Ongoing NHL thread - Part III

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"You're saying this is your first lesson?"
"Yeah, but my father was a piano mover, so you know..."

 

[Darkstone42]

According to SN, Phil isn't even one of the top 20 RW's in the league:

Ranking the top 20 right wingers in the NHL, by the numbers - Sportsnet.ca

I immediately question a methodology which ranks Hornqvist that high. I love the guy, but at best he's a good second-line RW.

 

[esls79]

I immediately question a methodology which ranks Hornqvist that high. I love the guy, but at best he's a good second-line RW.

In reading some of the rationale behind the rankings, it appears things like puck recovery and stripping the opponent of the puck give you higher defensive numbers than if you don't. But what if you are on the ice and don't have to play d as much? Apparently that means you suck defensively.

 

[dash]

If you're trying to convince me that you'd rather have Jordan Eberle on your team than Phil Kessel, well you'd better have plenty of alcohol close by.

 

[esls79]

At least we can all agree Brendan Gallagher is the the 9th best RW in the league.

 

[esls79]

If you're trying to convince me that you'd rather have Jordan Eberle on your team than Phil Kessel, well you'd better have plenty of alcohol close by.

Amanda Kessel >= Jordan Eberle

 

[dash]

No supplementary discipline for Gudas...

No hearing for Gudas after Vesey hit

 

[jstewismybastardson]

former devil & flame Sasha Lakovic has terminal brain cancer ... sad

 

[forty_three]

At least we can all agree Brendan Gallagher is the the 9th best RW in the league.

And that James Kneel is better than Marian Hossa.

 

[Darkstone42]

In reading some of the rationale behind the rankings, it appears things like puck recovery and stripping the opponent of the puck give you higher defensive numbers than if you don't. But what if you are on the ice and don't have to play d as much? Apparently that means you suck defensively.

Puck recovery means you don't have it to begin with, after all.

And it awards players for doing things while shorthanded. There aren't a lot of first-line wingers who are also killing penalties. There are other guys who can do that, and those skill guys can be saved to use their energy to, you know, score goals.

 

[dash]

And that James Kneel is better than Marian Hossa.

Puck recovery means you don't have it to begin with, after all.

And it awards players for doing things while shorthanded. There aren't a lot of first-line wingers who are also killing penalties. There are other guys who can do that, and those skill guys can be saved to use their energy to, you know, score goals.

Meh, give me guys who will sacrifice their bodies and pay the price blocking shots, I don't need any fancy goal scorers.

 

[Duke of Douchington]

I sound like a curmudgeon, even though I'm likely younger than most, if not all posters here... but fuck these fancy stats. Hockey and football to me, I'd much rather have the "eye test" as opposed to hearing about how a player plays better between the hash marks in his own zone without the puck while shorthanded and without his helmet and dropped his stick than another...wish this nerd revolution never hit the sport.

 

[puckhead]

for USA Today

Keep the losses rollin' for Nolan
USA today... you be trollin'

former devil & flame Sasha Lakovic has terminal brain cancer ... sad

that sucks. he was a beast in junior. not scoring wise, but a beast.
also, in beer league when a guy tried to fight him, and he said "really? it's a bad idea."
the poor schmuck insisted and Sasha ended it very, very quickly.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

that sucks. he was a beast in junior. not scoring wise, but a beast.
also, in beer league when a guy tried to fight him, and he said "really? it's a bad idea."
the poor schmuck insisted and Sasha ended it very, very quickly.

I know one of lakovics cousins and he was telling me tonight about sasha, after one of his minor league regular seasons ended, coming back into town and going to his younger brothers highschool to fight 5 wanna be gang guys who were after his brother. Apparently they all had weapons and he kicked the shit out if them all. Could u imagine a pro hockey player doing something like that today lol

/also was told he is part of the concussion lawsuit v the nhl

 

[DragonfromTO]

I sound like a curmudgeon, even though I'm likely younger than most, if not all posters here... but fuck these fancy stats. Hockey and football to me, I'd much rather have the "eye test" as opposed to hearing about how a player plays better between the hash marks in his own zone without the puck while shorthanded and without his helmet and dropped his stick than another...wish this nerd revolution never hit the sport.

There there now, show us on the doll just where the data touched you...

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Top ten UFA's for next summer.

Top 10 NHL unrestricted free agents of 2017: Burnziepalooza - Sportsnet.ca

Didn't know Bishop rejected a trade to Calgary.

 

[forty_three]

Top ten UFA's for next summer.

Top 10 NHL unrestricted free agents of 2017: Burnziepalooza - Sportsnet.ca

Didn't know Bishop rejected a trade to Calgary.

Oh God, no. Not TJ Oshie.

Davidson, really.... walk away.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

when stats nerds and "good hockey man" eyeball test guys both agree negatively on a player you know youre possibly KHL bound

looking at you Emerson Etem

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Oh God, no. Not TJ Oshie.

Davidson, really.... walk away.

What's wrong with Oshie?

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Oh God, no. Not TJ Oshie.

Davidson, really.... walk away.

Umm...that's American Fucking Hero TJ Oshie to you...

The fact that we failed to medal is unimportant to this discussion.