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[Sportster 72]

This is a football forum. I agree with Dad, it you want to talk about politics take it to the Political forum.

 

[j_y19]

Krush, its political. There is some definite angst and anger from the dark recesses of both sides of this issue. The Charlottesville fiasco has nothing to do with football or the Redskins and could quickly turn ugly. Leave it be and off this forum.

 

[gkekoa]

what happened in VA has nothing to do with the redskins team debate . i have allowed some leeway on things like the team name stuff because its our team .

myself and other posters dont want politics here . i spent too many years sifting through political debates with ESPN . i want to talk football here .

i dont want to hear about trump or obama, or war or anything else like that . i want to talk football . i have twitter and FB for politics . i can watch that crap on cable news . its the same with religon . no one here wants to be preached too or be told there isnt a god or which one is which .

i could care less about colin kaepernick and his politics or any other player if they arent on our team .

sports SportsHoopla has a political forum for anyone who wants to talk about that stuff and that is where it should be done .

the general board is the place to talk about the others unless for some reason we become interested in one of the protesting players

i dont know why that cant be respected .

i stopped watching ESPN because they bring politics into my escape . i dont give a crap about how jon gruden feels about gun control or abortion or transgender bathrooms .

i care about what happened on a play in a game i am watching

there are plenty of outlets to talk about all those issues . i am actually passionate about them but the redskins sports SportsHoopla message board is not the place to discuss them .

that is how i feel and i am not alone on this

I agree it has nothing to do with it; however, they will make it an issue. This entire thread is political in nature and thus the title of the thread. This thread is a Redskins issue that happens to be political. If people are too whiny and bitchy about politics, they don't have to look at this thread.

It is like when people say don't talk politics or religion at the dinner table. Ignorance doesn't make the issue go away.

 

[j_y19]

I agree it has nothing to do with it; however, they will make it an issue. This entire thread is political in nature and thus the title of the thread. This thread is a Redskins issue that happens to be political. If people are too whiny and bitchy about politics, they don't have to look at this thread.

It is like when people say don't talk politics or religion at the dinner table. Ignorance doesn't make the issue go away.

Its not that we are ignorant of the issue. The original thread was about the Redskins. Charlottesville has nothing to do with the team. Just take the conversation to the political forum. There are numerous threads that discuss this issue.

 

[skinsdad62]

this is what i am saying krush , now we have a back and forth over this even being here . the political forum is the place for this . if we start allowing this on the board then what happens with religion ? do we let that on ? global warming ? transgender bathrooms ? this isnt the place for that

look krush you are a good person and you mean well . you have great ideas, but lets not go ESPN here

ignoring the thread isnt something i should have to do because the name change could come back into play and have a legit value on the discussion of the team

 

[gkekoa]

The name debate is political in nature. I guarantee Charlottesville is brought up. Now, if it becomes a Charlottesville thread, you have a point.

 

[Sportster 72]

I agree it has nothing to do with it; however, they will make it an issue. This entire thread is political in nature and thus the title of the thread. This thread is a Redskins issue that happens to be political. If people are too whiny and bitchy about politics, they don't have to look at this thread.

It is like when people say don't talk politics or religion at the dinner table. Ignorance doesn't make the issue go away.

Whiny and bitchy huh? Some of us might deal with things like this every day at work and prefer are time away from work not be involved in the same thing.

Last I saw the title of this forum is Washington Redskins. What in the fuck does the Washington Redskins have to do with Charlottesville VA.

 

[gkekoa]

Whiny and bitchy huh? Some of us might deal with things like this every day at work and prefer are time away from work not be involved in the same thing.

Last I saw the title of this forum is Washington Redskins. What in the fuck does the Washington Redskins have to do with Charlottesville VA.

That is actually your opinion. It did have something to do with it for Krush because he said the article specifically about the Redskins name and its owner hit home after Charlottesville. It really didn't become political until you guys decided to make it a political thread.

If you don't want to be involved in a political discussion regarding the Redskins, don't open up a thread called Redskins name debate.

To answer your question, the media is painting Charlottesville as hate and hate speech. The redskins name is offensive according to them and is considered hate speech. Once the true outrage passes and the name comes back up, they will try to tie them in.

Oh yes...whiny and bitchy. When you run to Dad, not saying you, in private and cry that somebody says something political in nature, yes that is bitchy and whiny. Isn't Krush also a moderator? Just saying.

