Ongoing NHL thread - Part deux

[pixburgher66]

I would keep both Weber and Jones, but I would dangle Roman Josi and see if Chia would bite.

Really? Because of those three mentioned, I'd like Josi the best. Combo of abilities and salary there.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

They want to keep Nielsen. For some reason they're reluctant to give Okposo what he wants. Apparently it has something to do with his injury history.

I mean, I wouldn't blame them for that. Some of the other guys who've left the team after doing well playing alongside JT (Parenteau, Moulson, Vanek) haven't exactly lived up to their next contracts, after all.

But now what? More rebuilding? When's the part where they're done rebuilding and actually competing? How many more prime years of JT are gonna get flushed?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

There are all kinds of rumors about Hamonic going here, their & everywhere. Apparently there were a lot of scouts at the last Bridgeport Sountigers game. With players like Strome, Pulock, Mayfield & others in the lineup it could be a bigger deal.

I've always assumed it'll either be a 1-for-1 deal for a similarly-skilled d-man made by a GM doing Garth a favour, or a big ass game-changer. Hopefully the latter.

 

[dash]

Really? Because of those three mentioned, I'd like Josi the best. Combo of abilities and salary there.

That's the thing, he's attractive because of his ability and current salary. I think if you are Nashville, you're keeping Weber (he's your captain and team leader) and Seth Jones looks to be the guy that could take over for Weber down the road (I guess you could say the same for Josi). Edmonton really needs to part with one of the wunderkids and it's not going to be McDavid, nobody wants Yak anymore because he's disappeared since McJesus got injured, Eberle is softer than Charmin, and Hall is their points leader and seems to have some chemistry with Draisaitl.

If they really want to improve their defense, this is their chance and RNH could fetch a very good defenseman from Nashville.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

I mean, I wouldn't blame them for that. Some of the other guys who've left the team after doing well playing alongside JT (Parenteau, Moulson, Vanek) haven't exactly lived up to their next contracts, after all.

But now what? More rebuilding? When's the part where they're done rebuilding and actually competing? How many more prime years of JT are gonna get flushed?

Hamonic wanting out could be a game changer depending on what they get in return. The prospect pool is flush. Pulock is very close to being ready. I doubt many would be surprised if Barzal makes the team next year. So there's two spots right their. Strome has all the tools. I don't know what the problem is. That's three spots. How many spots do you think will be available on the Isles roster after this season? Heck Pelech hasn't seemed out of place. It will come down to the players finding chemistry. That's important for every team.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

I've always assumed it'll either be a 1-for-1 deal for a similarly-skilled d-man made by a GM doing Garth a favour, or a big ass game-changer. Hopefully the latter.

I don't expect a 1 for 1 deal. If he trades Hamonic alone I expect a top prospect & a 1st round pick. If it's a multi-player trade I have no idea who will be in the deal. We could guess of course. I just don't expect Garth to get equal value in this situation. I wouldn't expect any GM to be able to get equal value in this situation.

I've read names like Brodin, Lindholm, Trouba. Even Seth Jones. I just don't view them as realistic under the circumstances.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Hamonic wanting out could be a game changer depending on what they get in return. The prospect pool is flush. Pulock is very close to being ready. I doubt many would be surprised if Barzal makes the team next year. So there's two spots right their. Strome has all the tools. I don't know what the problem is. That's three spots. How many spots do you think will be available on the Isles roster after this season? Heck Pelech hasn't seemed out of place. It will come down to the players finding chemistry. That's important for every team.

Those 2 guys are rookies. Like I said, it's more re-building. When does the re-building end? It's been the same story with the Isles for 4 years. If you just keep playing mediocre and gathering picks and do nothing with them, you just allow the earlier guys you picked's contracts to expire then you're stuck in more rebuilding. Where's the next step? Where's the balls to make a move to get the team to the next level?

I don't doubt that Garth has tried to move prospects/picks for established players but at some point he's either gotta come through or they need to find someone who can. John Tavares is 25 years old; he should have more than 13 playoff games to his name by now.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Those 2 guys are rookies. Like I said, it's more re-building. When does the re-building end? It's been the same story with the Isles for 4 years. If you just keep playing mediocre and gathering picks and do nothing with them, you just allow the earlier guys you picked's contracts to expire then you're stuck in more rebuilding. Where's the next step? Where's the balls to make a move to get the team to the next level?

I don't doubt that Garth has tried to move prospects/picks for established players but at some point he's either gotta come through or they need to find someone who can. John Tavares is 25 years old; he should have more than 13 playoff games to his name by now.

He tried with the Vanek deal & it failed miserably. The Isles offered Vanek 7 years 50M & he turned them down. It isn't from lack of trying on Garth's part. UFA's haven't been knocking down the Isles door's either. Garth made a point in that trade that he wasn't going to trade away his top prospects in a deal. Like I said the Hamonic situation could be a game changer for this season. We'll know more after Travis is dealt.

