One win teams that aren't dead yet

[Tgann69]

At what point did I make an excuse for my team? I said the run game is something they are working on. That is not some crazy secret. Kubiak loves to develop a run game and wants to find other ways to win other than Manning. That is not an excuse that is a fact. So far this year it hasn't worked very well. This past game saw some glimpses of it working but otherwise the Broncos have not had much of a run game.

As for stats for Williams he has 14 targets so far this year but only 7 catches. Those are not great numbers for a guy that should be getting pretty easy coverage considering most don't view him as a threat.

The difference between me and you is I am willing to admit my team has some weaknesses that could cost them the Super Bowl. I have an understanding that my team is beatable and that we could get to the playoffs and be one and done. Right now I don't think you can even begin to comprehend that your team could fail this year. You spent the entire off season trying to convince everybody on here just how great and powerful the Ravens are. You argued with Cowboys fans about who had the better OL, you argued with just about everybody that your front-7 was the best in football and that the secondary was going to show up and become one of the best in the league. You argued just about everything possible even on threads that didn't have anything to do with the Ravens making sure everybody knew that you thought they were a great team. And now you are hoping these players that before injury were considered average to above average will all of a sudden come back form injury and become all stars. I guess keep holding onto that dream and maybe you will be found to be right. That is fine. I wouldn't mind playing the Ravens again in the playoffs. Heck that would be fun to have that head to head decide our bet we made before the season. I just hope you are prepared if your team fails. I know I am.

yawn.

 

[Broncos6482]

They have no chance bc Manning is so limited and teams can shut him down...period. Of the teams with a chance in the post season Denver isnt one.

I'll bet you said the same thing about the Patriots and Tom Brady after the first 4 games last year.

 

[Tgann69]

I'll bet you said the same thing about the Patriots and Tom Brady after the first 4 games last year.

Nope...But I always like when the Ravens play NE in the playoffs.

Manning is no deep threat whatsoever...by the time the playoffs comes around team defenses will be tuned up.

Past three years in the playoffs the Broncos have been beaten on their homefield by the Ravens and Manning did dick...next year got destroyed in a huge blowout against Seattle in the SB, then last year were dismantled by a weak Indy D that was abused the next week by NE.

WIth Manning at the helm in the playoffs they will key on Manning load the box stop the run make Manning throw uncomfortable passes...Ravens did it...Seattle did it...Indy did it...

nothing new.

 

[cdumler7]

Nope...But I always like when the Ravens play NE in the playoffs.

Manning is no deep threat whatsoever...by the time the playoffs comes around team defenses will be tuned up.

Past three years in the playoffs the Broncos have been beaten on their homefield by the Ravens and Manning did dick...next year got destroyed in a huge blowout against Seattle in the SB, then last year were dismantled by a weak Indy D that was abused the next week by NE.

WIth Manning at the helm in the playoffs they will key on Manning load the box stop the run make Manning throw uncomfortable passes...Ravens did it...Seattle did it...Indy did it...

nothing new.

I guess you missed the part where the Broncos have the top defense in the NFL. There is plenty new to this team. I guess you missed the part about the whole new coaching staff. The last 3 years when Manning had a bad game the team maybe won 2 games in the last 3 years. So far this year Manning has played average or below average in 3 of the 4 games and guess what the team is undefeated. You are focused so much on Manning that you can't even take the time to look at the rest of the team and the difference among it.

Throw in just like with Manning Flacco is in that same boat of only once winning the Super Bowl. Otherwise the Ravens have been dismantled in the playoffs since he arrived. So why is it different for Manning? Because he has been here longer? That is about the only thing you can hang your hat on at this point.

 

[Tgann69]

I guess you missed the part where the Broncos have the top defense in the NFL. There is plenty new to this team. I guess you missed the part about the whole new coaching staff. The last 3 years when Manning had a bad game the team maybe won 2 games in the last 3 years. So far this year Manning has played average or below average in 3 of the 4 games and guess what the team is undefeated. You are focused so much on Manning that you can't even take the time to look at the rest of the team and the difference among it.

Throw in just like with Manning Flacco is in that same boat of only once winning the Super Bowl. Otherwise the Ravens have been dismantled in the playoffs since he arrived. So why is it different for Manning? Because he has been here longer? That is about the only thing you can hang your hat on at this point.

lol dismantled?

The Ravens have been in every game that I can recall until the final seconds in the playoffs in the last 6-7 years...

Denver not so much and at home no less.

