Ongoing NHL thread - Part deux

[Nasty_Magician]

Johan Franzen is having a tough time with his latest concussion...

...Johan Franzen, out since January with his latest concussion, almost surely out for the season no matter how deep Detroit goes, and very questionable to ever resume his hockey career.
Only in the last few weeks has Franzen been able to put on skates….

Franzen was blindsided by Edmonton’s Rob Klinkhammer on Jan. 6. ... He stayed in the game, but the symptoms struck—hard—on the bus back to the hotel. He said he believes it was his fourth concussion, but isn’t totally sure.

For about two months, Franzen says, he could barely get out of bed. “I got up and tried to do whatever and got a migraine and had to shut right down.” Even now he says he has to go back to sleep in the afternoon or he’ll be debilitated by a headache.

The 35-year-old Franzen still has five years left on his contract, but he sounds like he wouldn’t be shocked if his career has already ended long before he was ready.

Johan Franzen's Brain Is Not Healthy

That is terrible. Ryane Clowe is rumored to be retiring as well, it's unfortunate but you really shouldn't mess around with brain injuries. You have a life to live, people in your life, it's not worth it.

 

[BGDave]

Stars have innked John Klingberg to a 7 year deal (4.25 AAV)

Source: Stars and John Klingberg have agreed to terms on seven-year extension | | Dallas Morning News

Have to say I am not familiar with him. 1 season, 11 goals. Was his contract expiring? Seems like a good deal for the kid, not so sure about the Stars though

 

[BGDave]

Johan Franzen is having a tough time with his latest concussion...

...Johan Franzen, out since January with his latest concussion, almost surely out for the season no matter how deep Detroit goes, and very questionable to ever resume his hockey career.
Only in the last few weeks has Franzen been able to put on skates….

Franzen was blindsided by Edmonton’s Rob Klinkhammer on Jan. 6. ... He stayed in the game, but the symptoms struck—hard—on the bus back to the hotel. He said he believes it was his fourth concussion, but isn’t totally sure.

For about two months, Franzen says, he could barely get out of bed. “I got up and tried to do whatever and got a migraine and had to shut right down.” Even now he says he has to go back to sleep in the afternoon or he’ll be debilitated by a headache.

The 35-year-old Franzen still has five years left on his contract, but he sounds like he wouldn’t be shocked if his career has already ended long before he was ready.

Johan Franzen's Brain Is Not Healthy

Sorry to hear that. I always liked him.

On a lighter note, if his contract is insure, maybe you can peddle him to Columbus for Clarkson?

At least DET will get cap relief via LTIR.

 

[dash]

Have to say I am not familiar with him. 1 season, 11 goals. Was his contract expiring? Seems like a good deal for the kid, not so sure about the Stars though

Very good young defenseman for the Stars, I think it's a good contract for both sides.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Johan Franzen is having a tough time with his latest concussion...

...Johan Franzen, out since January with his latest concussion, almost surely out for the season no matter how deep Detroit goes, and very questionable to ever resume his hockey career.
Only in the last few weeks has Franzen been able to put on skates….

Franzen was blindsided by Edmonton’s Rob Klinkhammer on Jan. 6. ... He stayed in the game, but the symptoms struck—hard—on the bus back to the hotel. He said he believes it was his fourth concussion, but isn’t totally sure.

For about two months, Franzen says, he could barely get out of bed. “I got up and tried to do whatever and got a migraine and had to shut right down.” Even now he says he has to go back to sleep in the afternoon or he’ll be debilitated by a headache.

The 35-year-old Franzen still has five years left on his contract, but he sounds like he wouldn’t be shocked if his career has already ended long before he was ready.

Johan Franzen's Brain Is Not Healthy

Do we think he properly retires then, or does he pull a Pronger and not officially retire for 5 years to continue collecting his paycheck?

 

[dash]

Do we think he properly retires then, or does he pull a Pronger and not officially retire for 5 years to continue collecting his paycheck?

I don't have a problem with guys continuing to collect their paychecks even though it's unlikely they'll play again, both sides realize this is a possibility when they sign the deal (I don't think anybody was holding a gun to Ken Holland's head when he signed that 11 year contract).

