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[Jikkle]

If CK clearly performs better than Smith he will be the starting QB.

If we were a mediocre or lousy team last year CK would likely be the starter now but Harbaugh is going with Smith at the moment because the team is in a win now mode and he feels Smith gives them the best chance to win now. If you put CK in there than you're probably going to lose a couple more games due to youth and inexperience.

I think when Harbaugh is talking about competition he's naming Smith the starter because he's going to get all the 1st team reps and get as much work as he can with the 1st team. We're not going to see Smith with the 1st team one day, CK with the 1st team another day, JJ another day, etc.

So I don't think Smith being named starter speaks anything against CK. There is still a lot CK can learn and work on even as a backup still so it's not like he's ready to go and all he needs to do is hit the field like the Rodgers situation in GB.

Now if he's not starting to push hard for the job next season especially if Smith still isn't all that great than I think you might have an issue.

 

[Bemular]

"Who's the idiot that thought Mallett was gonna make an impact his first year in NE?"

Here's a better question, who's the idiot that thinks those scouting comments/opinions were made after the draft?!? Look, Clyde, you are never in a position to be calling anyone on this board an idiot - so just stop.

My guess is your QB pick didn't have the impact you thought he was going to have and that is why you are defending the depth of the draft. The truth is, we won't know the impact and thus the true depth of the 2011 QB class for a couple more years. So lets revisit this in 2014.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Here's a better question, who's the idiot that thinks those scouting comments/opinions were made after the draft?!? Look, Clyde, you are never in a position to be calling anyone on this board an idiot - so just stop.

My guess is your QB pick didn't have the impact you thought he was going to have and that is why you are defending the depth of the draft. The truth is, we won't know the impact and thus the true depth of the 2011 QB class for a couple more years. So lets revisit this in 2014.

Lol, so if people thought that Mallett should've contributed his rookie year BEFORE the Pats drafted him, why did you include him on your list? Does the fact that he's playing behind Tom Brady completely change the notion that he should've been an instant contributer? Or did you still think that he should've contributed his rookie year? Because that would make you, well, an idiot.

I'm not defending the depth of the draft to defend Kaerpernick. In fact, I thought Kap was more of a 3rd/4th round pick. I'm defending to the depth of the draft because you are wrong claiming that it wasn't a deep QB class.

Let me know when you're done being a clown.

 

[Bemular]

Lol, so if people thought that Mallett should've contributed his rookie year BEFORE the Pats drafted him, why did you include him on your list? Does the fact that he's playing behind Tom Brady completely change the notion that he should've been an instant contributer? Or did you still think that he should've contributed his rookie year? Because that would make you, well, an idiot.

I'm not defending the depth of the draft to defend Kaerpernick. In fact, I thought Kap was more of a 3rd/4th round pick. I'm defending to the depth of the draft because you are wrong claiming that it wasn't a deep QB class.

Let me know when you're done being a clown.

Look, Clyde, you're really not a smart guy. Like I said, you obviously bought into someone's pre-draft hype and undoubtedly ran your mouth on the boards as if you have a clue how to assess and analyze the depth of any QB class.

To paraphrase what I have said already twice, the 2011 class was deep with potential not promise. To believe otherwise especially in light of the evidence is just stupid.

Let me know if you honestly want me to respond to this exhibition of incompetence and desperation you call a post. And please be stupid enough to say you do.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Look, Clyde, you're really not a smart guy. Like I said, you obviously bought into someone's pre-draft hype and undoubtedly ran your mouth on the boards as if you have a clue how to assess and analyze the depth of any QB class.

To paraphrase what I have said already twice, the 2011 class was deep with potential not promise. To believe otherwise especially in light of the evidence is just stupid.

Let me know if you honestly want me to respond to this exhibition of incompetence and desperation you call a post. And please be stupid enough to say you do.

Lol, my God you're an idiot.

 

[Bemular]

Lol, my God you're an idiot.

Nice concession speach coward - Next time you say something this stupid I won't give you the option of tucking your tail and running away. You should learn to keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, jackass.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Nice concession speach coward - Next time you say something this stupid I won't give you the option of tucking your tail and running away. You should learn to keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, jackass.

You were wrong about the depth of the 2011 QB class, and you were wrong about why I was defending it. So far your idiocy is 0/2 in this thread. Keep going, and you might have to change your screen name again.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Look, Clyde, you're really not a smart guy. Like I said, you obviously bought into someone's pre-draft hype and undoubtedly ran your mouth on the boards as if you have a clue how to assess and analyze the depth of any QB class.

