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[Sleepy T]

so you are on record for giving up 2 1st rounders and the salary it would cost if KC walks ? understanding it isnt your 1st option

Stafford. Yes.

Carr....ehh. Yeah, I would probably do it.

If that happened (Kirk walked) we would be in desperation mode, and that would be better than the alternative, starting over with a rookie and being completely irrelevant for 3-5 years.

 

[ehb5]

Draft position is highly dependent upon athleticism, something that is mitigated to truly unimportant in the NFL.

Physical prowess is overrated at the QB position...Manning, Brady, And Montana, widely considered the top three ever, were not and are not any better, likely worse, athletes than KC.

It's still important there are just other factors. Aaron rodgers has all physical talent in the world and it sure as hell helps him. Cousins does have adequate physical talent though.

 

[skinsdad62]

Stafford. Yes.

Carr....ehh. Yeah, I would probably do it.

If that happened (Kirk walked) we would be in desperation mode, and that would be better than the alternative, starting over with a rookie and being completely irrelevant for 3-5 years.

good , now we know where you stand

 

[ehb5]

no its the answer you gave and it makes sense

I just mean that I could be wrong. It's close. On the one hand, you're getting a much more proven commodity. On the other I don't think any of the 3 are worth getting to excited about. So are you better using those 2 firsts to take another swing at it... I don't know.

 

[Sleepy T]

Double post

 

[skinsdad62]

I just mean that I could be wrong. It's close. On the one hand, you're getting a much more proven commodity. On the other I don't think any of the 3 are worth getting to excited about. So are you better using those 2 firsts to take another swing at it... I don't know.

those 3 guys are the best available (lack of better term ) for 2018 and you have to weigh things

 

[ehb5]

those 3 guys are the best available (lack of better term ) for 2018 and you have to weigh things

I'll say this. If a team offered us 2 firsts for Cousins right now? Id take it.

If he leaves next year and we can get carr or Stafford for 2 firsts then... id pass.

 

[BeaReylo]

we would want them to get paid more ... that is a good thing for us, no ?

and they deserve to get paid more based on where they were drafted ...

Cousins is a 4th round mutt ... and will never have the pedigree of stafford

but that doesnt mean he cant get paid

however ... Carr & stafford will set the asking price ... not the other way around

What a player does on field; as well as the numbers they put up trump where they were drafted.

 

[gkekoa]

I don't disagree with your points. Even though it may be mitigated to unimportant, it doesn't change the fact that prospects with superior arms, accuracy, intangibles, athleticism, or most likely, a combination of these attributes will be drafted high. Kirk was good in some of these areas, but not superior in any.

The Mannings were exceptionally in their mechanics, intangibles, and had the pedigree.
Brady is just anomaly. But his accuracy and intelligence are off the charts.
Montana, not a very good example, from a different era. Not sure how well he would do today?

Brady isn't that accurate oddly enough. Watch his games closely.

Intangibles at the college level are not relevant.

Arm talent and athleticism are the things people swoon over.

Accuracy really isn't that big a deal either oddly enough.



The point is, draft position after a rookie contract should have zero bearing on a contract and mostly does. The market determines the contract at that point. That is the reason KC is going to be the highest paid QB in the league.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Well, with regards to Stafford, he has gotten it done and played well over a longer period of time for the shittiest franchise (tied with Cleveland) in the NFL. Funny we are debating this because Polian was JUST talking about it on NFL Live. He said Cousins is good, Stafford is in the "elite" category with a handful of others. Doesn't make it truth. None of us know the future.

Carr is a push. He is younger and KCs equal at the moment. I just think physically he is more gifted. Doesn't necessarily mean better, but often, gifted = great, while not so gifted = not quite as great, at least over the long haul.

51-61 (while having the best WR in the game during most of that time) & 16-16 in the last two seasons (& having basically the same stats as Cousins - maybe a little worse) is getting it done? Really? OK.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

i would agree with this ...

granted our defense was shit ....

his comeback drive vs us last year ... yeah, thats what makes a QB "elite"

you can not take that away from him just because our defense ran out of gas

Really? I seem to recall Cousins had a great comeback drive just before that in the same game. The Redskins should have won that game going away, but were let down by a crap defense & a RB who could not hold onto the ball. BTW - as I pointed out elsewhere - besides the Redskins game Stafford did not beat one winning team last season (an area where so-called experts always badmouth Cousins).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Brady isn't that accurate oddly enough. Watch his games closely.

Intangibles at the college level are not relevant.

Arm talent and athleticism are the things people swoon over.

Accuracy really isn't that big a deal either oddly enough.



The point is, draft position after a rookie contract should have zero bearing on a contract and mostly does. The market determines the contract at that point. That is the reason KC is going to be the highest paid QB in the league.

Yep & while not the norm we are certainly seeing more QBs who aren't considered elite early on & not drafted high - Brady, Wilson, Carr, Prescott, Brees, etc - doing very well in the NFL. College play for the most part is not predictor of success for a QB in NFL. On the flip side we have seen numerous "can't miss" QBs coming out of college who are out of the league in short order. I am with you on this one.

 

[j_y19]

51-61 (while having the best WR in the game during most of that time) & 16-16 in the last two seasons (& having basically the same stats as Cousins - maybe a little worse) is getting it done? Really? OK.

