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[OregonDucks]

Can't tell if wwe is serious about bi polar Kane and Seth Rollins?

Seriously Seth Rollins spoke to the pope he's going to heaven??

Look Kane has been through stupid storylines before (katie Vick) but seriously a corporate Kane vs demon Kane? LOL....please no.

Seth Rollins is a terrible champ now...the corporate champ gimmick is so over done it's not heelish anymore.

This current storyline with Kane is a total joke. I thought wwe was going more into the "real" realm with their storylines and were done with this early 90s super human gimmick storylines.

Kane at the age of 50? Is playing the role of The Undertaker in his early years...will they reveal Kane's mask gives him super powers?

This is utter failure.

 

[anotheridiot]

Can't tell if wwe is serious about bi polar Kane and Seth Rollins?

Seriously Seth Rollins spoke to the pope he's going to heaven??

Look Kane has been through stupid storylines before (katie Vick) but seriously a corporate Kane vs demon Kane? LOL....please no.

Seth Rollins is a terrible champ now...the corporate champ gimmick is so over done it's not heelish anymore.

This current storyline with Kane is a total joke. I thought wwe was going more into the "real" realm with their storylines and were done with this early 90s super human gimmick storylines.

Kane at the age of 50? Is playing the role of The Undertaker in his early years...will they reveal Kane's mask gives him super powers?

This is utter failure.

It was tough to watch. I thought for sure kane was gonna leave in the ambulance and another kane was gonna take rollins back thru the mat, or a shadow in the doorways, or something else, not Kane fixing his leg and heading to the ring. Dont mind watching Rollins get his ass kicked, but there were better options.

 

[OregonDucks]

It was tough to watch. I thought for sure kane was gonna leave in the ambulance and another kane was gonna take rollins back thru the mat, or a shadow in the doorways, or something else, not Kane fixing his leg and heading to the ring. Dont mind watching Rollins get his ass kicked, but there were better options.

yeah I would much rather have a new kane within this storyline...and not just the same guy playing two roles.

I mean with how ridiculous this storyline already is, and how ridiculous Kane's character has been over the last 2 years..Wish WWE would go out and find a new young giant wrestler who they could just give a mask to and call Kane. Would at least make more sense.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I didn't think it could get worse than Lane pulling Rollins through the mat.....till last night

 

[OregonDucks]

I didn't think it could get worse than Lane pulling Rollins through the mat.....till last night

I didn't see kane pulling rollins last week...so I just youtubed it..........

LOL so bad.

 

[OregonDucks]

WHY is WWE So high up on Kane?!?!?!?!?

He's 48 years old........he's been through mask/unmask/mask/unmask for the past 16 years.......

In the last 2 years he's had almost as many face/heel turns as Big Show..

Why in the world is WWE so high on him now??? Why is this guy in the title picture?

Kane was awesome when he debuted as Takers half brother. Thought he took a step back when he was unmasked (probably should have never unmasked him..) But he became alright with the distorted face...Then got stupid when WWE seemed to just forget that burned face all together.

When you have a ton of young talent scattered all over the roster, why in the hell are they wasting their time on 48 year old Kane, let alone Corporate/Demon/SuperPower Kane.....?

And of all the old wrestlers to put in the main story line why are they picking him?

Seriously, Kane in the WWE title storyline for a good part of the past 1.5 years.

 

[anotheridiot]

I think the problem is their lack of sense as to what to do with the roster. You gotta realize, it has gotten real too fast with WWE. With Stone cold podcasts explaining how fake it is, with the tough enough show getting into the reality of the superstars telling the kids how to act, all the way to total divas as we watch wrestlers in the background just being normal people. Hell, the ascension were on Swerved eating hamburgers with plastic knives and forks. If they use some new guy that would be a great match, like Neville vs Rollins, they would tie that story line up for 6 months and nobody else would be in the picture. The BS with Cena Brock 1,2,3, how many times did Brock only defend against cena?

They have their stooge in KEvin Owens with the IC belt, I just think Kane is the fastest way to knock Rollins down where he belongs, so the rest of the line to Sheamus, Reigns and back to Cena has a chance to actually happen.

 

[johnson]

No way Rollins loses the belt to Kane. This has to be just a lame storyline to get them through 2-3 PPVs with Rollins still having the belt to build up for something bigger.

 

[anotheridiot]

No way Rollins loses the belt to Kane. This has to be just a lame storyline to get them through 2-3 PPVs with Rollins still having the belt to build up for something bigger.

They will probably just have Kane take the belt whether he wins or loses then rollins will go whining all thru raw about being the man and needing his belt and that might start the HHH problems.

They need to get the briefcase from Sheamus anyway, finally cash it in already and lose.

Saw a story on givemesport about mcmahon being pissed about the raw ratings, so he is paying Lesnar extra to do this october tour, be on two raws, in october, be on stone colds podcast, then hell with taker. Dont take much of that as fact since its just fans writing stories, but we know the raw ratings usually follow the champs fan base and seem like it blows.