To paraphrase what I have said already twice, the 2011 class was deep with potential not promise. To believe otherwise especially in light of the evidence is just stupid.

Let me know if you honestly want me to respond to this exhibition of incompetence and desperation you call a post. And please be stupid enough to say you do.

I should probably just stay out of this one, but I've never been very good at that sort of thing. A couple thoughts:

First, other than Pozz, I don't know that anyone on this board follows college football as closely as Clyde, or puts their reputation on the line in terms of listing players they like or don't like in a given draft process - a list that regularly diverges from those of the majority of the pundits. It's easy to criticize someone after the fact. In terms of putting his opinions about prospects on the line, Clyde is almost certainly the most assertive poster on the board. And anyone who is familiar with Clyde knows that he doesn't just listen to the hype.

The distinction between promise and potential seems a strange one in this context. It seems you view promise as the ability to have an immediate effect. I don't think that tells us much about the relative strength of the class.

As you rightly noted above, this conversation should be had after the 2014 season. If you want to talk about how the draft was viewed immediately afterward, fine. But evaluating the depth of the QB class based on a single year in the league seems silly. Who knows how these guys are going to turn out in the long run? I don't know anyone who would seriously judge the strength of a QB class on it's first-year impact. If that is evidence of the strength of the class, it's pretty weak IMO.

 

[deep9er]

speaking of evaluating draft classes after three years, our 2008 class is now gone......except for 7th rounder Larry Grant.....sigh!

this would be year 3 for the 2009 class which contains Crabtree of course......and 7th rounder RJF.

its amazing we did so well last year without these classes and nigh a 'franchise' QB?

 

[Crimsoncrew]

speaking of evaluating draft classes after three years, our 2008 class is now gone......except for 7th rounder Larry Grant.....sigh!

this would be year 3 for the 2009 class which contains Crabtree of course......and 7th rounder RJF.

its amazing we did so well last year without these classes and nigh a 'franchise' QB?

Not that amazing given that the 2007 draft produced Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Ray McDonald, Dashon Goldson, and Tarell Brown. That's almost 1/4 of our starters in a single draft, and three pro bowlers. A draft like that - one of the best in the league in recent memory - gives you some room for error.

 

[imac_21]

Not that amazing given that the 2007 draft produced Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Ray McDonald, Dashon Goldson, and Tarell Brown. That's almost 1/4 of our starters in a single draft, and three pro bowlers. A draft like that - one of the best in the league in recent memory - gives you some room for error.

What are you talking about? That draft was subpar.

 

[Flyingiguana]

There is no question Colin was a reach; that happens when there is a run on QB's (or any position for that matter). There have been maybe 3 or 4 other drafts since the 60's where 6 QB's were taken by the 36th pick. ('83 immediately comes to mind).

2011 presented a classic shit storm of teams needing QB's from an otherwise poor QB class (at least thus far). Colin is right on schedule for where he should have been drafted - not what he was.

in that case we shouldn't have reached just because other teams were.

 

[Bemular]

I should probably just stay out of this one, but I've never been very good at that sort of thing. A couple thoughts:

First, other than Pozz, I don't know that anyone on this board follows college football as closely as Clyde, or puts their reputation on the line in terms of listing players they like or don't like in a given draft process - a list that regularly diverges from those of the majority of the pundits. It's easy to criticize someone after the fact. In terms of putting his opinions about prospects on the line, Clyde is almost certainly the most assertive poster on the board. And anyone who is familiar with Clyde knows that he doesn't just listen to the hype.

The distinction between promise and potential seems a strange one in this context. It seems you view promise as the ability to have an immediate effect. I don't think that tells us much about the relative strength of the class.

As you rightly noted above, this conversation should be had after the 2014 season. If you want to talk about how the draft was viewed immediately afterward, fine. But evaluating the depth of the QB class based on a single year in the league seems silly. Who knows how these guys are going to turn out in the long run? I don't know anyone who would seriously judge the strength of a QB class on it's first-year impact. If that is evidence of the strength of the class, it's pretty weak IMO.

This seems like a decent post, but I'm not at all sure whom or what you are addressing, so I'll just respond by saying that I've tried to make each of my posts as succinct as possible with the exception of perhaps a couple bad metaphors.

There were dissenting opinions about the QB class of the 2011 draft. I took the road less traveled and felt prior to the draft precisely as I wrote in my 1st post and clarified in my subsequent posts.

