Ohio State fans -- what to do about Schiano/PSU

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Our country is in desperate need of a judicial system so that it's not up to the schools to deal out punishments for crimes.

Oh, for sure. But schools shouldn't employ people like this either.

 

[4down20]

That's where I'm at. How in the hell do you continue to go on about your day to day activities when you know absolutely nothing was done about what you saw. Maybe he thought by telling his boss something would get done but, it looks like when it was obvious nothing is getting done, that you'd take it to the proper authorities (which should've been done initially imo) and see that shit actually gets taken care of. This "Welp, I did my duty by telling muh boss" shit doesn't fly when it pertains to something so serious. Especially when said boss doesn't do anything.

Times really were different. You didn't have all the media, all the internet and so on telling people how things should be or whatever, there was no "outrage" towards such topics on a national level because there was no where for their to be. It was all local and the biggest influences in your life were local people you were around - in this case, other Penn St people.

If it happened last year, then I'd be much more strict in my opinion on things. It's obviously not the way things should be handled and in 2016 there is no excuse for it. 25 years ago, a little different.

Paterno is another story, no reason he shouldn't have fired his ass.

 

[4down20]

Oh, for sure. But schools shouldn't employ people like this either.

You know who the people are in this world are who have never fucked up? Kids.

Maybe someday we can live in a world where people can learn from their mistakes and as a result get better at what they do. If it happened last year, fine. But crying about something 25 years ago and wanted a guy to be fired based on something that apparently hasn't repeated itself or been a problem for the last 25 years is nothing but stupid.

It's a simple question for him - if it happened tomorrow would he report it. After all that has happened, does anyone here think he wouldn't?

I hate people who grandstand and fake outrage.

 

[OUGuy1999]

Presumption of Innocence
A principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burdento prove his or her innocence.

 

[Across The Field]

You know who the people are in this world are who have never fucked up? Kids.

Maybe someday we can live in a world where people can learn from their mistakes and as a result get better at what they do. If it happened last year, fine. But crying about something 25 years ago and wanted a guy to be fired based on something that apparently hasn't repeated itself or been a problem for the last 25 years is nothing but stupid.

It's a simple question for him - if it happened tomorrow would he report it. After all that has happened, does anyone here think he wouldn't?

I hate people who grandstand and fake outrage.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You know who the people are in this world are who have never fucked up? Kids.

Maybe someday we can live in a world where people can learn from their mistakes and as a result get better at what they do. If it happened last year, fine. But crying about something 25 years ago and wanted a guy to be fired based on something that apparently hasn't repeated itself or been a problem for the last 25 years is nothing but stupid.

It's a simple question for him - if it happened tomorrow would he report it. After all that has happened, does anyone here think he wouldn't?

I hate people who grandstand and fake outrage.

He's denying the whole thing to this day. That, to me, shows that he doesn't take responsibility for what he did, what abuse he allowed and is still trying to protect his own butt. That person shouldn't be employed at a public University teaching young adults. This isn't fake outrage. Because Schiano failed to report abuse when he saw it, multiple kids were RAPED in the coming decades. That is very much real outrage. Fake outrage is, "Can you believe guys can use the same bathroom as girls" <- but that's for another thread.

To reiterate what I said earlier, everyone makes mistakes. Most people don't make mistakes that directly cause the raping of more kids and then deny it.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I think it's funny that you are commenting without even knowing the story.

Allegedly, Schiano sees Sandusky abusing a child and tells Bradley, who is the PSU DC and his boss at the time.
Then, allegedly, for some odd reason Bradley tells an offensive graduate assistant (McQueary) what Schiano saw.

McQueary's deposition testimony recounts the story.

Didn't McQueary witness Sandusky sexually abusing a kid on his own? If I remember correctly, he did. Maybe that is why Bradley talked to McQueary about it?

Just a guess on my part though.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Presumption of Innocence
A principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burdento prove his or her innocence.

We're not talking about being guilty of a crime (other than maybe lying under oath). Not reporting a crime in Pennsylvania is not a crime itself. And most certainly the public opinion requires no such thing; which is why most people consider OJ guilty.

As I said earlier, I think everyone on this staff is a scumbag that doesn't deserve to be coaching in the sport. I just don't buy that you could hold a major staffing position and not know anything.

 

[Tharvot]

Ohio State fan: "Greg Schiano is innocent. He did nothing wrong!"

If Schiano was an assistant at Michigan:

Ohio State fan: "Greg Schiano should receive the death penalty!"

thats the way rivalries go

 

[4down20]

We're not talking about being guilty of a crime (other than maybe lying under oath). Not reporting a crime in Pennsylvania is not a crime itself. And most certainly the public opinion requires no such thing; which is why most people consider OJ guilty.

As I said earlier, I think everyone on this staff is a scumbag that doesn't deserve to be coaching in the sport. I just don't buy that you could hold a major staffing position and not know anything.

