Official 2025 Draft Talk Thread

[HaroldSeattle]

I have seen tons of Mocks with the Hawks drafting Oline but like many talking heads say "that goes against everything JS believes about IOL."

He might not draft IOL at #18 and that doesnt bother me one bit but he better use a least a couple of his top 5 picks on some Olineman. No need to "OVERDRAFT" a position like they all ready do at QB from college when the talent level coming out of collage is so low now when talking about Olineman. We need NFL Europe to come back and get these kids more REAL coaching.

The talk about overdrafting a position, centers around what the group think is at the moment, the "group" being everyone who lays out an opinion on positional value in regard to the NFL (So GMs, talking heads, you tube draft geek and of course passionate fans). The actual value really depends on supply and demand of said position. If there was an over supply of good QBs their value goes down (course that never seems to be the case). Group think is usually behind the curve on things like positional value, as they spout the usual things folks say until they get slapped in the face with the reality, hard. Seems to me their is a supply issue with IOL which raises their value but group think hasn't caught up.....yet. Seahawks take Zabel at pick 18 and I'll be full of joy and who cares if some folks sagely shake their heads and exclaim it's a over pay. The offense can't function well without the OL doing their part and doing it well. Coaching helps, but talent matters and the talent at IOL that can actually have a noticeable impact is small in numbers and won't be there when the Seahawks pick in round 2 or later, barring finding a gem in the rough (which is a long shot).

There are dozens and dozens mocks out there and yes some have the Seahawks taking a IOL most verve off the path because they think so and so is just SO GOOD you got to take him (this after saying there are only 3 blue chippers in this draft). For me it's IOL or bust with pick 18.

 

[Screamin12th]

Guard Tyler Booker is the 48 best ranked player in this draft and thats not 1st round talent BUT he will be over drafted. Zabel is flying up the board but he is a tackle ( ranked 29th ), C Jared Wilson is the next IOL and he is ranked 83, now lets just make a list of the IOL in the top 200 best players in the draft.

Booker 48
Wilson 83
Ratledge 91
Lampkin 130
Kendra 151
McLaughlin 167
Colby 170
Cooper 172
Monheim 184
Fairchild 196

This are the "listed IOL" there isn't tackles on here that could slide into Guard/center. As you can see none grade out for a first round grade and yes value is set by need but taking a guy outside the 40 best players at 18 in the FIRST round is just stupid. I don't understand why people think this is a good Oline class its not, they wont be good till the "college game" changes. You could find some tackles but the guys that get dirty on the inside in the NFL and college ranks are SO very different now. The meat is between 80-200 and these are or should be 3rd round + guys.

Drafting a guy with a 2nd or 3rd round grade at 18 would piss me off i dont care WHO it is. I like the QB Dart but I would be upset if we spent the 18th pick on him. I could understand it but i wouldnt like it.

I have put it on record that i want them to draft at least 2 IOL with their first 5 picks because we need them but i am not holding my breath that they will be very good or even starters at first. College Olineman just are not what they were back in the 90's and early 2000's. The offensive change in college has made the change to playing in the pros very hard.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Guard Tyler Booker is the 48 best ranked player in this draft and thats not 1st round talent BUT he will be over drafted. Zabel is flying up the board but he is a tackle ( ranked 29th ), C Jared Wilson is the next IOL and he is ranked 83, now lets just make a list of the IOL in the top 200 best players in the draft.

Booker 48
Wilson 83
Ratledge 91
Lampkin 130
Kendra 151
McLaughlin 167
Colby 170
Cooper 172
Monheim 184
Fairchild 196

This are the "listed IOL" there isn't tackles on here that could slide into Guard/center. As you can see none grade out for a first round grade and yes value is set by need but taking a guy outside the 40 best players at 18 in the FIRST round is just stupid. I don't understand why people think this is a good Oline class its not, they wont be good till the "college game" changes. You could find some tackles but the guys that get dirty on the inside in the NFL and college ranks are SO very different now. The meat is between 80-200 and these are or should be 3rd round + guys.

Drafting a guy with a 2nd or 3rd round grade at 18 would piss me off i dont care WHO it is. I like the QB Dart but I would be upset if we spent the 18th pick on him. I could understand it but i wouldnt like it.

I have put it on record that i want them to draft at least 2 IOL with their first 5 picks because we need them but i am not holding my breath that they will be very good or even starters at first. College Olineman just are not what they were back in the 90's and early 2000's. The offensive change in college has made the change to playing in the pros very hard.

I feel someone will draft Dart round one, because of lack of supply. Steelers are trying to sign washed up Rodgers who will cost. Maybe 20 million, 25 million, maybe more. At this point would it make more sense to roll with Dart at pick 21 and save that money? Maybe.

 

[MrS]

Kiper has dart going at 9, I've seen other mocks with him going even Higher

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Walter Footballs draft is interesting.. Tyler Warren at 18, Donovan Jackson (who I like) at 50, Monheim at 52, then Swinson (DE) and Ewers in the 3rd...

