On the bright side...

[trojanfan12]

I hear you TJF12. I think they are going to be forced to go back to rebuilding through the draft and that is why the Gasol trade makes sense because draft picks are involved. Now if we can just get somebody to take Nash and his contract.

Actually, there is no need to get someone to take Nash's contract. The Lakers have a couple of options re: his contract that help the cap situation. If he can somehow get through this nerve root issue and play at a level close to where he was before it happened, then they have someone who can contribute and who can mentor the young guards.

If he can't get through it, then he can medically retire, still get paid the balance of his contract and not have it count against the cap. If he doesn't medically retire, then the Lakers can release him and use the stretch provision to free up more cap space.


Also, the Lakers don't have to re-build strictly through the draft. With the cap space that is coming up, they can use the draft, free agency and trades to re-build. This is pretty much how they've always done it, they just have to be a bit more careful because of the cap restrictions.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

Every coach has their whooping boy. Clark was D'Antoni's and Pau was Phil's.

Here's the thing though do you think a Free agent superstar want's to play under Dumbtoni ??

Sloan is about as old as Phil and wouldn't have coached much longer than Phil would have, Byron Scott has had both head coaching stints end badly and Shaw was/is unproven. Of course Phil laughed at hiring D'Antoni over him. Hell, D'Antoni laughed at getting hired over Phil. He said he was shocked. None of that means that he wasn't the best coach available.

Neither did Dumbtoni end his tenure well i n NY it went bad, Dumbtoni suck balls....period! I dont know why you Advocate for the guy so much, his not going to help us win a title even with a future better roster, his a one & done IMO 1st round exit coach.

85% of Lakers fans want D'Antoni gone because he's not Phil. If Phil had never been in the picture, very few would be complaining about D'Antoni because they'd be comparing D'Antoni to Mike Brown, not Phil.

I think by now most fans are over the Phil thing, it's because we see his not really a great coach any ways, when it come to X & O's he has no clue. This guy is better suited for coaching a High School team IMO, not the pro's

#FireDumbtoni2014

 

[Retroram52]

Yea TJF12, I have outlined the process in other threads. The Dr. Buss model is re-building through the draft then add one or two really good FAs to complement and complete the puzzle.

 

[trojanfan12]

Here's the thing though do you think a Free agent superstar want's to play under Dumbtoni ??



Neither did Dumbtoni end his tenure well i n NY it went bad, Dumbtoni suck balls....period! I dont know why you Advocate for the guy so much, his not going to help us win a title even with a future better roster, his a one & done IMO 1st round exit coach.




I think by now most fans are over the Phil thing, it's because we see his not really a great coach any ways, when it come to X & O's he has no clue. This guy is better suited for coaching a High School team IMO, not the pro's

Yes, I think there are plenty of superstar FA's that would like to play in D'Antoni's system. It's a player friendly system. Guys like Lebron, Westbrook, Durant (just to name a few) would be unreal in his system and Love would be the perfect stretch 4 for his system.

D'Antoni's tenure ended badly in New York because of 'Melo, not D'Antoni. 'Melo (unlike Kobe) refused to even try and learn D'Antoni's system. He came back and immediately started with his iso crap. Look at the Knicks played under D'Antoni when 'Melo was out and how the Knicks have played since. They were competitive with D'Antoni and no 'Melo. They've been a shitshow since 'Melo came back.

I disagree about people being over Phil. He's mentioned all of the time. As for X's and O's. Since the Lakers hired him, when has D'Antoni had a roster full of players that fit his system? D'Antoni was hired and told to bring his system. It's up to management to get the players to fit it. Because of the new CBA, that will take a little time.

Look at the current roster and the injuries and tell me who could do better? Heck, even Jerry West said that given the circumstances, D'Antoni has done an amazing job.


As for 1 and done 1st round exits, how many of those did he have in Phoenix? He had the Suns within a Robert Horry cheap shot on Steve Nash from being in the finals.


I advocate for D'Antoni because I've seen what his system can do when he has the players to run it.

No offense, but I'm going to take the word of the Logo over yours, mine or anyone else's.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yea TJF12, I have outlined the process in other threads. The Dr. Buss model is re-building through the draft then add one or two really good FAs to complement and complete the puzzle.