 

[dash]

As far as Hamonic is concerned, why would any GM make a lateral move (or in some cases move a better player) to help out Garth Snow? Heck, I don't blame Garth Snow for asking for these types of players, but I think it will likely have to be a package deal (or potentially a 3-team deal) before this trade gets done.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

He tried with the Vanek deal & it failed miserably. The Isles offered Vanek 7 years 50M & he turned them down. It isn't from lack of trying on Garth's part. UFA's haven't been knocking down the Isles door's either. Garth made a point in that trade that he wasn't going to trade away his top prospects in a deal. Like I said the Hamonic situation could be a game changer for this season. We'll know more after Travis is dealt.

If he's not gonna trade away his top prospects, he might as well trade Tavares because there's literally nobody on the team even near his level. I don't know how the team gets better when superstars don't go to UFA and you aren't willing to meet pricing for superstars on the trade market. Yeah, sure, sometimes teams get lucky and a prospect contributes immediately and it's awesome but more common is it takes years for them to come around.

Not saying they should go out and trade every young player but prospects are just that - prospects. You can lose a lot more by waiting around for them to develop than you can gain by using them to make good trades.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

As far as Hamonic is concerned, why would any GM make a lateral move (or in some cases move a better player) to help out Garth Snow? Heck, I don't blame Garth Snow for asking for these types of players, but I think it will likely have to be a package deal (or potentially a 3-team deal) before this trade gets done.

Friedman says about as much in today's 30.

Garth may be luckier than we think, though, because a lot of teams are trying to make moves right now - I think a full third of the league are actively trying to add, from conference leaders to teams starting slow. He definitely has that going for him, since while he may have a whiff of desperation to him he is barely the only one.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

If he's not gonna trade away his top prospects, he might as well trade Tavares because there's literally nobody on the team even near his level. I don't know how the team gets better when superstars don't go to UFA and you aren't willing to meet pricing for superstars on the trade market. Yeah, sure, sometimes teams get lucky and a prospect contributes immediately and it's awesome but more common is it takes years for them to come around.

Not saying they should go out and trade every young player but prospects are just that - prospects. You can lose a lot more by waiting around for them to develop than you can gain by using them to make good trades.

It depends on the prospect. Expecting Garth to trade Barzal, Pulock or similar players in the system to make a run this year is ridiculous. The Islanders aren't a cup contender in my opinion. Tavares has two years left on his contract after this season. If he doesn't like the situation he can ask to be traded just like Hamonic did. I don't see it happening. JT has to much class to do that. The Isles will likely give Tavares a contract offer before the start of the final year on his contract. If he turns them down the trade rumors will begin.

The organization can't be blamed for the Hamonic situation. They've handled it quite well under the circumstances. If one of the Leafs best players had asked for a trade 2 months ago the media would have probably known about it immediately.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

As far as Hamonic is concerned, why would any GM make a lateral move (or in some cases move a better player) to help out Garth Snow? Heck, I don't blame Garth Snow for asking for these types of players, but I think it will likely have to be a package deal (or potentially a 3-team deal) before this trade gets done.

I agree dash. I actually expect it to be either a big multi-player trade or Hamonic for a prospect & a 1st round pick.

 

[Comeds]

As fighting is a least being phased out, should PIMs still be a positive thing in fantasy hockey?

 

[pixburgher66]

As fighting is a least being phased out, should PIMs still be a positive thing in fantasy hockey?

Honestly, I never understood why they were to begin with. In Fantasy Football, are there points for holdings? PIs? Personal fouls? No, because that's idiotic.

 

[Comeds]

Honestly, I never understood why they were to begin with. In Fantasy Football, are there points for holdings? PIs? Personal fouls? No, because that's idiotic.

It sure seems stupid now.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

As fighting is a least being phased out, should PIMs still be a positive thing in fantasy hockey?

Honestly, I never understood why they were to begin with. In Fantasy Football, are there points for holdings? PIs? Personal fouls? No, because that's idiotic.

It sure seems stupid now.

The way I see it is that it's just another parameter you need to consider, making it more difficult to build a team (fantasy speaking that is).

 

[dash]

Mason Raymond or Zac Rinaldo in those later rounds, folks (lol)

 

[Comeds]

The way I see it is that it's just another parameter you need to consider, making it more difficult to build a team (fantasy speaking that is).

I do not mind them being calculated, I just feel they should be a negative stat and whomever has the least should win that category.

 

[dash]

I do not mind them being calculated, I just feel they should be a negative stat and whomever has the least should win that category.

Dare I say comeds is the Lady Byng of fantasy players...