 

[cdumler7]

lol dismantled?

The Ravens have been in every game that I can recall until the final seconds in the playoffs in the last 6-7 years...

Denver not so much and at home no less.

So I guess the 2008 loss by 9 points to Pitt and the 20-3 drubbing by the Colts don't count then.

 

[Tgann69]

So I guess the 2008 loss by 9 points to Pitt and the 20-3 drubbing by the Colts don't count then.

A drubbing is 9 points? and may i remind you that we were on the road you at home and in the SB...brutal

 

[cdumler7]

A drubbing is 9 points? and may i remind you that we were on the road you at home and in the SB...brutal

I'm not trying to justify my team. I know those were bad losses. And yes anything over a touchdown is a pretty bad loss.

 

[Tgann69]

I'm not trying to justify my team. I know those were bad losses. And yes anything over a touchdown is a pretty bad loss.

At home... Losing by more then 7-10 at home must be embarrassing.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Not sure how anyone can say they like their chances when, teams that start 0-3 have less than a 10% chance of making the playoffs. Currently, at 1-3, the Ravens chances of making the playoffs sit a 8.4%. Despite the win against the Steelers, they actually LOST percentage points from 8.5% the previous week.

Interesting.

 

[Tgann69]

Not sure how anyone can say they like their chances when, teams that start 0-3 have less than a 10% chance of making the playoffs. Currently, at 1-3, the Ravens chances of making the playoffs sit a 8.4%. Despite the win against the Steelers, they actually LOST percentage points from 8.5% the previous week.

Interesting.

January.

 

[cdumler7]

Not sure how anyone can say they like their chances when, teams that start 0-3 have less than a 10% chance of making the playoffs. Currently, at 1-3, the Ravens chances of making the playoffs sit a 8.4%. Despite the win against the Steelers, they actually LOST percentage points from 8.5% the previous week.

Interesting.

The reason they lose a percentage point has a lot to do with who won. Because Cincinnati won and owns what is essentially a 4 game lead over the Ravens it lowers their chances of winning the division and making the playoffs. When you throw in there are 5 teams ahead of them in the wild card race with every single team beyond that tied with the Ravens the odds just do not look good. Doesn't mean they are out of it but they better hope about half the teams in the AFC start losing quite a bit. The worst part for the Ravens right now because divisional wins don't mean as much unless you are tied in your division is that they have played all 4 games against AFC opponents and lost 3 of those. IF these were losses to the NFC then not quite as damaging but Conference games play a huge part in playoff seeding.

 

[Tgann69]

QUOTE="cdumler7, post: 7328177, member: 5773"]The reason they lose a percentage point has a lot to do with who won. Because Cincinnati won and owns what is essentially a 4 game lead over the Ravens it lowers their chances of winning the division and making the playoffs. When you throw in there are 5 teams ahead of them in the wild card race with every single team beyond that tied with the Ravens the odds just do not look good. Doesn't mean they are out of it but they better hope about half the teams in the AFC start losing quite a bit. The worst part for the Ravens right now because divisional wins don't mean as much unless you are tied in your division is that they have played all 4 games against AFC opponents and lost 3 of those. IF these were losses to the NFC then not quite as damaging but Conference games play a huge part in playoff seeding.[/QUOTE]



Yawn.

1/4 of season down and the tuffest part of our season over... we shall see...

 

[Oldschool739]

Yeah, they're 2-2 because you guys blew it by not beating them.

Look what the Bengals did to them. The Raiders are getting better, but if you want to be a playoff team that's a game you must win.

Later in the year I would agree, but most teams have a game or 2 each year that one or both sides of the ball is out to lunch on...
Could come back to haunt us but I'm looking more toward the fact that we not only should've won all 3 of those games, we were on the brink in all...
It's a game of inches, and we came up a few inches short...Maybe a good wake up call to push us to the best we can be and go on a tare at just the right time....Too early to tell right now, but you can book it that some of these quick start teams will fall off later in the season as well...

 

[Oldschool739]

The reason they lose a percentage point has a lot to do with who won. Because Cincinnati won and owns what is essentially a 4 game lead over the Ravens it lowers their chances of winning the division and making the playoffs. When you throw in there are 5 teams ahead of them in the wild card race with every single team beyond that tied with the Ravens the odds just do not look good. Doesn't mean they are out of it but they better hope about half the teams in the AFC start losing quite a bit. The worst part for the Ravens right now because divisional wins don't mean as much unless you are tied in your division is that they have played all 4 games against AFC opponents and lost 3 of those. IF these were losses to the NFC then not quite as damaging but Conference games play a huge part in playoff seeding.