I believe that is what we are beginning to see happening.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

Yes, I think there are plenty of superstar FA's that would like to play in D'Antoni's system. It's a player friendly system. Guys like Lebron, Westbrook, Durant (just to name a few) would be unreal in his system and Love would be the perfect stretch 4 for his system.

I doubt these guys would want to play for him, his a DICK, maybe they could be interested in the system, but that's not tempting enough for them to want to play for him. Especially Lebum

As for 1 and done 1st round exits, how many of those did he have in Phoenix? He had the Suns within a Robert Horry cheap shot on Steve Nash from being in the finals.

That was only one season, it's been a long time since his been relevant again with a team.

I advocate for D'Antoni because I've seen what his system can do when he has the players to run it.

No offense, but I'm going to take the word of the Logo over yours, mine or anyone else's.

You don't have to take mines I'm just giving you my perceptive opinion on why he is irrelevant to many Laker fans & not always are the greats like the logo correct just because they open their mouths. If the logo says jump off a bridge because it will make you brave ? are you going to do it ?? No way I'm smarter then that, It's suicide keeping Dumbtoni.

I believe the Lakers are smarter then this, get rid off Dantoni after this season get a real coach & start the rebuilding process. Then we can be optimist about the upcoming season.

 

[trojanfan12]

I doubt these guys would want to play for him, his a DICK, maybe they could be interested in the system, but that's not tempting enough for them to want to play for him. Especially Lebum




That was only one season, it's been a long time since his been relevant again with a team.




You don't have to take mines I'm just giving you my perceptive opinion on why he is irrelevant to many Laker fans & not always are the greats like the logo correct just because they open their mouths. If the logo says jump off a bridge because it will make you brave ? are you going to do it ?? No way I'm smarter then that, It's suicide keeping Dumbtoni.

I believe the Lakers are smarter then this, get rid off Dantoni after this season get a real coach & start the rebuilding process. Then we can be optimist about the upcoming season.

You call him a dick, but you give no reason why other than how he treated Clark. Guess what, Phil treated Pau worse than D'Antoni treated Clark, did it very publically and Pau was much more important to the Lakers success than Earl Clark. I guess that makes Phil a dick too.

D'Antoni's success in Phoenix was more than just one season.

And jump off a bridge because Jerry West said to? Really?!? Clearly your disdain for D'Antoni involves more than basketball. Did he cut you off on the freeway or something?

Jerry West is one of the most respected players and GM's in NBA history. He had a big hand in building and sustaining both the Showtime Lakers and the Kobe/Shaq Lakers and has been sought out by virtually every team in the league for his expertise.

So while I may not jump off a bridge because he said so, I definitely will listen and give a lot more credibility to his opinion than pretty much anyone else's.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

You call him a dick, but you give no reason why other than how he treated Clark. Guess what, Phil treated Pau worse than D'Antoni treated Clark, did it very publically and Pau was much more important to the Lakers success than Earl Clark. I guess that makes Phil a dick too.

Phil Jackson & Gasol had respect for each other though & most of the chest pumping was because coach Phil Jackson was trying to motivate him, PhilJackson is one the best coaches ever that had tremendous respect for his players. You cant say the same for Dumbtoni, Dumbtoni has had his problems with his player a little too much for whatever reason, Melo,Maurberry,Gasol,Howard,Clark,Kaman. it just seems he bumps heads alot with his players, that's not a secret his not the most like able coach to get alog with.

And jump off a bridge because Jerry West said to? Really?!? Clearly your disdain for D'Antoni involves more than basketball. Did he cut you off on the freeway or something?

No I go by what I see on the court & his post Laker interviews that are just laughable & I'm not the only Laker fan that see's this. Remember he thinks we should root for a new team

Jerry West is one of the most respected players and GM's in NBA history. He had a big hand in building and sustaining both the Showtime Lakers and the Kobe/Shaq Lakers and has been sought out by virtually every team in the league for his expertise.

So while I may not jump off a bridge because he said so, I definitely will listen and give a lot more credibility to his opinion than pretty much anyone else's.

I know all of this already & know what he did for the Laker franchise, nobody is saying his not a basketball mind, but that doesn't mean you always have to take his word for it just because his the logo. I rather first see what's going on with my own eyes & then I would agree with an NBA expert when he gives his comment's & opinions on a certain matter if I see eye to eye with him.