And yet you have no issue with a 52 year old man having sleepovers with 17 year old kids.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

And yet you have no issue with a 52 year old man having sleepovers with 17 year old kids.

again, it's sick to even compare the two; even as a joke. I think it's weird, but sleeping over at someone's house in different rooms is not even on the same level. I know you think that statement is funny, but it's just not.

We're talking about a guy raping kids and getting away with it for 30 years because guys like Schiano were scumbags.

 

[4down20]

again, it's sick to even compare the two; even as a joke. I think it's weird, but sleeping over at someone's house in different rooms is not even on the same level.

What's funny about it?

 

[OUGuy1999]

We're not talking about being guilty of a crime (other than maybe lying under oath). Not reporting a crime in Pennsylvania is not a crime itself. And most certainly the public opinion requires no such thing; which is why most people consider OJ guilty.

As I said earlier, I think everyone on this staff is a scumbag that doesn't deserve to be coaching in the sport. I just don't buy that you could hold a major staffing position and not know anything.

Under federal guidelines, not reporting a federal crime and lying under oath, are both crimes.

 

[Across The Field]

Because Schiano failed to report abuse when he saw it, multiple kids were RAPED in the coming decades.

This statement proves you are entirely full of shit. If he wasn't at Ohio State, this thread would not exist. Because he is, you're now blaming the entire situation on him because he supposedly told his boss (even though not a shred of proof has been given to this happening). This is one of your saddest days here. A lot of times I think you don't deserve some of the shit you get on here, then you come on here spouting shit like this and then I get it.

 

[bamabear82]

Times really were different. You didn't have all the media, all the internet and so on telling people how things should be or whatever, there was no "outrage" towards such topics on a national level because there was no where for their to be. It was all local and the biggest influences in your life were local people you were around - in this case, other Penn St people.

If it happened last year, then I'd be much more strict in my opinion on things. It's obviously not the way things should be handled and in 2016 there is no excuse for it. 25 years ago, a little different.

Paterno is another story, no reason he shouldn't have fired his ass.

I get the jest of what you're saying but, assuming all of this stuff is true, it really shouldn't matter if this were 50 years ago. It shouldn't have anything to do with the media telling us to be outraged en sech when it comes to the molestation of kids. He, as a grown ass man, should have known better regardless and did something more than what is being said that he did imo. I guess when it involves kids, I have very little sympathy/understanding for the individuals involved.

Now, I don't have much of an opinion on him being at OSU and figure the only reason it would affect his job now is if it becomes a PR nightmare.

 

[Across The Field]

What's funny about it?

Level-headed michigan fans will tell you it's fucked up. If it were literally any other job in the world, any time a man in his 50's offered to sleep in the same room as a 17-year old boy, that MFer would be thoroughly investigated. Because he's their beloved savior, they think it's fine.

 

[4down20]

I get the jest of what you're saying but, assuming all of this stuff is true, it really shouldn't matter if this were 50 years ago. It shouldn't have anything to do with the media telling us to be outraged en sech when it comes to the molestation of kids. He, as a grown ass man, should have known better regardless and did something more than what is being said that he did imo. I guess when it involves kids, I have very little sympathy/understanding for the individuals involved.

Now, I don't have much of an opinion on him being at OSU and figure the only reason it would affect his job now is if it becomes a PR nightmare.

It's never been right, the avenues available to take care of these things and such were just more limited. I just can't fault the guy on the same level as those who committed the crimes and generally think the most important thing is to learn from mistakes(if it was actually made).

 

[OUGuy1999]

Level-headed michigan fans will tell you it's fucked up. If it were literally any other job in the world, any time a man in his 50's offered to sleep in the same room as a 17-year old boy, that MFer would be thoroughly investigated. Because he's their beloved savior, they think it's fine.

I personally think its all fucked up, they did a piss poor job of investigating it, and no one other than the students and the one person who commited the act was punished. Kind of like what is going on at Baylor, although Briles lost his job, the issues stem deeper than people are actually willing to dig or publicize. I personally think a lot more heads should roll in both cases, but unfortunately only those at the bottom will suffer. Its a sad fact, but still a fact. And everyone at the bottom will point fingers so they dont look like the bad guy. Truth is we will never know the real truths, and i wont crucify someone over speculation.

 

[jdwills126]

Don't care what OSU does.

I would want UofM to can him if he was at UofM. OSU is OSU and would find a great replacement if they wanted to let him go.

Schiano needs to get out ahead of this for his own sake. A better explanation would help. I am sure he wants to be a head coach again and this isn't a huge issue to a DC but is to a head coach.

 

[cwerph]

Don't care what OSU does.

I would want UofM to can him if he was at UofM. OSU is OSU and would find a great replacement if they wanted to let him go.

Schiano needs to get out ahead of this for his own sake. A better explanation would help. I am sure he wants to be a head coach again and this isn't a huge issue to a DC but is to a head coach.

What better explanation do you need than him saying, "It didn't happen"?