You're not taking into consideration that those 5 teams ahead right now could very easily and some are a pretty sure bet to slump with 12 games left to play....
You should know that !!

 

[cdumler7]

QUOTE="cdumler7, post: 7328177, member: 5773"]The reason they lose a percentage point has a lot to do with who won. Because Cincinnati won and owns what is essentially a 4 game lead over the Ravens it lowers their chances of winning the division and making the playoffs. When you throw in there are 5 teams ahead of them in the wild card race with every single team beyond that tied with the Ravens the odds just do not look good. Doesn't mean they are out of it but they better hope about half the teams in the AFC start losing quite a bit. The worst part for the Ravens right now because divisional wins don't mean as much unless you are tied in your division is that they have played all 4 games against AFC opponents and lost 3 of those. IF these were losses to the NFC then not quite as damaging but Conference games play a huge part in playoff seeding.

Yawn.

1/4 of season down and the tuffest part of our season over... we shall see...[/QUOTE]

What in there did I say that is not true? Conference losses are much more devastating come playoff seeding than that of non-conference games. That is not me trolling that is just fact. AT the end of the year as we have seen in years past where 5 teams are all tied for that final spot into the playoffs those are the things that matter.

I wasn't saying it to rag on the Ravens. I was saying why the team's chances of making the playoffs went down even after a divisional win. It is rare for something like that to happen but it does happen when especially the divisional leader wins another game making it that much more unlikely that you guys can win the division making the playoff chances drop dramatically.

 

[cdumler7]

You're not taking into consideration that those 5 teams ahead right now could very easily and some are a pretty sure bet to slump with 12 games left to play....
You should know that !!

I do know that and good chance a couple of them do but also good chance that some of them don't and get to that 9-10 win area. I mean right now the Jets look like a pretty darn decent team with a great running game and a very good to great defense. That is usually a recipe for success. Throw in there is just as likely a chance another 1-3 team gets on a roll at some point this season. So again as I said above the chances of the Ravens making the playoffs is not over but it is definitely a major uphill climb. More likely than not they do not make the playoffs. That is not trolling that is just fact. Again they still can as they are not statistically out of the playoffs by a long shot.

 

[Oldschool739]

I do know that and good chance a couple of them do but also good chance that some of them don't and get to that 9-10 win area. I mean right now the Jets look like a pretty darn decent team with a great running game and a very good to great defense. That is usually a recipe for success. Throw in there is just as likely a chance another 1-3 team gets on a roll at some point this season. So again as I said above the chances of the Ravens making the playoffs is not over but it is definitely a major uphill climb. More likely than not they do not make the playoffs. That is not trolling that is just fact. Again they still can as they are not statistically out of the playoffs by a long shot.

It's still just speculation to draw those scenarios....You really think the Jets are gonna be there, I don't....
And with Miami tanking and Buffalo is about to take the Rexy cra-cra Plunge, KC doesn't look consistent , and you don't know that if PM is gonna be able to continue winning these close games.....
Anything can happen and 4 games in is useless to make predictions because most all of them will be wrong...

 

[cdumler7]

It's still just speculation to draw those scenarios....You really think the Jets are gonna be there, I don't....
And with Miami tanking and Buffalo is about to take the Rexy cra-cra Plunge, KC doesn't look consistent , and you don't know that if PM is gonna be able to continue winning these close games.....
Anything can happen and 4 games in is useless to make predictions because most all of them will be wrong...

You are right to a degree. 4 games in a lot is left to be decided. History shows us though teams like the Ravens who started 0-3 rarely ever make the playoffs. In fact since 1990 (25 years) only 3 teams have accomplished this. Heck since 1981 only 5 teams have made it and the 1982 Bucs who did did so because so many players were striking at the time and they ended up taking extra teams to the post season. So essentially 4 teams since 1981 have started 0-3 and made the playoffs. Also the last team to do so was the 1998 Bills. Only 1 of these 5 teams that made the playoffs advanced further than the Wild Card round and they lost in the divisional round. So again not a death blow to start 0-3 but it has shown in history that very few teams can recover from such a start.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I don't think Detroit is dead yet honestly.... I think they can play much better than what they have... tough schedule hasn't helped them... But I get the feeling they're gonna play much better football before it's all said and done... They do need to improve there running game though...