TE, 2 2nd round OL, DL, and a QB? Eh I could stomach it.

 

[Anointed One]

Walter Footballs draft is interesting.. Tyler Warren at 18, Donovan Jackson (who I like) at 50, Monheim at 52, then Swinson (DE) and Ewers in the 3rd...

TE, 2 2nd round OL, DL, and a QB? Eh I could stomach it.

ESPN draft has us taking Matthew Golden, WR out of Texas... I'd be all over that... Dude runs a 4.2... We need some speed at the WR position...

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

ESPN draft has us taking Matthew Golden, WR out of Texas... I'd be all over that... Dude runs a 4.2... We need some speed at the WR position...

I think John is just gonna go BPA at 18... and then try and address OL in maybe the 2nd or the mid rounds. Similar to the last two years all over again.

 

[Anointed One]

I think John is just gonna go BPA at 18... and then try and address OL in maybe the 2nd or the mid rounds. Similar to the last two years all over again.

John surprises us a lot... I would not be surprised at all to see him go WR...

 

[MrS]

John surprises us a lot... I would not be surprised at all to see him go WR...

At this point taking OL would be the surprise, WR TE or S would not be.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

At this point taking OL would be the surprise, WR TE or S would not be.

I mean if we took Warren in the 1st but then went two OL back to back in the 2nd (like WalterFootball mocked us) I'd be perfectly fine with that.

Could also see WR though which I wouldn't lose my mind with assuming the 2nd round goes like the above scenario. Kubiak used 3 TE in New Orleans, but part of that was because all his WRs went down lol. Still, it would give us flex to cut Fant for $9M or let him walk after this season and pending what Kupp does he's cut worthy next season as well.

Where I'll be annoyed is if it's like, "S, WR, TE, EDGE, OL..." or something like that (move the first 4 around)... That's what I and I think most of us fear.

And if we start it off with WR/S/TE in the 1st.. it's gonna be agonizing over Friday waiting for the 2nd round... praying they don't ignore the OL. That said, I think that's what is most likely to happen lol.

 

[MrS]

I mean if we took Warren in the 1st but then went two OL back to back in the 2nd (like WalterFootball mocked us) I'd be perfectly fine with that.

Could also see WR though which I wouldn't lose my mind with assuming the 2nd round goes like the above scenario. Kubiak used 3 TE in New Orleans, but part of that was because all his WRs went down lol. Still, it would give us flex to cut Fant for $9M or let him walk after this season and pending what Kupp does he's cut worthy next season as well.

Where I'll be annoyed is if it's like, "S, WR, TE, EDGE, OL..." or something like that (move the first 4 around)... That's what I and I think most of us fear.

And if we start it off with WR/S/TE in the 1st.. it's gonna be agonizing over Friday waiting for the 2nd round... praying they don't ignore the OL. That said, I think that's what is most likely to happen lol.

really doubt warren makes it to 18, loveland might not make it either.
if emmanwori is there i would be surprised if they pass on him.
the other wild card is if an edge player drops, that could easily be the pick too.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

really doubt warren makes it to 18, loveland might not make it either.
if emmanwori is there i would be surprised if they pass on him.
the other wild card is if an edge player drops, that could easily be the pick too.

Yah... Warren is being rated (at least on NFL draft profiles) kind of in a similar range to Bowers. Not quite THAT good, but in the same category (90+ grade).... so I'd imagine he'll go in the top 15. I could see Loveland there.. I think he'd be better in the 2nd round, but the draft is weaker at various positions than last year so he may go earlier. I'd be fine with Warren at 18 (again assuming we go OL/OL in the 2nd, or at least one and another in the 3rd) but not Loveland.

I could also very much see Emmanwori going to Seattle just because Mac likes shuffling DBs around... but Love is only 27 and Bryant came on last year. I just don't think it's that big of a need lol. But who knows... I mean Emmanwori's athleticism is off the charts. That's one reason Mac wanted Knight... I dunno, reading a bit of the profile of Emmanwori, stiff hips, sometimes doesn't see the play. Seems like a modern day Taylor Mays... but who knows. I guess in theory he would help us stop getting torched by tight ends which we've had a problem with for a while now... and Ernest Jones is not a coverage linebacker.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Walter Footballs draft is interesting.. Tyler Warren at 18, Donovan Jackson (who I like) at 50, Monheim at 52, then Swinson (DE) and Ewers in the 3rd...

TE, 2 2nd round OL, DL, and a QB? Eh I could stomach it.

I swear to fucking God if 1.18 is Tyler Warren.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I swear to fucking God if 1.18 is Tyler Warren.

Again I'm fine with almost anything at 18 as long as OL is back to back in the 2nd round. That said, Zabel is a perfect fit for this OL and he wont be there at 50.

Given we have 27 active contracts for 2026 (tied for 4th fewest), I imagine we'll just draft BPA at 18... we have a lot of positions to fill with a lot of folks departing next year (yes can always give some extensions, but you catch my drift). That said, we don't even have a left guard on the roster lol...