/Although it is Detroit, maybe somebody was holding a gun to his head.
//I kid, I kid.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I don't have a problem with guys continuing to collect their paychecks even though it's unlikely they'll play again, both sides realize this is a possibility when they sign the deal (I don't think anybody was holding a gun to Ken Holland's head when he signed that 11 year contract).

/Although it is Detroit, maybe somebody was holding a gun to his head.
//I kid, I kid.

My bigger issue is giving the cap relief at the same time because we're somehow pretending these guys could play again.

I'd rather the next CBA include a provision to allow a player to retire but still get paid out the funds - assuming it's a real medical issue of course - and eliminate the farce we have currently.

 

[forty_three]

That is terrible. Ryane Clowe is rumored to be retiring as well, it's unfortunate but you really shouldn't mess around with brain injuries. You have a life to live, people in your life, it's not worth it.

So true.

All mine came before age 20, and I was very careless. And incredibly lucky.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

My bigger issue is giving the cap relief at the same time because we're somehow pretending these guys could play again.

I'd rather the next CBA include a provision to allow a player to retire but still get paid out the funds - assuming it's a real medical issue of course - and eliminate the farce we have currently.

Doesn't that bring back the problem with the front-loaded contracts?

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Doesn't that bring back the problem with the front-loaded contracts?

I guess it would all depend on how it's implemented. Since this is the NHL, we can assume they'd screw it up.

But if it's written in such a way that only injury-type conditions would apply (i.e., not just a guy's knees breaking down because he's 40 years old), you can still eliminate the cap recapture penalties.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I guess it would all depend on how it's implemented. Since this is the NHL, we can assume they'd screw it up.

But if it's written in such a way that only injury-type conditions would apply (i.e., not just a guy's knees breaking down because he's 40 years old), you can still eliminate the cap recapture penalties.

The problem with that is teams could just lie and claim injury problems. Chara may very well be a 10 point defenceman next season with the mobility of a 3-wheeled forklift and will still have 2 years left on his deal - think Boston wouldn't just make up an injury and Chara retires happily? This is beeg problem.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

The problem with that is teams could just lie and claim injury problems. Chara may very well be a 10 point defenceman next season with the mobility of a 3-wheeled forklift and will still have 2 years left on his deal - think Boston wouldn't just make up an injury and Chara retires happily? This is beeg problem.

Hey, I haven't hashed out all the details yet

As it stands right now, I believe there is some provision in place to ensure that LTIR isn't being used just to get around cap issues whereby the league can request an independent doctor to rule on the player. Maybe something like that.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Hey, I haven't hashed out all the details yet

As it stands right now, I believe there is some provision in place to ensure that LTIR isn't being used just to get around cap issues whereby the league can request an independent doctor to rule on the player. Maybe something like that.

That would make sense.

I'm good either way, but even moreso if the Bruins suffer

 

[Comeds]

Hey, I haven't hashed out all the details yet

As it stands right now, I believe there is some provision in place to ensure that LTIR isn't being used just to get around cap issues whereby the league can request an independent doctor to rule on the player. Maybe something like that.

Dr. Mark Louis Recchi?

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Dr. Mark Louis Recchi?

Assisted by legal counsel Eugene Melnyk

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

That would make sense.

I'm good either way, but even moreso if the Bruins suffer

It's really the Pronger thing that gets me the most. Not only was allowing him to stay on LTIR a farce to begin with, but then they let him continue collecting from the team even though he's working for the front office.

It's made me bitter and cynical towards all LTIR non-retirements.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

It's really the Pronger thing that gets me the most. Not only was allowing him to stay on LTIR a farce to begin with, but then they let him continue collecting from the team even though he's working for the front office.

It's made me bitter and cynical towards all LTIR non-retirements.

Yeah, I still don't understand the Pronger shit. Don't think I ever will.

 

[dash]

Yeah, I still don't understand the Pronger shit. Don't think I ever will.

Gary Bettman doing his BFF Ed Snider a solid.

 

[johnny_corbeau]

Test. It seems that you can see my messages but I can't see yours.

Argghhhh.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Gary Bettman doing his BFF Ed Snider a solid.

I think you just made Jeremy Jacobs' shit list with that comment dash.