Ongoing NHL thread - Part deux

[tducey]

An offer sheet would shake things up. I remember the Fedorov and Sakic offer sheets back in 1997. Imagine if Detroit or Colorado didn't match.

 

[puckhead]

Chicago will match

How many times do players end up going elsewhere in RFA? It doesn't happen besides the dumbasses in Edmonton who thought giving a guy a huge contract in RFA was going to help them going forward

So for people who think their team can get someone in RFA, well it's not happening

Unless a team is so fucked against the cap that that can't match. Like Chicago.
It would force them to make a tough choice in any event. Match on Saad, you lose someone else.


I seem to recall the last time they matched an rfa offer on supernintendo hjalmerson, it meant they couldn't afford to keep niemi

 

[DragonfromTO]

Chicago will match

How many times do players end up going elsewhere in RFA? It doesn't happen besides the dumbasses in Edmonton who thought giving a guy a huge contract in RFA was going to help them going forward

So for people who think their team can get someone in RFA, well it's not happening

Without some other kind of crazy maneuvering (that will also make them worse somehow) they won't be able to.

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[Cobiemonster]

Unless a team is so fucked against the cap that that can't match. Like Chicago.
It would force them to make a tough choice in any event. Match on Saad, you lose someone else.


I seem to recall the last time they matched an rfa offer on supernintendo hjalmerson, it meant they couldn't afford to keep niemi

They're going to lose someone anyway regardless of if someone puts an offer sheet out, that's why Chicago is going to match no matter what

 

[DragonfromTO]

They're going to lose someone anyway regardless of if someone puts an offer sheet out, that's why Chicago is going to match no matter what

If they match, they match. It's still a good move.

 

[DragonfromTO]

They're going to lose someone anyway regardless of if someone puts an offer sheet out, that's why Chicago is going to match no matter what

"We're already broke anyway Ma so just keep using that credit card!"

 

[Cobiemonster]

"We're already broke anyway Ma so just keep using that credit card!"

If any team offer sheets Brandon Saad a huge contract, they're even bigger idiots

Teams who try to use RFA to build their team are out of their minds - if they want to get a player in RFA, then they should trade for him instead of giving out a dumb offer sheet

 

[DragonfromTO]

Ottawa would also be a good target, a team could offer sheet a couple of Zibinejad, Stone and Hoffman and play "who do you love more?" with the Sens.

 

[DragonfromTO]

If any team offer sheets Brandon Saad a huge contract, they're even bigger idiots

Teams who try to use RFA to build their team are out of their minds - if they want to get a player in RFA, then they should trade for him instead of giving out a dumb offer sheet

Forcing your opponents to either pay proper market prices (rather than reduced bargain prices) for their players or lose them is crazy?

 

[DragonfromTO]

If any team offer sheets Brandon Saad a huge contract, they're even bigger idiots

Teams who try to use RFA to build their team are out of their minds - if they want to get a player in RFA, then they should trade for him instead of giving out a dumb offer sheet

We're not talking about "trying to use RFA to build their team", we're talking about not completely shying away from specific situations where offer sheets make good sense.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Forcing your opponents to either pay proper market prices (rather than reduced bargain prices) for their players or lose them is crazy?

But there are teams who will try and go overboard with offer sheets for no apparent reason

How many legitimate offer sheets have been made in the last 5-6 years? Not very many and that's why I don't think teams need to bother because they're not getting the player anyway more than likely

 

[DragonfromTO]

But there are teams who will try and go overboard with offer sheets for no apparent reason

How many legitimate offer sheets have been made in the last 5-6 years? Not very many and that's why I don't think teams need to bother because they're not getting the player anyway more than likely

But that's not what I'm suggesting or advocating here, so I'm not sure why it's being brought up as a counterpoint.

As I already stated, even if the other team matches forcing your opposition to pay somewhat normal prices for their players rather than getting them on ultra reduced exclusively negotiated deals is still a win.

