Ohio State - the worst over signing school of all?

[TrustMeIamRight]

Take a look at the thread you're posting in.

I don't know why u even justify his posts with a response. There isn't a program in the NCAA that doesn't bend rules to try and get any advantage possible.

 

[bamabear82]

He offers grey shirts to manipulate the # of total scholarships on the roster. It isn't a secret. If you have 86 scholarship athletes on the team after signing day -- you grey shirt a recruit who won't see playing time and now his scholarship counts for the next year and you have 85 scholarship athletes.

The "player" isn't missing out on anything, but the coach isn't doing it for the player -- he is doing it for themselves, whether it be at Alabama, Michigan, OSU, or anything other school.

Yup and I'm perfectly fine with that.

 

[7Samurai13]

And please stop embarrassing the University of Michigan. If your starting point is 0, any increase cannot be expressed in percentages.

With your example -- whatever it is you are talking about -- the answer would be, Alabama has 1 more than Michigan.

I believe, what he should have said was, is that Michigan has 100% less gray shirts than Alabama but his defense of the statement is amusing none the less.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Mercy plorst. scUM still sucks and still oversigned

 

[Across The Field]

I don't know why u even justify his posts with a response. There isn't a program in the NCAA that doesn't bend rules to try and get any advantage possible.

Don't try lumping everyone in with michigan. They're the only ones under fire for pulling multiple scholarship offers near the tail-end of the recruiting cycle. It's not against the rules but it's scummy as hell.

 

[HammerDown]

This was a post on Redit. Some Alabama fan posted a fairly in-depth analysis of OSU's recruiting classes under Urban and the results are pretty damning:

Unmasking Ohio State as one of college football?s premier oversigners : CFB

It’s often mentioned that due to a conference rule, B1G teams are allowed to oversign by no more than three signees over their 85 scholarship limit each signing day. Three is considered a reasonable number for oversigning because there is expected to be some degree of offseason attrition from transfers, suspensions, etc. Compared to B1G teams, a team like Alabama will typically lose seven to eleven players with remaining eligibility every year to fit their signing class. There have been numerous articles written on this practice, and they will typically contain some version of this chart showing the total number of signees over a four year period as a tool to compare the severity of oversigning for different programs. There are a few reasons why tallying total signees isn’t a very accurate oversigning metric for comparing programs:
Ignores NFL early entrants
Ignores impact of JUCO signees
Ignores the number of actual enrollees versus signees
Ignores redshirt seniors returning for their 5th year
The impact of NFL early entrants is obvious as early entrants free up scholarship spots that otherwise wouldn’t have been available. Teams that sign JUCO players also receive a benefit in that if a team averages two JUCO signees every year, only four of the eight JUCOs will remain on the roster beginning the fourth year, assuming no redshirts are used. JUCOs can also be double counted if they sign with a college out of high school and then sign with the same team again after JUCO.

Here is a table showing the average signing classes for B1G (excluding Maryland and Rutgers) and SEC teams from 2012 – 2015, including average number of annual JUCO signees and NFL early entrants. What becomes apparent is that Ohio State signs a lot of players…essentially equal to Alabama. OSU was able to sign the same number of players despite the fact they had nine fewer scholarships to utilize over that time frame (82 vs. 85 for three years), and had hardly any JUCO signees or NFL early entrants to free up more spots compared to most SEC schools. How does this happen? Everyone knows that many teams oversign, but B1G schools are limited to only oversigning by three.

The answer is that Ohio State is processing players with remaining eligibility at a rate higher than most SEC schools, including Alabama. By the time Ohio State trims their current 88 scholarships down to 85, Meyer will have removed over 40 players with remaining eligibility from his roster in just over three years. This type of roster management is often overlooked because under B1G rules, the majority of these roster moves are announced before signing day and soon forgotten. To give an extreme example, B1G rules still allow a team with no exiting senior class to process 25 juniors on February 1st and sign a full class of 25 while still complying with the conference’s oversigning rule. Oversigning is a misnomer for what is really happening in these cases. By definition, oversigning has a blind spot in that it is only concerned with the time span from signing day forward. If you want an accurate picture for how many eligible players are actually being processed, you can’t simply start on signing day and look forward. You must look at how many players started the season with at least two years of eligibility remaining, and then determine how many of those players failed to return for the following season.

While OSU may not technically oversign by more than three, they are methodically removing players with remaining eligibility in order to allow space for large signing classes, which is the core issue with oversigning.

If you wanted to know what the SEC would look like with the B1G’s oversigning rule, Ohio State would be the perfect model. Instead of fans and media having to wait for the release of spring rosters and the dust to settle on the depth chart to figure out which players left the program, announcements would simply be made in late fall or early winter. The same roster management techniques (5th year seniors not returning, transfers, medical hardship scholarships) will still occur within the same time frame as they are currently; they would just be officially announced earlier.