I spent the better part of 45 minutes last night looking for something to qualify my position when I came across this video from the 2011 combine. IMO, this video profiles perfectly my sentiments about the 2011 QB class.

Billick & Mayock Discuss The QB Class of 2011

 

[deep9er]

Not that amazing given that the 2007 draft produced Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Ray McDonald, Dashon Goldson, and Tarell Brown. That's almost 1/4 of our starters in a single draft, and three pro bowlers. A draft like that - one of the best in the league in recent memory - gives you some room for error.

yes, not expecting every draft class to be SOLID, there is some 'more art than science'. that said, it shouldn't be THAT bad either? you have to admit 2008 shouldn't be all gone by now (save the 7th rounder)?

yeah, to be fair to 2008, the 2008 1st rounder went to Staley in 2007. but this is also why 2007 looks a little better now. wasn't McDonald from a comp pick, mainly for Andre Carter?

 

[clyde_carbon]

Not that amazing given that the 2007 draft produced Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Ray McDonald, Dashon Goldson, and Tarell Brown. That's almost 1/4 of our starters in a single draft, and three pro bowlers. A draft like that - one of the best in the league in recent memory - gives you some room for error.

Not to mention a lot of people think that Ray Mac is a pro bowl caliber player as well.

That was a monsterous draft for us.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

yes, not expecting every draft class to be SOLID, there is some 'more art than science'. that said, it shouldn't be THAT bad either? you have to admit 2008 shouldn't be all gone by now (save the 7th rounder)?

yeah, to be fair to 2008, the 2008 1st rounder went to Staley in 2007. but this is also why 2007 looks a little better now. wasn't McDonald from a comp pick, mainly for Andre Carter?

I agree that 2008 was an awful, awful draft. But I'm not surprised the team did well because, as said, we had maybe the best draft in the last decade in 2007.

Who cares if McDonald was a comp pick? Manipulating FA to acquire comp picks is part of the process.

 

[deep9er]

I agree that 2008 was an awful, awful draft. But I'm not surprised the team did well because, as said, we had maybe the best draft in the last decade in 2007.

Who cares if McDonald was a comp pick? Manipulating FA to acquire comp picks is part of the process.

was just asking on McDonald.............trying to recall............sigh!

 

[kennyt12]

This seems like a decent post, but I'm not at all sure whom or what you are addressing, so I'll just respond by saying that I've tried to make each of my posts as succinct as possible with the exception of perhaps a couple bad metaphors.

There were dissenting opinions about the QB class of the 2011 draft. I took the road less traveled and felt prior to the draft precisely as I wrote in my 1st post and clarified in my subsequent posts.

I spent the better part of 45 minutes last night looking for something to qualify my position when I came across this video from the 2011 combine. IMO, this video profiles perfectly my sentiments about the 2011 QB class.

Billick & Mayock Discuss The QB Class of 2011

To sum it up, Clyde has been posting about the draft for about 10 years. He watches college football more closely than just about anybody on this board. We all respect Clyde’s opinion because of his passion for College football and his candid opinion of those that play. He doesn’t just listen to the so call draft experts he watches the games and then decides for himself. So in short, we’re going to respect and value the opinion of Clyde over yours every day of the week.

 

[Bemular]

To sum it up, Clyde has been posting about the draft for about 10 years. He watches college football more closely than just about anybody on this board. We all respect Clyde’s opinion because of his passion for College football and his candid opinion of those that play. He doesn’t just listen to the so call draft experts he watches the games and then decides for himself. So in short, we’re going to respect and value the opinion of Clyde over yours every day of the week.

Hey, kennyt12 come a little closer - NOBODY IS DISRESPECTING CLYDE!

Now pull your pants up and run along junior.

 

[DoobieKeebler]

NOBODY IS DISRESPECTING CLYDE!

Now pull your pants up and run along junior.

orly?

Look, Clyde, you are never in a position to be calling anyone on this board an idiot [...]

Look, Clyde, you're really not a smart guy. Like I said, you obviously bought into someone's pre-draft hype and undoubtedly ran your mouth on the boards as if you have a clue how to assess and analyze the depth of any QB class.

[...]To believe otherwise especially in light of the evidence is just stupid[...].

Let me know if you honestly want me to respond to this exhibition of incompetence and desperation you call a post. And please be stupid enough to say you do.

Nice concession speach coward - Next time you say something this stupid I won't give you the option of tucking your tail and running away. You should learn to keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, jackass.

"But Moooooom! Clyde did it first!"