Heck there's been time's when I even thought Magic Johnson would say stupid opinions, where i thought he was being delusional

 

[lakersrule]

Also, trading Pau frees up more playing time for Kelly so we can see what he has

More Kelly please! In all seriousness, let's see what this kid can do with some consistent playing time. He is already a better defender than Pau. He at least gives effort, something Square Peg Pau (like the name TF12) is failing to do!!

 

[trojanfan12]

Phil Jackson & Gasol had respect for each other though & most of the chest pumping was because coach Phil Jackson was trying to motivate him, PhilJackson is one the best coaches ever that had tremendous respect for his players. You cant say the same for Dumbtoni, Dumbtoni has had his problems with his player a little too much for whatever reason, Melo,Maurberry,Gasol,Howard,Clark,Kaman. it just seems he bumps heads alot with his players, that's not a secret his not the most like able coach to get alog with.



No I go by what I see on the court & his post Laker interviews that are just laughable & I'm not the only Laker fan that see's this. Remember he thinks we should root for a new team



I know all of this already & know what he did for the Laker franchise, nobody is saying his not a basketball mind, but that doesn't mean you always have to take his word for it just because his the logo. I rather first see what's going on with my own eyes & then I would agree with an NBA expert when he gives his comment's & opinions on a certain matter if I see eye to eye with him.

Heck there's been time's when I even thought Magic Johnson would say stupid opinions, where i thought he was being delusional

I don't know what else to tell you. Your mind is made up and you're trying to act like issues with players like 'Melo, Howard and Marbury fall on D'Antoni when they have had issues with every coach any of them have played for. The only issue between Pau and D'Antoni is that Pau doesn't fit D'Antoni's system, it is what it is and isn't the fault of either of them.

I don't think you are being objective when it comes to D'Antoni. You're not looking at the situation that he was dropped in to. There is no coach who could have done much, if any, better than what D'Antoni has done given the circumstances.

And I agree with D'Antoni. Fans who have issues with what is happening probably should go find another team. It's a re-build and it's going to take a little time and sometimes it will be ugly. If some fans don't want to have patience and let this thing play out, maybe they can be Heat fans, I hear they'll take anybody!!

Look, I'm not saying D'Antoni is the answer. I'm saying that we have a very small and unfair sample size to make a determination about it.

What I have seen under D'Antoni is a team that plays hard every night and is fun to watch. I have seen this team suffer injury after injury. I cannot remember a time in NBA history when I have seen a team lose all 3 point guards. The Lakers have lost Nash, Blake, Farmar, Kobe, Xavier and Pau for at least a couple of games and the season is only 31 games old.

Seems to me that D'Antoni's issue is that he isn't a faith healer who can just lay hands on players to heal their injuries.

Also, just because you disagree with what Jerry West said, doesn't make him wrong. If he agreed with your opinion, you'd be using that to back up your opinion just like I did. Given what Jerry West has accomplished though, I'd bet that it's more likely that he's right.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

I don't know what else to tell you. Your mind is made up and you're trying to act like issues with players like 'Melo, Howard and Marbury fall on D'Antoni when they have had issues with every coach any of them have played for. The only issue between Pau and D'Antoni is that Pau doesn't fit D'Antoni's system, it is what it is and isn't the fault of either of them.

So you're saying his a like able coach & players would love to play for him in a heart beat ?? hhmmm!

I don't think you are being objective when it comes to D'Antoni. You're not looking at the situation that he was dropped in to. There is no coach who could have done much, if any, better than what D'Antoni has done given the circumstances.

How i'm I not looking at the situation ?? I see the same thing you see on laker games,post games, Radio Shows & see clearly what's going on with the team. From pre game to post game, to backstage Lakers. I now the situation he was dropped in since last season, but that doesn't mean his relevant. I mean the same thing happen to coach Brown, but it was time for him to kick rocks

And I agree with D'Antoni. Fans who have issues with what is happening probably should go find another team. It's a re-build and it's going to take a little time and sometimes it will be ugly. If some fans don't want to have patience and let this thing play out, maybe they can be Heat fans, I hear they'll take anybody!!.