 

[3 & 6 years to go...]

I have heard that, too, regarding McMahon being pissed about Raw's ratings.

As for Kane? Why are they so high on him? I think that it boils down to what I have read/heard about him backstage. He is just an awesome human being that will do whatever it takes to help make the WWE the best that it can be. Do what is asked of him without complaint. Help guide the your wrestlers, be a mentor, and help veterans as well. Hell, I heard that Undertaker likes him so much, he wanted Kane to be the one to break the streak. But, Kane did not want to do it.

 

[UK Cowboy]

No way Rollins loses the belt to Kane. This has to be just a lame storyline to get them through 2-3 PPVs with Rollins still having the belt to build up for something bigger.

With ratings where they are, the World Title is going on Lesnar or Cena...soon

 

[wildturkey]

With ratings where they are, the World Title is going on Lesnar or Cena...soon

You're probably right but that's the worst thing they can do. The reason they are in the spot they are is they've spent zero time actually developing new characters over the long haul. What they need to do is stick with Rollins, Reigns, Wyatt, Owens, etc in prime spots over months at a time and not just feed them to older talent in a rotating fashion like they've been doing. It won't spike ratings immediately, but over time the ratings will stabilize and start to grow.

 

[UK Cowboy]

You're probably right but that's the worst thing they can do. The reason they are in the spot they are is they've spent zero time actually developing new characters over the long haul. What they need to do is stick with Rollins, Reigns, Wyatt, Owens, etc in prime spots over months at a time and not just feed them to older talent in a rotating fashion like they've been doing. It won't spike ratings immediately, but over time the ratings will stabilize and start to grow.

You may be right, but when ratings go down, Vince is going to old reliable...

 

[anotheridiot]

I have heard that, too, regarding McMahon being pissed about Raw's ratings.

As for Kane? Why are they so high on him? I think that it boils down to what I have read/heard about him backstage. He is just an awesome human being that will do whatever it takes to help make the WWE the best that it can be. Do what is asked of him without complaint. Help guide the your wrestlers, be a mentor, and help veterans as well. Hell, I heard that Undertaker likes him so much, he wanted Kane to be the one to break the streak. But, Kane did not want to do it.

I agree, you see the support for Rollins in this forum, with Kane it gets ripped away from someone that wont determine its long term future. Even if its Rollins that pouts and takes Kane out enough for Sheamus to cash in, even if its another curb stomp. Serves two purposes, gets the belt moving to Lesnar, no rematch for Rollins needed vs kane. Sheamus drops the belt quickly. Problem is, this is running the same course they ran with Sting and it was never the intention to get sting the belt.

They are stuck now with Reigns and Wyatt feud and I dont think they want Wyatt in the mix for the title, but who knows.

 

[wazzu31]

I get the PG crap but the last time WWE hit such horrible ratings they changed their product or most importantly their creative team. It seems now they don't need ratings as opposed to putting on a program to advertise the WWE network. Is there really one storyline that is suppose to hook a newbie?

 

[anotheridiot]

I guess they are thinking that bump and eventual super kick to cenas face might make it Cena vs Ziggler at hell in a cell. Seems Lana is gone from Ziggler forever, she is supposed to return winning back Rusev, (dont know about the proposal last monday) and an apparent dark ring attire move to dolph might be turning heel. They have had good matches before. the new day was beating down everyone, dont know if the dudleys will get the belts, but there should only be two of them in the ring, might not need the belts if they are gonna be beating people up and staying relevant.

 

[Judge Fudge]

My Viewpoint right now is Simple:

Vince has a monopoly because TNA is going nowhere but down the Crapper and ROH seems comfortable doing small time venues and small time TV. WWE because of this can keep giving us crap(Kane in the main event) because they want to Push crap down our throats and make us like it so they can do it more and more.....

BECAUSE THEY CAN.

There is no Alternative to them. So there daring us to watch the others.

Plain and simple. This is a bad time to be a wrestling fan

 

[anotheridiot]

I really dont agree with that. Vince knows a bad product means cancelled subscriptions and risk losing his longest running cable tv show. If we want to watch better wrestling, we need to have the network to watch the better stuff is the only reason Vince would not be worried. Prime time mondays going against Fox and MNF could be something USA might want to change with the poor ratings.

 

[wazzu31]

I know it's rather gay to bring this up but the WWE set up a heel Ziggler and Ziggler/Cena feud with the finale of Total Divas

 

[johnson]

I kind of agree with Judge. WWE is a monopoly and isn't going anywhere even with relatively low ratings. I'm assuming even with ratings abysmally low for RAW, they are still higher than many of the competing shows at that time on other networks?

But I also think Vince is enough of an egomaniac to take the low ratings personally even in his old age and want to do something about it.