Ongoing NHL Thread Part IV - A New Hope

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You know who else didn't score on that play? Martin Erat.

 

[BGDave]

Preds just had a goal in the last second of a game stolen from them because of a phantom Goaltender Interference call that the Panthers didn't even challenge.

Puck went into Luongo, he didn't move. Arvidsson poked at it, it squirted loose and Forsberg put it in with .5 seconds left. So, goaltender interference is apparently whenever anyone touches a goalie. Lupngo wasn't even trying to make a save, so they can't say he wasn't able to play his position. He thought he had it and he didn't.


Fucking bullshit.

Edit; seriously, what the fuck?

Luongo wasn't upset about it.

Best rationalization I can come up with is that they didnt really mean "goalie interference" but that Luongo had the puck covered and the referee's intent was to blow the whistle. The ref saying he thought the puck was in Luongo's control would have been an infinitely better answer then goalie interference. Which it wasn't.

 

[forty_three]

Best rationalization I can come up with is that they didnt really mean "goalie interference" but that Luongo had the puck covered and the referee's intent was to blow the whistle. The ref saying he thought the puck was in Luongo's control would have been an infinitely better answer then goalie interference. Which it wasn't.

I could see that, if the ref behind the net wasn't pointing instead of blowing his whistle. Ref was in a good position to see it was loose.

Bottom line is they have no fucking idea what goalie interference is. I am a goalie and if I was in Lou's position and Arvidsson *didn't* poke at it, I would mock him. It's expected.

 

[forty_three]

Let's recap.

Not goalie interference:

^Not this year, but one of the worst I've ever seen


Goalie Interference:

 

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So long, Gordon Howe.

Bye-bye, Robert Hull.

Au revoir, M. Richard.

Those Hockey Hall of Famers and the rest of the players who won an NHL championship from 1954-65 are being stripped off the Stanley Cup this spring to create room for a new layer of names without making the trophy too big to be skated around the ice by the winning captain or checked on an airplane for its next journey.

"People in Saskatchewan are a little upset Gordie's name is coming off, but that's the tradition," said Mike Bolt, one of the Hall of Fame staffers assigned to escort the Cup around the world. "It can't get any bigger. ... We wouldn't be able to do what we do."

Perhaps the most iconic trophy in sports, the Stanley Cup is unique among major prizes because the NHL passes it from team to team instead of producing a new one for every champion. It's also the only one that includes the name of every player to win it in each season — though the names come and go.

Since it was first donated in 1892 by Lord Stanley, the governor general of Canada, the Cup has grown from a 7-inch-high bowl to a 3-foot trophy more the size of a large wedding cake, with three small layers under the original bowl and five more bands under that that fit about 13 years of champions apiece.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

So the war room in Toronto's argument was that when Arvidsson smacked at the puck with his stick it spun Luongo around which led to Forsberg popping it in.

I suppose that's probably covered under the rules (I mean, Luongo just starts spinning on his own? How?) but I don't like it.

 

[BottleWalk]

So the war room in Toronto's argument was that when Arvidsson smacked at the puck with his stick it spun Luongo around which led to Forsberg popping it in.

I suppose that's probably covered under the rules (I mean, Luongo just starts spinning on his own? How?) but I don't like it.

This is one of those cases where the letter of the rule would say this is a correct call but the way it has traditionally been called would say it's the wrong call.

Luongo is affected by Arvidsson, he is spun around a little, and this creates a chance for Nashville to score to his right. "If an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper" is the definition of goaltender interference and this is a little more than a love tap unless Luongo is spinning on his own.

The reason a call like this is controversial is that we have usually understood interference as something you don't call unless it's pretty damn clear, and in this case there have definitely been goals that have counted this season where there was more interference going on than there was in this goal that didn't count.

This is less a problem with this call in particular as it is with consistency. If the rules are to be enforced as written then more plays should be called goaltender interference than are currently being called. If the unwritten understanding that we have of interference is true then this play should not have been disallowed.

It is as simple as that and it is a shame that there is still a problem with this in the nhl. While I don't know any better than the next guy what would entirely fix the problem I do believe that writing a rule that is enforced to the letter every time would be a start.

 

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I thought Snoop was a Ducks fan? I do like how he refers to himself as Dogg Cherry

 

[DragonfromTO]

I thought Snoop was a Ducks fan? I do like how he refers to himself as Dogg Cherry

That Snoopy Dig Dog, what a beauty!

 

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Obligatory...

 

[elocomotive]

You know who else didn't score on that play? Martin Fucking Erat.

Neither does Essa Tikanen.

Also, fify.

 

[forty_three]

unless Luongo is spinning on his own.

I think he is, or at least starts to. No doubt Arvidsson makes contact, but Loungo clearly doesn't feel the puck any more and is trying not to move his lower body while also trying to look behind him to his left. He has lost the puck and I think it's 50/50 him moving and Arvidsson pushing that causes him to move. He lifted the back foot and the puck came out.

Plus, after the play Luongo didn't protest. He laid on his side with a look on his face like "I fucked that one up, sorry boys".

Ultimately, you are correct. It's the complete and utter lack of consistency.

 

[dash]

Can you imagine the shitstorm if the war room in Toronto makes a similar call in the playoffs?

 

[BGDave]

Can you imagine the shitstorm WHEN the war room in Toronto makes a similar call in the playoffs?

fify

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

You know who else didn't score on that play? Martin Erat.

Damn, I thought for sure it was Scott Gomez.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

Can you imagine the shitstorm if the war room in Toronto makes a similar call in the playoffs?

Can't wait for the ensuing shit storm! I'm sure the media won't talk it into the ground

 

[puckhead]

Preds just had a goal in the last second of a game stolen from them because of a phantom Goaltender Interference call that the Panthers didn't even challenge.

Puck went into Luongo, he didn't move. Arvidsson poked at it, it squirted loose and Forsberg put it in with .5 seconds left. So, goaltender interference is apparently whenever anyone touches a goalie. Lupngo wasn't even trying to make a save, so they can't say he wasn't able to play his position. He thought he had it and he didn't.


Fucking bullshit.

Edit; seriously, what the fuck?

Luongo wasn't upset about it.

are you still allowed to carry your goalie union card with that take?
not that I disagree, but goalies usually stick together more than the referee guild

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Congrats to the Sabres for finishing dead last for the 3rd time in 5 seasons and becoming the first team in NHL history to finish 31st.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Congrats to the Sabres for finishing dead last for the 3rd time in 5 seasons and becoming the first team in NHL history to finish 31st.

They should strive for a similar result next season.

It's not like the 4th overall pick is gonna help them much immediately anyway.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

They should strive for a similar result next season.

It's not like the 4th overall pick is gonna help them much immediately anyway.