Speaking of medical hardships, here’s a quote that was widely circulated in 2011.
By "not able to continue to play," Saban is referring to players who have suffered injuries so severe they might be granted medical hardships. Those players maintain their scholarships to the school but are no longer part of the team. Saban has done this with at least 12 players during his four years in Tuscaloosa, which raises red flags considering Ohio State's Jim Tressel, for example, has placed just four players on hardship scholarships in his entire 10-year tenure. Do Alabama players suffer debilitating injuries at a far greater rate than Ohio State players? Not likely.”

Predictably, Meyer has now used 12 medical hardships in a little over three years at OSU, outpacing Saban’s first three years. If you’re comparing recent history, Bama has used 2 medical hardships since 2012, while OSU has used 12. The two most recent hardship recipients at OSU (Reeves and Tanner) both fully participated in the Sugar Bowl and Championship Game, cleared by their medical staff before the games and finishing both games uninjured. Three weeks later and right before signing day, the OSU medical staff would not clear the players to continue their careers. Conveniently, this allowed OSU to reach their oversigning limit of 88 scholarships to comply with their conference rule.

It has been interesting to read some of the comments from Ohio State fans regarding Meyer’s roster management. Some have accepted these once despised roster management techniques and have welcomed the success that followed. Others still seem to be in denial and make every effort to rationalize their coach’s actions while vilifying other programs for the same transgressions. Either way, Meyer isn’t doing anything different than many other conferences. The question is, will other B1G programs follow suit, or will the talent gap between OSU and the rest of the conference continue to widen?

Ouch. Further damning info on a complete scumbag.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Don't try lumping everyone in with michigan. They're the only ones under fire for pulling multiple scholarship offers near the tail-end of the recruiting cycle. It's not against the rules but it's scummy as hell.

Yawn. Get over it already. Would u be alright if we waited til they got on campus and then say the doctors won't clear them to play?

Or is it as scummy as leaving a program in shambles and jumping ship for a "medical emergency", only to take a new job a year later?

These coaches are out for themselves. The quicker you realize this, the easier it will be when they leave for the next place who offers more money or a better opportunity to win.

At least with Urban, you don't have to worry about the NFL knocking.

 

[Across The Field]

Yawn. Get over it already. Would u be alright if we waited til they got on campus and then say the doctors won't clear them to play?

Or is it as scummy as leaving a program in shambles and jumping ship for a "medical emergency", only to take a new job a year later?

These coaches are out for themselves. The quicker you realize this, the easier it will be when they leave for the next place who offers more money or a better opportunity to win.

At least with Urban, you don't have to worry about the NFL knocking.

Ahh yes, more illogical speculation. Difference is, what Harbaugh did could've been avoided but he doesn't care at all about the kids.

As far as Florida goes, he left because I'm sure he heard that the OSU job was about to come open, and that school is also a complete and total cesspool. He took a year off, spent time with the family, got healthy and took the job. If he left Ohio State for whatever reason, I'd wish him the best. He's done wonderful work here, and I imagine we still have plenty more good years to look forward to. However, you really don't get any higher than OSU in the college football world. Anything else would be a lateral move at best. If the NFL comes knocking, as it has, and he chooses to go then I wish him the best.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Ahh yes, more illogical speculation. Difference is, what Harbaugh did could've been avoided but he doesn't care at all about the kids.

As far as Florida goes, he left because I'm sure he heard that the OSU job was about to come open, and that school is also a complete and total cesspool. He took a year off, spent time with the family, got healthy and took the job. If he left Ohio State for whatever reason, I'd wish him the best. He's done wonderful work here, and I imagine we still have plenty more good years to look forward to. However, you really don't get any higher than OSU in the college football world. Anything else would be a lateral move at best. If the NFL comes knocking, as it has, and he chooses to go then I wish him the best.

And ahhh yes, more excuses for your coach.

Yeah, it was a coincidence he jumped ship just as the talent on the roster was dwindling and the "medical emergency" comes up. Doesn't stop him from taking an analyst job though.

Just like it was just a coincidence that a recruit isn't cleared medically, yet very staff after that looks at him says he is fine and he is already on the playing field with Auburn.

Take the blinders off and quit making excuses for a grown man. The quicker you figure out they are out for themselves the easier it will be when he jumps ship

 

[7Samurai13]

And ahhh yes, more excuses for your coach.

Yeah, it was a coincidence he jumped ship just as the talent on the roster was dwindling and the "medical emergency" comes up. Doesn't stop him from taking an analyst job though.