This was one of the dumbest shit he could of said in the 1st place, Laker fans pay a lot of money & have been fans for many generation, but that was him opening his stupid mouth to talk shit. I'm pretty sure the front office did not like that, & like James Worthy said "I don't agree with what he said we Laker fans are die hard fans, he should of not said that"

Agreeing with him is just blasphemy but each to his own.

What I have seen under D'Antoni is a team that plays hard every night and is fun to watch. I have seen this team suffer injury after injury. I cannot remember a time in NBA history when I have seen a team lose all 3 point guards. The Lakers have lost Nash, Blake, Farmar, Kobe, Xavier and Pau for at least a couple of games and the season is only 31 games old.

Seems to me that D'Antoni's issue is that he isn't a faith healer who can just lay hands on players to heal their injuries.

A team being fun too watch is all gravy & everything, but this team needs a coach who's more of a leader & demands respect in the locker room & preaches defense IMO. Yes injuries happen & are a part of the game we all know that, but there is more to it. I watch a lot of games with laker fans & we always catch some dumb shit that Dumbtoni calls,plays,substitutions or does on live TV & are just like " yep that's coach dumbtoni for you "

Also, just because you disagree with what Jerry West said, doesn't make him wrong. If he agreed with your opinion, you'd be using that to back up your opinion just like I did. Given what Jerry West has accomplished though, I'd bet that it's more likely that he's right.

I didn't say because I disagree with some one that his analogy could be wrong I just don't agree if we don't see eye to eye. Remember once someone starts to get old & that Alzheimer disease starts to kick in, these older folks they start to lose touch with reality & are not as sharp as they once wore. You have a lot of greats that sometime say great opinions & sometimes they leave you in shock. All I'm saying is that there our times when I'm pretty sure we don't agree with them just because they no far more. I mean you see it all the time in social media now. Look at what Jim Brown said about Kobe as an example, that was stupid, dumb old man

 

[trojanfan12]

So you're saying his a like able coach & players would love to play for him in a heart beat ?? hhmmm!

No, I'm saying that they wouldn't have the issue with it that you say they would. It's a player friendly system.


How i'm I not looking at the situation ?? I see the same thing you see on laker games,post games, Radio Shows & see clearly what's going on with the team. From pre game to post game, to backstage Lakers. I now the situation he was dropped in since last season, but that doesn't mean his relevant. I mean the same thing happen to coach Brown, but it was time for him to kick rocks

It's different situations. Mike Brown wasn't hired instead of Phil Jackson like D'Antoni was and he brought in an offense that no one wanted to play. Also, Mike Brown wasn't dealing with the injuries that D'Antoni has dealt with. So no, the same thing didn't happen to him.




This was one of the dumbest shit he could of said in the 1st place, Laker fans pay a lot of money & have been fans for many generation, but that was him opening his stupid mouth to talk shit. I'm pretty sure the front office did not like that, & like James Worthy said "I don't agree with what he said we Laker fans are die hard fans, he should of not said that"

Agreeing with him is just blasphemy but each to his own.

So me agreeing with Jerry West is wrong, but you agreeing with James Worthy isn't? Interesting bit of hypocrisy you have there.


A team being fun too watch is all gravy & everything, but this team needs a coach who's more of a leader & demands respect in the locker room & preaches defense IMO. Yes injuries happen & are a part of the game we all know that, but there is more to it. I watch a lot of games with laker fans & we always catch some dumb shit that Dumbtoni calls,plays,substitutions or does on live TV & are just like " yep that's coach dumbtoni for you "

This team needs to get healthy so that they can actually have some time on the floor together and finish building the chemistry that we were all praising them for before all of these injuries hit.


I didn't say because I disagree with some one that his analogy could be wrong I just don't agree if we don't see eye to eye. Remember once someone starts to get old & that Alzheimer disease starts to kick in, these older folks they start to lose touch with reality & are not as sharp as they once wore. You have a lot of greats that sometime say great opinions & sometimes they leave you in shock. All I'm saying is that there our times when I'm pretty sure we don't agree with them just because they no far more. I mean you see it all the time in social media now. Look at what Jim Brown said about Kobe as an example, that was stupid, dumb old man

It's clear from your last comment that you have lost it. Jerry West disagrees with your opinion because of Alzheimer's?!? Seriously?!? No point in even discussing it any further when you post something like that.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

It's clear from your last comment that you have lost it. Jerry West disagrees with your opinion because of Alzheimer's?!? Seriously?!? No point in even discussing it any further when you post something like that.

