nobody pointed it out at the time, and it's reasonable to believe Tiger didn't know he was breaking a rule. The is pro fucking golf, not your local par-3 amateur tourney, if the officials can't catch it before you sign your scorecard, it's on them.

Sure, it's all nice and honourable when somebody calls themself on a foul that nobody noticed. I get that. But in this case Tiger didn't know he'd broken a rule, and nobody told him. If anything, I think the extra penalty stroke was already over the top.

 

[blindbaby]

If Tiger had withdrawn from the tourney, there would sure as shit been a thread on EVERY sports messageboard saying the Tiger withdrew ONLY because he knew he was going to lose.

 

[uncfan103]

I have no love for Tiger whatsoever, but give me a break. Everyone saw the drop, nobody pointed it out at the time, and it's reasonable to believe Tiger didn't know he was breaking a rule. The is pro fucking golf, not your local par-3 amateur tourney, if the officials can't catch it before you sign your scorecard, it's on them.

Sure, it's all nice and honourable when somebody calls themself on a foul that nobody noticed. I get that. But in this case Tiger didn't know he'd broken a rule, and nobody told him. If anything, I think the extra penalty stroke was already over the top.

Why is his intent important? Also, rules officials aren't there to watch for penalties like in football and hockey and other sports. They're their for rules clarifications. They can't go into the woods every time someone takes a shot and make sure they don't move the ball around, just like they are not going to go stand next to the guy taking a drop to make sure he drops legally. Golf is a self-governing sport and Tiger broke a rule. Regardless of whether or not he knew he was breaking it he did. Could he have reasonably discovered that dropping two yards away from the previous spot is against the rule? Yes.