 

[skinsdad62]

That is actually your opinion. It did have something to do with it for Krush because he said the article specifically about the Redskins name and its owner hit home after Charlottesville. It really didn't become political until you guys decided to make it a political thread.

If you don't want to be involved in a political discussion regarding the Redskins, don't open up a thread called Redskins name debate.

To answer your question, the media is painting Charlottesville as hate and hate speech. The redskins name is offensive according to them and is considered hate speech. Once the true outrage passes and the name comes back up, they will try to tie them in.

Oh yes...whiny and bitchy. When you run to Dad, not saying you, in private and cry that somebody says something political in nature, yes that is bitchy and whiny. Isn't Krush also a moderator? Just saying.

the title of the thread is redskins name debate , not charlottesville what the hell happened debate thread .

now damn i have always tried to keep politics off the board . terry road had a political signature on his posting apparatus and i made him change it (he actually was very respectful and cool about it ) redskins name debate is a washington redskins board topic and its legit . charlottesville is not about the damn redskins name debate hence it doesnt belong on this forum

when and if it does become linked then we can open a dialogue up

now if krush wants to insist this be allowed then fine , i will stop preventing political discussions here and it can devolve into ESPN here

now either we are god damn going to keep it off or we are not . we have a damn political forum here for a purpose . use it if you just have to talk politics and respect other peoples wishes here who are good long term posters

 

[Sportster 72]

That is actually your opinion. It did have something to do with it for Krush because he said the article specifically about the Redskins name and its owner hit home after Charlottesville. It really didn't become political until you guys decided to make it a political thread.

If you don't want to be involved in a political discussion regarding the Redskins, don't open up a thread called Redskins name debate.

To answer your question, the media is painting Charlottesville as hate and hate speech. The redskins name is offensive according to them and is considered hate speech. Once the true outrage passes and the name comes back up, they will try to tie them in.

Oh yes...whiny and bitchy. When you run to Dad, not saying you, in private and cry that somebody says something political in nature, yes that is bitchy and whiny. Isn't Krush also a moderator? Just saying.

Krush is a moderator and someone I respect. We made decisions about this site when we came here from ESPN. I am not standing down, no more than I have for the Smack Talk thread. I don't work behind the scenes. I am up front and have no problem expressing my opinion. I keep my political opinions to myself. dad has talked about this before and I have no problem saying as much as I like Krush there is another forum for this.

If you all decide differently that is fine. I have no problem going elsewhere.

 

[skinsdad62]

Krush is a moderator and someone I respect. We made decisions about this site when we came here from ESPN. I am not standing down, no more than I have for the Smack Talk thread. I don't work behind the scenes. I am up front and have no problem expressing my opinion. I keep my political opinions to myself. dad has talked about this before and I have no problem saying as much as I like Krush there is another forum for this.

If you all decide differently that is fine. I have no problem going elsewhere.

we should not run off anybody sportster ritz and krush are also moderators here but i am on this board most often (at least posting )

i would hope no one here has major issues with how i have tried to let this board operate and i have tried to be fair with everyone as far as what they want this board to be . one of these tenets is to limit politics .

this board was dead before we got here

since then it has been a very active team board and i believe it has been that way because of the guidelines that i have put in place . i consulted with the higher ups on what i could and couldnt put up as rules

i truly dont see why i am getting resistance to this . there is a place for politics on the political forum .

hell we have an off topic thread that can be used for this .

i dont see why we have to bump up a name thread from a few years ago to carry on an unrelated topic with a political overtone .

 

[Sportster 72]

There is no resistance from me. I don't disagree with Krush. I was agreeing with you that if you want to talk politics do it on a political forum. Hell I don't care if you created a Political Thread just as was done with the Smack Talk Thread.

As I said I work in a job where social issues are a part of my everyday life. In the end what ever everybody wants is fine. If I don't like it I have the option of not reading or just moving on.

I appreciate your efforts dad. It isn't always easy being the ball in a tennis match.

 

[gkekoa]

It was one post by a moderator. I one line answered it and it still wasn't political.

It doesn't get political until you try to make it political...I mean more than the very name of the thread.

 

[Sportster 72]

Okay we can agree on one thing. I am all for Redskin players laying hands on opposing players and before you go thinking I am off on a religious tangent this has nothing to do with Earnest Angely.