I'm not saying Jerry has any disease, I'm giving you an example on how some other experts start to lose it & are fucken idiots, you missed read my comprehension, & when did I say Jerry Disagrees with me ??, Heck I most of the time agree with him. This debate is about why you feel Dumbtoni is relevant & why I don't feel he is. If you took something the wrong way I did not say something in a malicious intent.

All i'm giving you are examples, but if you cant go any further on the debate that's fine with me, I had a great time doing it, becauase It's rare to see a Dumbtoni supporter, but kudos to you for it!

 

[trojanfan12]

I'm not saying Jerry has any disease, I'm giving you an example on how some other experts start to lose it & are fucken idiots, you missed read my comprehension, & when did I say Jerry Disagrees with me ??, Heck I most of the time agree with him. This debate is about why you feel Dumbtoni is relevant & why I don't feel he is. If you took something the wrong way I did not say something in a malicious intent.

All i'm giving you are examples, but if you cant go any further on the debate that's fine with me, I had a great time doing it, becauase It's rare to see a Dumbtoni supporter, but kudos to you for it!

You specifically said: "Remember once someone starts to get old & that Alzheimer disease starts to kick in, these older folks they start to lose touch with reality & are not as sharp as they once wore". I didn't misread anything, it's what you said. So you implied that Jerry West stating that D'Antoni has done an amazing job was because of Alzheimer's.

It's not so much about being a D'Antoni supporter as it is about not wanting to see the Lakers with a coaching carousel. D'Antoni has proven that his system can work very well when he has the players to run it. The Lakers need time to get him those players.

If you want to guarantee that no max free agents want to join the Lakers, then by all means, fire D'Antoni and bring in the 4th head coach in 4 years. Nothing spells stability in an organization like changing coaches more often than underwear.

Also, what "relevant" coach is going to want to go to a franchise whose last 2 coaches were fired after less than 2 seasons?

Some Lakers fans amaze me with their duplicity. All everyone said last season was that we need to get younger and more athletic to keep up with the rest of the league. So the Lakers get a coach that has proven that he can win playing the type of basketball that we all agree they need to play, but then want to call that coach a failure and fire him before management gets him the players he needs.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

You specifically said: "Remember once someone starts to get old & that Alzheimer disease starts to kick in, these older folks they start to lose touch with reality & are not as sharp as they once wore". I didn't misread anything, it's what you said. So you implied that Jerry West stating that D'Antoni has done an amazing job was because of Alzheimer's.

Am giving you clearly example of how some of these old timer's can forget shit or talk dumb shit, I gave you an example of how Jim Brown was an idiot, but you're taking it the wrong way. I'm not saying that Jerry is one of them, I'm just letting you know they can be wrong at times & some of them can be real stupid.

If you want to guarantee that no max free agents want to join the Lakers, then by all means, fire D'Antoni and bring in the 4th head coach in 4 years. Nothing spells stability in an organization like changing coaches more often than underwear.

Also, what "relevant" coach is going to want to go to a franchise whose last 2 coaches were fired after less than 2 seasons?

Oh I dont guarantee anything one thing Ive learned in sports is that anything can happen, but IMO our chances are pretty much against the Lakers next season in aquiring a top FA, since Melo & Lebron most likely ain't coming here, it's just the reality of how next season could look like.

And as far as a relevant coach wanting to come here I don't see why not ? It's LA pack your belongings & welcome to the warm weather & the Lakers (It's a no brainer)

Some Lakers fans amaze me with their duplicity. All everyone said last season was that we need to get younger and more athletic to keep up with the rest of the league. So the Lakers get a coach that has proven that he can win playing the type of basketball that we all agree they need to play, but then want to call that coach a failure and fire him before management gets him the players he needs.

Well I don't if your'e confusing me with those fans, but I never wanted him in the 1st place & i'm not saying fire the guy because they have failed, no I have given clear reason why I want him gone, I'm not about two repeat them just scroll down & read what I posted before in our earlier debates. I give facts & relevant staetments IMO that could make sense. I don't just talk out of my ass, like some fans for example " Oh well fire him because everybody is injured & we lost 4 in a row it's time for a new coach " - dumb Laker fans

Thats' not me buddy I'm not Incomprehensible.

