Official 2012 Draft Signings Thread

[Darkstone42]

I didn't see a thread specifically dedicated to draft signings, so I figured I would make one. Here is a list:

Pirates Prospects 2012 Pittsburgh Pirates Draft Pick Signing Tracker

A few observations:

The Pirates have signed 15 of their 41 draft picks and 8 of their 11 top ten round picks.

In the top ten, only RHP Mark Appel (slot $2.9 million), CF Brandon Thomas (slot $336,700), and SS Kevin Ross (slot $138,200) remain. Of those three, I believe Ross is the least likely to sign.

14th round pick RHP Walker Buehler is widely considered an interesting player, and he remains unsigned as yet. He will be a very tough sign, however.

I've seen C Max Rossiter in action live, and he looks like he could be a solid player, certainly at least worth a look in our system. I hope we sign him, as well.

 

[Darkstone42]

Pittsburgh Pirates ‏@Pirates

The #Pirates sign their 24th rd selection in the 2012 Draft OF Tyler Gaffney from Stanford University.

Just now.

 

[thecrow124]

Mark Appel was at Yankee Stadium earlier today, so he is not in Pittsburgh getting a physical or anything.

 

[Darkstone42]

17th-round pick RHP Hayden Hurst has signed. He's already had Tommy John, but he can apparently hit 95 with his fastball, though tends to sit lower right now.

 

[steelparrot]

Michael Sanserino @msanserino

Not looking good for #Pirates and Mark Appel. Am told Appel's side thinks #Pirates made mistake by spending pool money on later picks.


Looking like we are going to have two first round picks next year.

 

[thecrow124]

Michael Sanserino @msanserino

Not looking good for #Pirates and Mark Appel. Am told Appel's side thinks #Pirates made mistake by spending pool money on later picks.


Looking like we are going to have two first round picks next year.

This is not at you steelparrot, but who the heck cares what Appel's side thinks. The Pirates side(well, me anyway) thinks that Appel's side made a mistake by not signing a lot earlier when he could have had a bigger slot of the bonus pie. Even Boras has to know that the Pirates can not position their entire draft on one player.

Regardless, Appel seems like a good kid so either way I wish him the best. I would also tend to agree with Keith Law......never thought I would say that, next years class does not look particularly strong on top, but should be deeper, so Appel should be able to go #1 or 2 overall. IMO of course.

 

[Illinest]

Yeah i dont give a shit about appels opinion on our draft strategy. Ive been expecting him not to sign anyways. I will be very gleeful if he slips past 8 next year though. Very gleeful indeed.

 

[Illinest]

LOL i am a troll.

@mark appels twitter - "greed is one of the seven deadly sins."

I win.

 

[steelparrot]

LOL

I dont care what Borass and Appel think about us using some of our 5% on other players. Just pointing out the why he didnt sign spin has already started. I guess we know for sure one way or the other soon.

Heyman just now "He wont sign for 3.8"

Quentin will go to Indians, Reds or Pirates.

 

[Darkstone42]

I would sign for $50K. That's twice my salary. I can't imagine being in the position to turn down $3.8 million because it's not enough.

 

[steelparrot]

Pirates Sign 16th Round Pick Max Moroff for $300,000

-200k for the Appel offer

 

[TheBurgh88]

Wow. He didn't sign. Foolish move unless Boras has something up his sleeve. A HUGE gamble to take when he was offered at least 3.8 million according to Neal. He better have a steller senior season or his offer could be even worse next year.

2013 -- #9 pick here we come

 

[element1286]

Dumbass move, I'm sure he is a good kid and everything, but he fails a real world application of microeconomics 101.

 

[evolver115]

This smells like a Boras decision. Probably was decided way back on the day of the draft last month that Appel wasn't going to sign.

Screw him and Appel. By the looks of things in the current standings, the Bucs will be fortunate to have a top ten pick, next season.

 

[Illinest]

It bugs me when people like him talk about god and faith and prayer and shit like that, but then they fail to act the part. This was greed.
He talks about academic opportunities now, but if he knew he wanted to finish school then the right thing to do would've been to be up front about it - not waste one of our draft picks while he wallows in his greed. We have a slotting system and he got an offer that was significantly over slot. We bent over backwards trying to appease this fucktard.

I don't think it's a big deal that the signing didn't happen. In fact I think that the fact that we will have 2 first rounders will give us the freedom to go after a 'faller' again. One of the two will have to be a safe under slot selection - most likely the ninth pick so that we don't lose it - but with our other pick we can go for broke. This is not such a bad result.
I am taking it personally that this piece of shit is such a hypocrite. I hope his labrum disintegrates.

 

[element1286]

FYI, the 9th pick next year is protected.