Just like it was just a coincidence that a recruit isn't cleared medically, yet very staff after that looks at him says he is fine and he is already on the playing field with Auburn.

Take the blinders off and quit making excuses for a grown man. The quicker you figure out they are out for themselves the easier it will be when he jumps ship

So Harbaugh and Michigan did the exact same thing to Pipkin who is cleared to play at Texas Tech, you may not want to bang the drum on that anymore since Michigan is just as guilty of forcing medical scholarships.

 

[Across The Field]

And ahhh yes, more excuses for your coach.

Yeah, it was a coincidence he jumped ship just as the talent on the roster was dwindling and the "medical emergency" comes up. Doesn't stop him from taking an analyst job though.

Just like it was just a coincidence that a recruit isn't cleared medically, yet very staff after that looks at him says he is fine and he is already on the playing field with Auburn.

Take the blinders off and quit making excuses for a grown man. The quicker you figure out they are out for themselves the easier it will be when he jumps ship

When the talent was dwindling?
2010 - #1
2009 - #7
2008 - #6
2007 - #1
These were his class ranks at Florida. If you're going to be biased, at least try not to be so obtuse.

Also, neither I nor any other OSU fans need to excuse a thing. The Dean situation, well, I've educated you plenty on that and you're still ignorant, so I guess sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

Maybe michigan fans should just learn to keep their mouths shut about other programs until their coach starts behaving like a dignified professional.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

No, you had room when he committed two years ago. You didn't have room for the guy who took his spot, so your chicken shit head coach tried to ghost him out, then had an assistant coach call the kid to break the bad news because he couldn't be bothered to make a 10 minute phone call himself.

We removed his scholarship to give it to a better player. Do you not want better players on your team? I assume that's why Dantonio over signed....

 

[7Samurai13]

We removed his scholarship to give it to a better player. Do you not want better players on your team? I assume that's why Dantonio over signed....

I have no idea why he over signed. I've already stated that I don't agree with it and said he shouldn't be doing it. But I'm not going to defend these actions nor deflect to claim that other people are doing things worse so that makes it ok like certain posters here.

 

[4down20]

I have no idea why he over signed. I've already stated that I don't agree with it and said he shouldn't be doing it. But I'm not going to defend these actions nor deflect to claim that other people are doing things worse so that makes it ok like certain posters here.

By the time you need to be down to 85 in August you'll be fine.

There is always attrition.

 

[Across The Field]

Ouch. Further damning info on a complete scumbag.

When you vehemently support a racist who likes to mock the developmentally disabled on social media, your character judgement doesn't really mean much.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

When the talent was dwindling?
2010 - #1
2009 - #7
2008 - #6
2007 - #1
These were his class ranks at Florida. If you're going to be biased, at least try not to be so obtuse.

Also, neither I nor any other OSU fans need to excuse a thing. The Dean situation, well, I've educated you plenty on that and you're still ignorant, so I guess sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

Maybe michigan fans should just learn to keep their mouths shut about other programs until their coach starts behaving like a dignified professional.

Must be "another coincidence" that Urban jumped ship after the 8-5 season. Sure are ALOT of coincidences when it comes to the coach you continue to make excuses for.
Take the blinders off. No one is saying he isn't a great college coach. He is. He is as dirty as any other coach at a major program, if not more, yet you believe he walks on water.

 

[Across The Field]

Must be "another coincidence" that Urban jumped ship after the 8-5 season. Sure are ALOT of coincidences when it comes to the coach you continue to make excuses for.
Take the blinders off. No one is saying he isn't a great college coach. He is. He is as dirty as any other coach at a major program, if not more, yet you believe he walks on water.

Not really any coincidences, just angry folks like yourself that are so desperate to take him down yet have nothing but empty speculation.

It's fine, I understand.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Not really any coincidences, just angry folks like yourself that are so desperate to take him down yet have nothing but empty speculation.

It's fine, I understand.

The best part of this -- I think you actually believe what you just typed. No one is angry, no one is trying to take him down -- he does that on his own.

Feel free to read -- then tell us all how NFL coaches, former players, the magazine, etc. are all angry and trying to take him down.

From champs to chomped: How Urban Meyer broke Florida football

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So Harbaugh and Michigan did the exact same thing to Pipkin who is cleared to play at Texas Tech, you may not want to bang the drum on that anymore since Michigan is just as guilty of forcing medical scholarships.

You mean the guy who played at UM for three years and started many games for us. The one who suffered multiple concussions during his time at UM. Yeah. I can see how that is the same as telling a guy who has never played a down of college football he can't play?

 

[Wamu]

The best part of this --

Is you actually said last week that Crazy Jimbo was a 1st team All American back in '86. Talk about a laugh riot!