 

[puckhead]

They're going to lose someone anyway regardless of if someone puts an offer sheet out, that's why Chicago is going to match no matter what

You're missing the point
Say they are negotiating on a 3m deal for Saad, and someone offers 4.2. They're so tight with the budget, that extra 1.2 may cause them to not be able to keep another player that they really wanted to. Ergo, the dilemma.
It is only effective when a team is tight, but this year there are a few that are vulnerable.

 

[ritari330]

Chicago will match

How many times do players end up going elsewhere in RFA? It doesn't happen besides the dumbasses in Edmonton who thought giving a guy a huge contract in RFA was going to help them going forward

So for people who think their team can get someone in RFA, well it's not happening

Chicago's Cap situation is so fucked up though and it would force them into an even worse cap situation. $4 mil/yr isn't outrageous for Saad and Chicago has less than $5 mil in cap space right now. They are going to lose someone, but an offer sheet along those lines might force them to lose multiple players and make them a much weaker team in the long run.

 

[ritari330]

I suspect Chicago to look to deal Sharpe before July 1 for more flexibility. May cause the price to be fairly low.

 

[ritari330]

In UFA news:




Edit: believe the 'Nucks hashtag is Ward's interest in VAN.

 

[dash]

Well, I should edit Joel's wiki page to indicate that he played junior hockey for the Medicine Hat Tigers...

 

[Cobiemonster]

You're missing the point
Say they are negotiating on a 3m deal for Saad, and someone offers 4.2. They're so tight with the budget, that extra 1.2 may cause them to not be able to keep another player that they really wanted to. Ergo, the dilemma.
It is only effective when a team is tight, but this year there are a few that are vulnerable.

Chicago's Cap situation is so fucked up though and it would force them into an even worse cap situation. $4 mil/yr isn't outrageous for Saad and Chicago has less than $5 mil in cap space right now. They are going to lose someone, but an offer sheet along those lines might force them to lose multiple players and make them a much weaker team in the long run.

Patrick Sharp will be gone and so will Johnny Oduya plus Michal Rozsival will be off the cap - they'll plug TVR and another young guy into the fold and I think they'll be good to go on the blueline - that should give them enough cap space to re-sign Brandon Saad

Yes, 19 and 88's new deals start which will make it a little bit tougher, but I don't imagine that Chicago's going to have to blow up the team again just to bring back one player - if Chicago was willing to give 19 and 88 those big deals knowing the cap situation it could put them in, this signing would be nothing compared to those two

 

[ritari330]

Patrick Sharp will be gone and so will Johnny Oduya plus Michal Rozsival will be off the cap - they'll plug TVR and another young guy into the fold and I think they'll be good to go on the blueline - that should give them enough cap space to re-sign Brandon Saad

Yes, 19 and 88's new deals start which will make it a little bit tougher, but I don't imagine that Chicago's going to have to blow up the team again just to bring back one player - if Chicago was willing to give 19 and 88 those big deals knowing the cap situation it could put them in, this signing would be nothing compared to those two

They have 8 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 2 goalies currently under contract. That leaves about $5 mil to sign 4 forwards and 3 defensemen. You don't think that someone forcing their hand by signing Saad to a ~$4 mil/yr offer sheet would make a difference? Yes, moving Sharp will give them more room, but really only $2 mil if they matched the offer sheet. And that's if they don't take on any salary in the deal for Sharp. It may not force Chicago move another player, but it would at the very least force them heavily rely upon young, unproven talent.

 

[Cobiemonster]

They have 8 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 2 goalies currently under contract. That leaves about $5 mil to sign 4 forwards and 3 defensemen. You don't think that someone forcing their hand by signing Saad to a ~$4 mil/yr offer sheet would make a difference? Yes, moving Sharp will give them more room, but really only $2 mil if they matched the offer sheet. And that's if they don't take on any salary in the deal for Sharp. It may not force Chicago move another player, but it would at the very least force them heavily rely upon young, unproven talent.

Is that $5 million of cap space assuming that the cap will be at $71 million?