 

[Louie26]

Perhaps TJF12, the Lakers made the biggest blunder before they hired Mike Brown by not promoting Brian Shaw, who, at the time, had everyone's blessing except Short Buss or whomever made the decision to hire Brown.

This!!

 

[trojanfan12]

Am giving you clearly example of how some of these old timer's can forget shit or talk dumb shit, I gave you an example of how Jim Brown was an idiot, but you're taking it the wrong way. I'm not saying that Jerry is one of them, I'm just letting you know they can be wrong at times & some of them can be real stupid.

Just because Jerry West is older, doesn't mean he's wrong. It just means that he disagrees with you. You bring up James Worthy who agrees with you and yet, say Jerry West is wrong because he doesn't.

With age comes experience and wisdom. I'd say that Jerry West has proven himself to be plenty wise.



Oh I dont guarantee anything one thing Ive learned in sports is that anything can happen, but IMO our chances are pretty much against the Lakers next season in aquiring a top FA, since Melo & Lebron most likely ain't coming here, it's just the reality of how next season could look like.

The only max level FA worth pursuing in the upcoming group is Lebron. 'Melo doesn't belong anywhere on the Lakers radar. He'd be the worst of Kobe minus the defense. They should make a very attractive offer to Lebron and if he turns it down (as we both agree he will), then add a couple of solid role player types and go after Kevin Love and someone else over the next couple of groups.


And as far as a relevant coach wanting to come here I don't see why not ? It's LA pack your belongings & welcome to the warm weather & the Lakers (It's a no brainer)


Well I don't if your'e confusing me with those fans, but I never wanted him in the 1st place & i'm not saying fire the guy because they have failed, no I have given clear reason why I want him gone, I'm not about two repeat them just scroll down & read what I posted before in our earlier debates. I give facts & relevant staetments IMO that could make sense. I don't just talk out of my ass, like some fans for example " Oh well fire him because everybody is injured & we lost 4 in a row it's time for a new coach " - dumb Laker fans

Thats' not me buddy I'm not Incomprehensible.

It's not as simple as going to some coach that YOU think is relevant and saying: "Hey bud, it's L.A. Come enjoy the sunshine and tasty waves". Any coach worth hiring is going to want to know that he will be given time to get his system in place and show what he can do. Firing 2 coaches in a row after less than 2 seasons, does not show an organization that is willing to that.

As for being a fan and your reasons for wanting D'Antoni gone, your reasons are about what he has been given to coach, not his coaching. Instead of bitching and namecalling, how about supporting the players AND coaches (whether you like them or not) and see what happens over the next 2-3 seasons?

If D'Antoni gets the roster he needs and the team still isn't performing as expected, then by all means, get rid of him. At least then, they will have sent a message that they will give a new coach a chance.

If the Lakers do that, then it could set up like when they got Phil the first time. Del Harris coached the Lakers from 1994-2000. He won Coach of the Year in 1995. The Lakers put together a championship roster and Del just couldn't get them to the finals. They fired him, brought in Phil and the rest is history. I seriously doubt that Phil would have come if the Lakers were firing coaches after less than 2 seasons rather than showing commitment.


Then, the Lakers would have a contending roster that any coach would want to come and coach.

 

[trojanfan12]

Perhaps TJF12, the Lakers made the biggest blunder before they hired Mike Brown by not promoting Brian Shaw, who, at the time, had everyone's blessing except Short Buss or whomever made the decision to hire Brown.

This!!

I don't necessarily disagree with this, but I understand why they would do it. They handled it poorly, however.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

It's not as simple as going to some coach that YOU think is relevant and saying: "Hey bud, it's L.A. Come enjoy the sunshine and tasty waves". Any coach worth hiring is going to want to know that he will be given time to get his system in place and show what he can do. Firing 2 coaches in a row after less than 2 seasons, does not show an organization that is willing to that.

No but you make it seem like if they cant get a good coach to come here of course they could, despite the fact that 2 coaches have been fired in 2 seasons. Now I'm not saying it's guaranteed because you think i guarantee things, but yes it could still happen right ?