 

[Krusheasy]

i understand & agree with everyone about not wanting politics involved with the forum

i also feel conflicted about censoring folks who are interested in talking about it

perhaps we can find a middle ground ?

i would support the idea of making this the "smack talk" thread for politics for those who want to post about issues

I would just hope that we can try & connect topics back to the team or sports in general.

I still feel i made a solid connection between this redskins topic and the current events .. but at this point after seeing how angry everyone got abot my post i dont even want to talk about it anymore.

 

[gkekoa]

i understand & agree with everyone about not wanting politics involved with the forum

i also feel conflicted about censoring folks who are interested in talking about it

perhaps we can find a middle ground ?

i would support the idea of making this the "smack talk" thread for politics for those who want to post about issues

I would just hope that we can try & connect topics back to the team or sports in general.

I still feel i made a solid connection between this redskins topic and the current events .. but at this point after seeing how angry everyone got abot my post i dont even want to talk about it anymore.

This deserves its own thread. They are right about there being a political forum for political stuff; however, you are right about a possible connection. Had people not attacked without thought, we likely would have had two posts about it. Yours and then mine.

There needs to be moderation if we get off subject and it no longer ties into the thread. This never got off topic, likely because it was nevertheless given that chance.

 

[skinsdad62]

this thread shouldnt be a political thread . it should stay as it is

we can make a political thread separate from this

i have interfered when coach goes on his trump /obama /soros tangents

terry rode i corrected about this stuff

most every time i have stepped in and asked for politics to be left at the door here

i can link most every political event to the redskins name debate but it doesnt mean it should be here because a possibility exists that it may lead to it

now i will be fair , i have engaged in political talks here , but i should not have . i wasnt doing my job by doing it

so i can compromise about this if you all want a political (separate) thread . if we do that then i will contact mr terry rodes and allow him to keep his signature as he wishes

 

[gkekoa]

this thread shouldnt be a political thread . it should stay as it is

we can make a political thread separate from this

i have interfered when coach goes on his trump /obama /soros tangents

terry rode i corrected about this stuff

most every time i have stepped in and asked for politics to be left at the door here

i can link most every political event to the redskins name debate but it doesnt mean it should be here because a possibility exists that it may lead to it

now i will be fair , i have engaged in political talks here , but i should not have . i wasnt doing my job by doing it

so i can compromise about this if you all want a political (separate) thread . if we do that then i will contact mr terry rodes and allow him to keep his signature as he wishes

Personally, I do not want a separate political thread; however, I would ask for a little leeway in some things such as this thread. Charlottesville is, or has been made to be, about hate. The argument aginast the term Redskins is it is hate speech. That was the connector. The leeway would have allowed for intelligent discourse about the correlation of the two. Had it gone off topic and gone bat shit crazy like the conversation I am having in the political forum, I would have had no problem with you reigning me in. You reigned this in before it started though.

 

[Sportster 72]

Although I understand the connection Krush made Charlottesville in and of itself has nothing to do with the Redskins. It isn't even about what Krush said, it is about what follows. One person says something good then the next goes a little further etc. etc.

I personally am in favor of a thread that you can post political, social or whatever you want issues. As Krush knows I am not a shit talker. I only came here because we agreed to a Smack Talk thread. By the time ESPN decided to close their forums it had turned into a shit show. It wasn't fun to me.

I don't see the harm is having a separate thread. Then no one is being censored. At the same time those of us who do not want to participate can steer clear.

 

[Stymietee]

I wanted to wait to have what I believed the response to be, confirmed. Now that it has been done, I want to offer a few thoughts.

1. No one is wrong or right on this issue, or where it is proper to have such discussions. It is POSSIBLE and honestly believable that there are people who don't make connections between real world events, politics, religion, and the like with programming and events that serve as an escape from those things.

2. It is equally POSSIBLE and honestly believable that there are others who find it logical to connect real world events, politics, religion and the like with the very things that are to others... a means to escape.

3. @Krush, I read that piece and want to thank you for posting it. It was brilliantly written, articulated a point that many here know is close to my heart and to be fair, posted a bit too soon. Please understand that this is NOT about taking sides for me, but instead, understanding that for too many people, until and unless something directly affects them or the things/folks that they care about, it is either not and issue or one that can be separated from their everyday lives.

With what I've just written in mind, please hold onto that article and repost it when one of our players in the coming weeks, take a knee, or raise a fist, when the anthem plays. Maybe it happens as soon as the next pre-season game, but when it does, and it will, let's hope that the dialogue that follows is constructive and as instructive as I believed you had hoped your posting to be.