 

[steelparrot]

I think the competitive balance lottery is today, maybe we can a sandwich pick too.

 

[sychmd]

i think we will have 3 in the top 45 next year.
i could never really understand this. unless it is a huge difference signing this year than next, all they are doing is agreeing to playing for free now to lose a year of salary on the backend.
if he is a good pitcher, he could pitch till he is 36. now he will get paid for 15 years instead of 16. the starting years are relatively the same salary, so he is throwing away one of his free agent years to get a couple extra dollars now.
also, he gambles a big injury and he loses out on the 3.8 forever.
he can always finish his last year of school. it will wait. but that extra free agency year for a pitcher that is average or better. how much did maholm get this year?

 

[steelparrot]

The lottery has been moved to Wednesday for some reason.

Interesting stuff, these picks can be traded, but only once and only during the season.

I dont know how much they weigh the records but... among the teams in the draft we have the 5th worst record. So we have a real good shot to get a sandwich pick after the first round and if we dont, we would be almost guaranteed to get one of the six after the second round.

A nice little trading chip/pick we should get for free.

 

[steelparrot]

Now that Major League Baseball has gone through its first Draft and signing period under the new rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, it's time to move on to the next phase of the new system: the Competitive Balance Lottery.

The lottery, scheduled to take place Wednesday at 1:30 p.m. ET in New York, is a mechanism designed to help teams perceived to need the most assistance by awarding extra Draft picks to some of them. The 10 smallest-market teams and 10 lowest-revenue teams will have the chance to win one of six extra selections in the 2013 First-Year Player Draft.

Those half-dozen picks will be made at the conclusion of the first round, following the compensation selections. Because there is obvious crossover between those two groups, there are 13 teams entered into the first-round lottery: the D-backs, Orioles, Indians, Royals, A's, Pirates, Padres, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Marlins, Brewers and Cardinals. The odds of winning a Draft pick will be based on each team's winning percentage in the previous season.

There will be a second group of six picks, to be made after the conclusion of the second round. The teams from the first group that did not get one of the early picks will be re-entered, along with any other Major League team that receives revenue sharing. This year, only one team -- the Tigers -- will be added to the second lottery. The Competitive Balance Lottery winners and the order of their picks will be unveiled on MLB Network's "The Rundown" at 2:45 p.m. ET.

"[We just finished] off the first Draft with the new CBA," Pirates assistant general manager Greg Smith said. "No club, no scouting director, no scout had gone through that landscape [before]. The Competitive Balance picks will be the same thing. Clubs value Draft picks and the ability to have them, to add to them, even to trade them. As you try to acquire talent through the Draft or if you're trying to improve the big league club, then the picks become a part of that process."

Smith brought up one of the more intriguing aspects of this new process -- the picks that come out of it are commodities. For the first time in Major League history, Draft picks can be dealt. But there are a series of conditions and limitations regarding such transactions.

Only a team that wins a pick in the lottery can trade it, meaning that selection can be traded just once. It can't be sold for cash, and it may only be dealt during the season. Trading can commence the day after the lottery is held and is allowed until the end of that regular season. So seeing a lottery pick or two involved in some July 31 Trade Deadline deals is a possibility. They cannot be included in any Winter Meetings deals, however, with trading of picks again permitted at the beginning of the following regular season.

So the Pirates, or any team that might be involved in Deadline deals this month, can use a pick they receive in this lottery in their trade negotiations. How the picks are valued might vary from team to team, and trying to get a sense of their worth in an open market definitely falls under the "to be determined" category, but it does add something to the trading landscape.

"With us battling trying to stay on top, now in our efforts to improve the club, how do you factor [the picks] in? I think you do," Smith said. "It's going to be interesting because it's something that hasn't been there. There's potential for it to be a part of the overall dialogue as we get closer [to the Deadline]. It's a new twist.

"Some clubs value those differently. Some clubs might put a higher value on those types of picks than other teams, who might rather have a known player. But it adds to the intrigue."

The Pirates are one of eight teams known to be sending a representative to the Commissioner's Office for the lottery. Some of the teams are out of the race and might be more likely to hold the pick to add talent via next year's Draft. Smith admits that if the worst-case scenario is that the Pirates keep the pick for next year's Draft, there are worse situations to be in.

Indeed, the Pirates will be in good shape. They already know they'll have two first-round picks next year, one of them because they didn't sign their Stanford pitcher Mark Appel, their first-rounder this year.

"We'd be picking [No.] 9, [and] wherever we're picking based on our finish, so now we're looking at three potential picks in the top 45 or so," Smith said.


Major League Baseball to hold first Competitive Balance Lottery for extra Draft picks | MLB.com: News

Hmm with only about 14 teams going for the 12 picks, we get a free pick just about every year. The extra picks make the new cba bearable imho.