As for being a fan and your reasons for wanting D'Antoni gone, your reasons are about what he has been given to coach, not his coaching. Instead of bitching and namecalling, how about supporting the players AND coaches (whether you like them or not) and see what happens over the next 2-3 seasons?

Who say's I'm not supporting the players & coaches you're just assuming that, so I guess I'm not a Laker fan or support them because I'm not impress by Dumbtoni, Is that what you think ?

& as far as name calling, shit I have the right to call teams & players dumb asses if I'm paying cable TV & Laker tickets if I see something I don't like, it's the same thing as booing, nothing wrong with that, I'm a fan of the game & shout & scream during exciting plays & bone headed plays, who doesn't do that ? worry when I don't give any reaction then maybe I'm dead on the couch. Somebody zapp me with a defibrillator "CLEAR" :laser:

If D'Antoni gets the roster he needs and the team still isn't performing as expected, then by all means, get rid of him. At least then, they will have sent a message that they will give a new coach a chance.

If the Lakers do that, then it could set up like when they got Phil the first time. Del Harris coached the Lakers from 1994-2000. He won Coach of the Year in 1995. The Lakers put together a championship roster and Del just couldn't get them to the finals. They fired him, brought in Phil and the rest is history. I seriously doubt that Phil would have come if the Lakers were firing coaches after less than 2 seasons rather than showing commitment.

Then, the Lakers would have a contending roster that any coach would want to come and coach.

This is your opinion but it doesn't mean it will happen that way wich is cool, but I believe the Laker can still get a good coach, even if Dumbtoni was to be let go of this season or after the season Is done. I really don't care if he stay this season, but I'm ok with letting him go after the season If someone more of a Leader IMO can come in & maybe have a similiar style to Dumbtoni's system since you like it so much, wich I dont have a problem with on offense at times, but maybe a little more defensive minded at the same time.

 

[trojanfan12]

No but you make it seem like if they cant get a good coach to come here of course they could, despite the fact that 2 coaches have been fired in 2 seasons. Now I'm not saying it's guaranteed becauase you think i guarantee things, but yes it could still happen right ?

You need to remember, firing a coach is the easy part. Hiring someone better, not so much. Of course the Lakers could fire D'Antoni right now or even right after the season and still get a better coach, but it would make it less likely. All of these coaches that you think would be better, know the situation that D'Antoni is in and likely do not blame him for the current situation. They know what the roster was like last year, they know the current roster and they know the injuries. If the Lakers fired D'Antoni with all of that, it would show instability within the organization. There are already questions about the direction of the franchise since Dr. Buss passed. Why create more questions by firing a coach who was never given a chance to win?




Who say's I'm not supporting the players & coaches you're just assuming that, so I guess I'm not a Laker fan or support them because I'm not impress by Dumbtoni, Is that what you think ?

& as far as name calling, shit I have the right to call teams & players dumb asses if I'm paying cable TV & Laker tickets if I see something I don't like, it's the same thing as booing, nothing wrong with that.

Question and namecall all you want then. Personally, I prefer to be more positive and patient. I'm not saying I don't get frustrated at times myself. But, I prefer a more positive approach and am willing to give D'Antoni a fair shot before I start calling for his head. This is why I rarely post in the game threads anymore. Too much negativity. This team was performing better than expected prior to all of the injuries, but no one wanted to give D'Antoni credit. Then, the team gets decimated by injuries and people want him fired as if the injuries are somehow his fault. I don't choose to be that type of fan.

Let's say I'm right and the Lakers end up being contenders again under D'Antoni. What will you say then? Will you still call him Dumbtoni and think they can do better?


This is your opinion but it doesn't mean it will happen that way wich is cool, but I believe the Laker can still get a good coach, even if Dumbtoni was to be let go of this season or after the season Is done. I really don't care if he stay this season, but I'm ok with letting him go after the season If someone more of a Leader IMO can come in & maybe have a similiar style to Dumbtoni's system since you like it so much, wich I like also, but maybe a little more defensive minded at the same time.

And you have your opinion which may or not happen, just like mine. Funny that you like D'Antoni's system but think he can't coach the system that he developed. As for defensive minded, that's why Rambis was hired. The problem isn't D'Antoni not allowing Rambis to do his job, the problem is that all of the injuries have caused too many lineup changes to allow the consistency and communication that is required to have a solid defense.