I agree. I just don't get this adulteration for Stafford at this time. Elite? Come on. The guy has done nothing more in this league that Cousins has and Cousins certainly can not be considered elite. Is he a good QB? Sure, I'll give you that, but if you consider Stafford a good QB, then you have to also consider Cousins one. Can stafford be maturing into a better QB? OF course he can and maybe his ceiling has not been reached yet. Very possible. But then why can't the same be said for Cousins? If anything, Given what Cousins has achieve in half the playing experience as Stafford, I think its quite possible that Cousins ceiling might actually be higher than Stafford.

I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence for some.

 

[Sleepy T]

51-61 (while having the best WR in the game during most of that time) & 16-16 in the last two seasons (& having basically the same stats as Cousins - maybe a little worse) is getting it done? Really? OK.

Well see, there this little thing that some of you just don't quite value very much for some reason, it's called experience, extensive gametime experience over a long period of time. If you want to compare Stafford's 8 seasons as a starter and say that KCs 2 seasons as a starter is one and the same, then there is nothing I can say to influence your undying love for our QB.

And Stafford has been the lone bright spot for a garbage team and franchise for a decade. Even considering Megatron, there is no comparing overall what Stafford has had to work with and the weapons KC has had over the last couple years.

 

[Sleepy T]

I agree. I just don't get this adulteration for Stafford at this time. Elite? Come on. The guy has done nothing more in this league that Cousins has and Cousins certainly can not be considered elite. Is he a good QB? Sure, I'll give you that, but if you consider Stafford a good QB, then you have to also consider Cousins one. Can stafford be maturing into a better QB? OF course he can and maybe his ceiling has not been reached yet. Very possible. But then why can't the same be said for Cousins? If anything, Given what Cousins has achieve in half the playing experience as Stafford, I think its quite possible that Cousins ceiling might actually be higher than Stafford.

I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence for some.

I consider Cousins a good, really good QB, but he is not at the same level as Stafford.

Serious question for everybody, since we are having this debate.

If you could have your choice of any of these QBs for the next 2-3 years, Cousins, Carr, or Stafford..Who would you take? After the 3 years, none of them are available. You have 1 choice to make a run with over the next 3 years, no draft picks, trades, all of them will get paid the same (top dollar). Who you going with? For me, it's Stafford, without hesitation.

 

[deanpet21]

I consider Cousins a good, really good QB, but he is not at the same level as Stafford.

Serious question for everybody, since we are having this debate.

If you could have your choice of any of these QBs for the next 2-3 years, Cousins, Carr, or Stafford..Who would you take? After the 3 years, none of them are available. You have 1 choice to make a run with over the next 3 years, no draft picks, trades, all of them will get paid the same (top dollar). Who you going with? For me, it's Stafford, without hesitation.

I already went down this road with them. they all feel that they would take KC over Stafford and Carr right now.

 

[Sharkinva]

I already went down this road with them. they all feel that they would take KC over Stafford and Carr right now.

1. Either Stafford or Carr will cost the same, if not more than Cousins
2. Stafford or Carr will have to come in and learn OUR offense as well as develop timing with the entire team
3. Stafford or Carr are not available to us. Its easy to say, well I would take these guys over Cousins, when neither of these guys is even remotely available to us without paying even MORE than what it will cost us to sign Kirk in the end.


Give me a viable, available, cheaper, better option than Cousins and Im on board. But throwing out the well I would take these guys over him when these guys are not available to us without doing some serious spending in both cash and draft capitol is a flawed way of looking at this thing... and deep down you know this.

 

[gkekoa]

Well see, there this little thing that some of you just don't quite value very much for some reason, it's called experience, extensive gametime experience over a long period of time. If you want to compare Stafford's 8 seasons as a starter and say that KCs 2 seasons as a starter is one and the same, then there is nothing I can say to influence your undying love for our QB.

And Stafford has been the lone bright spot for a garbage team and franchise for a decade. Even considering Megatron, there is no comparing overall what Stafford has had to work with and the weapons KC has had over the last couple years.

Experience is a valuable thing. In eight years, you are getting what you get. KC can still improve.

Stafford hasn't been a bright spot. For years they debated whether or not they should get rid of him because their one bright spot was being wasted...Calvin Johnson. They were to stupid to realize they needed a defense and an offensive line to win games. It wasn't until last season they realized Stafford is actually a good QB. So what they wasted was the combo because they didn't build a team around them.

 

[gkekoa]

I consider Cousins a good, really good QB, but he is not at the same level as Stafford.

Serious question for everybody, since we are having this debate.

If you could have your choice of any of these QBs for the next 2-3 years, Cousins, Carr, or Stafford..Who would you take? After the 3 years, none of them are available. You have 1 choice to make a run with over the next 3 years, no draft picks, trades, all of them will get paid the same (top dollar). Who you going with? For me, it's Stafford, without hesitation.

I would say KC is at the same level as Stafford.

I will take KC because he actually fits this system. On a random team, I would probably take Carr.

 

[deanpet21]

Experience is a valuable thing. In eight years, you are getting what you get. KC can still improve.

Stafford hasn't been a bright spot. For years they debated whether or not they should get rid of him because their one bright spot was being wasted...Calvin Johnson. They were to stupid to realize they needed a defense and an offensive line to win games. It wasn't until last season they realized Stafford is actually a good QB. So what they wasted was the combo because they didn't build a team around them.

I thought there new o-coordinator had a lot to do with it.