There appears to be something missing there, I will be fairly annoyed if we take a safety... I know Mac wants his 3 safety system, but Bryant/Love are above average/borderline elite (respectively). You don't need another fuckin' safety at 18. And we've spent plenty on the defense. We spent a top 5 overall, top 20 overall last year... resigned Williams, resigned Reed, resigned Jones (and traded), signed D Law, extended Love, spent 2 2nds on Mafe/Hall, restructured Nwosu... meanwhile we've traded a QB for a cheaper option, resigned nobody at OL, let DK walk, cut Lockett.... seriously? The defense should be FINE with what we have.. We don't need another fuckin' DB with 18 overall.

And I doubt Warren is there at 18... he grades out SIMILARLY (not quite as good) as Bowers... he'll go possibly top 10 IMO given the weakness of the class. I could STOMACH it (again if we go OL/OL in 2nd). If we take Loveland at 18 I'll lose my shit.

 

[MrS]

Kiper has seahawks taking emmanwori at 18, think that's his latest Mock

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Kiper has seahawks taking emmanwori at 18, think that's his latest Mock

I'd be fairly annoyed with that, because I think we're decent at safety. Bryant is above average and Love is borderline elite (glad he rebounded after his injury). You don't need ANOTHER fuckin' safety to play BOX. You brought in Jones to stop the run, and Knight was doing okay last year too. And Emmanwori isn't even that great at tackling. Why?

That said, Kiper hasn't done too well in his mocks over the more recent years. He's just there for entertainment, controversy, and obvious "well this makes sense because look at what they did on the other team years ago DURRRR!" I stopped listening to Kiper after he screamed at the TV saying Seattle lost their guy by trading down to the Eagles and ended up with Wagner instead of the guy they really wanted in Kendricks... and literally blasted Seattle for like 2 minutes straight. Fuck Kiper.

He's probably just thinking "Kyle Hamilton = Emmanwori" (which he's not, not even close) and with Mac says "Pick that." Baltimore did not have Love/Bryant when Mac drafted Hamilton. They had Stone and Williams who are nowhere NEAR the talent of Bryant/Love. Stone and Williams are average if not below average safeties. They were OKAY in very limited roles where Baltimore could stop the run and force passes and allow Mac to scheme and put them in easy situations with Hamilton doing whatever.

Drafting Emmanwori... I get it.. Kyle Hamilton comparisons (although Emmanwori does not have the instincts of Hamilton, he's a physical freak, but not worth 18 overall), but I don't see Mac taking a safety at all. You simply don't need one. And if you want a box safety, find one in later rounds. Emmanwori is neither Kam Chancellor or Kyle Hamilton.


TLDR: Kiper mocking Emmanwori to Seattle is good news. Because Kiper has gone full retard and is there for entertainment/ratings and that means Seattle will not be drafting him since he's hardly ever right these days.

 

[flyerhawk]

Matt Miller released a full mock..

18 - Matthew Golden WR Texas
50 Tate Ratledge G Georgia
52 Jared Wilson C Georgia
82. Josiah Stewart ED Michigan
92 Ozzy Trapilo OT Boston College
137 Jamere Caldwell DT Oregon
172 Dillon Gabriel QB Oregon
175 Za Frazier CB UTSA
223 Jalin Conyers TE Texas Tech
234 Nick Martin LB OK St

Gotta say, I wouldn't be too upset with this draft. 3 offensive linemen in the first 5 picks would show a legal of aggression I would be happily surprised to see from JS.

 

[Anointed One]

Matt Miller released a full mock..

18 - Matthew Golden WR Texas
50 Tate Ratledge G Georgia
52 Jared Wilson C Georgia
82. Josiah Stewart ED Michigan
92 Ozzy Trapilo OT Boston College
137 Jamere Caldwell DT Oregon
172 Dillon Gabriel QB Oregon
175 Za Frazier CB UTSA
223 Jalin Conyers TE Texas Tech
234 Nick Martin LB OK St

Gotta say, I wouldn't be too upset with this draft. 3 offensive linemen in the first 5 picks would show a legal of aggression I would be happily surprised to see from JS.

I'm pretty high on Golden... I would be pumped if this was our draft... Stock piling on legit OL gives me goosebumps...

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I'm pretty high on Golden... I would be pumped if this was our draft... Stock piling on legit OL gives me goosebumps...

Same. I really don't care who we draft at 18 as long as it's back to back OL in the 2nd round (and there's enough interior OL depth in this draft available in the 2nd. Lucas is a concern but Cross will prob. be an all pro soon enough, he was snubbed of PB last year).

As previously said, I will be a little annoyed at Emmanwori because I think we're fine at safety and Baltimore did NOT have anything close to Love/Bryant when they drafted Hamilton. But most other positions I can stomach, ASSUMING we go OL/OL with the two 2nd rounders.

 

[MrS]

Hate taking WR round 1, if None of the OL are there should be a DL