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[Sportster 72]

Understood. I am a Civil War armchair historian myself..., but more so World War 1. Naval history would be a weakness for me.

Not trying to agenda post but if you haven't seen it, "Come and See" is a great film and is exactly the opposite of what you talked about with "entertainment". You probably have seen it or know what I am referring to.

I think WW2 Eastern Front is something that we know little about as Americans. Especially, the partisan effort against the German Army. Let me clarify, I don't know a lot about the Eastern Front for WW2. The Red Army during WW2 is complex and you almost need a decoder ring to have a good grasp of what happened. Or...at least I do. That being said, we learn little to nothing about the Red Army contribution during WW2 outside of bulk numbers and statistics. That is just my opinion. Some of those Soviet generals were prodigious commanders.

I am weak on WWI ... the CW and WWII captured held much more interest.

I agree regarding WWII on the eastern front. I have not seen Come and See, have to check it out sometime.

Of course than there is Brian Boru the last King of Ireland, Viking invasions and troubles in case you have too much times on your hands.

 

[duke1861]

I am not sure Zhukov was a genius per se .Soviet and now Russian tactics now rely on numbers . Guderian saw what combined arms can do

Personal opinion, but the Germans threw their very best at the Russians and were beaten at several key battles that Zhucov oversaw: Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad. He was also the architect behind the Battle of Kursk. Not to mention, he did take Berlin (with Konev on the left flank).

I agree that he used his numbers to his advantage but Zhukov beat Von Paulus, Von Bock, Von Manstein (with Vatutin's help), and Von Leeb. Zhucov was amazing.

Agreed that mass numbers had a big part of it...but Zhukov was a great defense commander. These are ALL my personal opinions.

 

[duke1861]

Tactically I think grant and lee were ahead of their time and in WW2 Patton was the real genius along with Rommel

All 3 of us (Sportster, you, and myself) could talk for days about this...LOL. Always good to chat about military history. I always learn more from others than hearing myself babble on.

I agree with everything you said about Lee and Grant. Forrest and George Thomas were brilliant as well. My opinion.

 

[duke1861]

I am weak on WWI ... the CW and WWII captured held much more interest.

I agree regarding WWII on the eastern front. I have not seen Come and See, have to check it out sometime.

Of course than there is Brian Boru the last King of Ireland, Viking invasions and troubles in case you have too much times on your hands.

CW history is great. Who do you admire or appreciate?

The Eastern Front is depressing and hard to follow. Eastern Front WW1 is a nightmare as you have to keep up with multiple nations.

Come and See is depressing as all get out. As a military man, you will be able to follow what is going on more than I did.

 

[skinsdad62]

Personal opinion, but the Germans threw their very best at the Russians and were beaten at several key battles that Zhucov oversaw: Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad. He was also the architect behind the Battle of Kursk. Not to mention, he did take Berlin (with Konev on the left flank).

I agree that he used his numbers to his advantage but Zhukov beat Von Paulus, Von Bock, Von Manstein (with Vatutin's help), and Von Leeb. Zhucov was amazing.

Agreed that mass numbers had a big part of it...but Zhukov was a great defense commander. These are ALL my personal opinions.

And all are valid , the cases can be made for what you are saying

 

[skinsdad62]

All 3 of us (Sportster, you, and myself) could talk for days about this...LOL. Always good to chat about military history. I always learn more from others than hearing myself babble on.

I agree with everything you said about Lee and Grant. Forrest and George Thomas were brilliant as well. My opinion.

Yes forrest was brilliant as was Thomas

 

[skinsdad62]

CW history is great. Who do you admire or appreciate?

The Eastern Front is depressing and hard to follow. Eastern Front WW1 is a nightmare as you have to keep up with multiple nations.

Come and See is depressing as all get out. As a military man, you will be able to follow what is going on more than I did.

WW1 is where technology was ahead of tactics hence the trenches

 

[duke1861]

WW1 is where technology was ahead of tactics hence the trenches

Most of the early French command (Joffre, Pau, Gallani) was trained in Napoleonic tactics. How many men died in a bayonet charge against maxim machine gun emplacements at the Battle of the Frontiers? Awful.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[skinsdad62]

Bronny James, older son of LeBron James, suffers cardiac arrest at USC basketball practice | CNN

Bronny James, the older son of NBA star LeBron James, suffered a cardiac arrest during basketball practice at the University of Southern California and was hospitalized Monday, according to a statement from a family spokesperson.

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anyone want to bet he was vaccinated?

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[gkekoa]

Bronny James, older son of LeBron James, suffers cardiac arrest at USC basketball practice | CNN

Bronny James, the older son of NBA star LeBron James, suffered a cardiac arrest during basketball practice at the University of Southern California and was hospitalized Monday, according to a statement from a family spokesperson.

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anyone want to bet he was vaccinated?

Freaking tragic. I am not a Lebron fan but he seems to be a good dad with little family issues. I pray Bronny recovers.

 

[skinsdad62]

Freaking tragic. I am not a Lebron fan but he seems to be a good dad with little family issues. I pray Bronny recovers.

Oh yes very tragic and most likely never had to happen

 

[duke1861]

Oh yes very tragic and most likely never had to happen

Reminds me of hank gathers actually.

 

[skinsdad62]

Reminds me of hank gathers actually.

Yes it does however this thing is seen more and more now do to the vax .the military has a 270% increase in this since soldiers were forced to take vaccinations

 

[PDay8810]

Reminds me of hank gathers actually.

He was vaccinated too

 

[skinsdad62]

He was vaccinated too

now thats funny , . the thing is hank was legit heart issue not caused by a vax , now truth be told the same thing can be true of bronny but i have to be skeptical

 

[duke1861]

He was vaccinated too

Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble...

What a duo. I was a kid but cheered them on.

 

[skinsdad62]

Hank Gathers and Bo Kimble...

What a duo. I was a kid but cheered them on.

that was a nice team they had