Series Thread: Off Season Entertainment

[nefansince75]

Switching this up some. A conversation with my brother yesterday spurred the following argument the details don't matter.

Debate:

Question: Do you view differently a man who might sell weed or cocaine to support his family differently than a man who goes to the office everyday?

For years I did, I considered the white collar business man more of an upright citizen and family man because he earned a check every week or two weeks. Then I considered what back grounds these men may have come from, what upbringing they may have had, what opportunities we presented to them that may have provided a better lifestyle. Then I thought about the guy selling weed or coke his life as risk every day and he knows it, jail or prison is a real risk, but if that's the only way to make ends meet and he is supporting a wife and kid for me its just as outstanding and effort as any other person.

The guy selling the pot/coke is a slime ball seizing an opportunity that's only available because he's operating in a black market. That doesn't mean the white collar guy isn't a slime ball too, depending whether his activities are in some way predatory.

 

[YankeeRebel]

The guy selling the pot/coke is a slime ball seizing an opportunity that's only available because he's operating in a black market. That doesn't mean the white collar guy isn't a slime ball too, depending whether his activities are in some way predatory.

Slimeball?

He's providing for his family by what might be his best means avaialble, and risking his life and freedom to do so. Seems more noble than slimey

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Switching this up some. A conversation with my brother yesterday spurred the following argument the details don't matter.

Debate:

Question: Do you view differently a man who might sell weed or cocaine to support his family differently than a man who goes to the office everyday?

For years I did, I considered the white collar business man more of an upright citizen and family man because he earned a check every week or two weeks. Then I considered what back grounds these men may have come from, what upbringing they may have had, what opportunities we presented to them that may have provided a better lifestyle. Then I thought about the guy selling weed or coke his life as risk every day and he knows it, jail or prison is a real risk, but if that's the only way to make ends meet and he is supporting a wife and kid for me its just as outstanding and effort as any other person.

Yes, I do view them differently. Way differently.
A solid work ethic is highly regarded whether for yourself or for others.
Selling drugs is selling drugs. It starts people down a path of self destruction and causes pain and misery to loved ones along the way.
I don't care if it's weed or not. I don't care if a pusher has a family or not.
A pusher is a pusher is a pusher.

Only difference being if a person with a job, whether self employed or not, grows some weed for self "medication" and trades or barters some of that with close friends. If it's a way of life to grow and sell, Nope. Common pusher.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Slimeball?

He's providing for his family by what might be his best means avaialble, and risking his life and freedom to do so. Seems more noble than slimey

Slime Ball. Scum Bag.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Slimeball?

He's providing for his family by what might be his best means avaialble, and risking his life and freedom to do so. Seems more noble than slimey

By potentially ruining others lives.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Yes, I do view them differently. Way differently.
A solid work ethic is highly regarded whether for yourself or for others.
Selling drugs is selling drugs. It starts people down a path of self destruction and causes pain and misery to loved ones along the way.
I don't care if it's weed or not. I don't care if a pusher has a family or not.
A pusher is a pusher is a pusher.

Only difference being if a person with a job, whether self employed or not, grows some weed for self "medication" and trades or barters some of that with close friends. If it's a way of life to grow and sell, Nope. Common pusher.

And if the white collar person is emebzzeling monies?

 

[YankeeRebel]

By potentially ruining others lives.

So you don't think a capitalist white collar business man has the potential to do the same?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

And if the white collar person is emebzzeling monies?

Crime is crime.
Now you are adding details that were not in the original question.
If you are asking if I view embezzling on the same scale as pushing drugs, that too is a sliding scale.
Stealing $20 out of a petty cash drawer or using the company gas card to fill your lawnmower can vs wiping out a thousand employees 401k accounts.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Crime is crime.
Now you are adding details that were not in the original question.
If you are asking if I view embezzling on the same scale as pushing drugs, that too is a sliding scale.
Stealing $20 out of a petty cash drawer or using the company gas card to fill your lawnmower can vs wiping out a thousand employees 401k accounts.

I am adding details not in the original question, on purpose too. I may also add the dude selling weed is in inner city kid that had not father a shitty education with little change to improve his situation. I did this because there are always varying situations and when we judge we may not know all the circumstances. The way I see it both are taking care of their responsibility.

I agree crime is crime but wouldn't we look at a billionaire selling weed differently than that inner city kid?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

So you don't think a capitalist white collar business man has the potential to do the same?

Again, original question was:
Question: Do you view differently a man who might sell weed or cocaine to support his family differently than a man who goes to the office everyday?

So, to over anal yze...Do I view differently a man who is committing a crime to support his family differently from a man who has a job.

The answer to that is yes.

If the question is:
Do I view a self employed criminal differently from a employee committing crimes differently from corporate crime that answer is no, crime is crime.

A lady from my home town swindled over a million dollars from the small utility she was employed by over a 25 year period. Maybe close to two mil.
Did she hurt any one? Eh. Everyone's electric rates had to cover it, so yeah. Everyone in town gave her an extra...$20 a year?
She did like 5 out of 8 years, or something like that. Lost the house she had renovated. Lost the condo or condos she had bought for her daughters.
Lost her daughters respect after they found out their weddings had been paid for by the parents of all of the friends they had grown up with. etc etc. Lost her and her husbands retirements.
Her life is essentially ruined. Punishment fit the crime. in my book.

Madoff? They should have resuscitated him so he could die again. No they should have hammered 100 toothpicks into his testicles and set them on fire. They should have skinned him alive appendage by appendage and douse each freshly exposed flesh with turpentine. They should removed his eyelids so he could not look away as they did the same to his sons. OK, maybe they were innocent, they turned him in.

A little bit of weed to kids? A year in jail. Lots of coke or Heroin? Firing squad.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I am adding details not in the original question, on purpose too. I may also add the dude selling weed is in inner city kid that had not father a shitty education with little change to improve his situation. I did this because there are always varying situations and when we judge we may not know all the circumstances. The way I see it both are taking care of their responsibility.

I agree crime is crime but wouldn't we look at a billionaire selling weed differently than that inner city kid?

I get your point. In this day and age there are help wanted posters every where. So No. Crime is crime.

A billionaire that sells a couple dime bags a year should do the same probation as an inner city poor man who gets busted with a couple dime bags.
A billionaire who gets caught pushing a kilo of blow should do the same time as an inner city bloke with a kilo.

 

[nefansince75]

Slimeball?

He's providing for his family by what might be his best means avaialble, and risking his life and freedom to do so. Seems more noble than slimey

So could being a hitman. Should we start discussing the merits of providing for your family with that occupation?

I'll start by saying there is no shortage of people who deserve to be on a hitman's list so the occupation could be viewed as a well paid community service.

 

[YankeeRebel]

So could being a hitman. Should we start discussing the merits of providing for your family with that occupation?

I'll start by saying there is no shortage of people who deserve to be on a hitman's list so the occupation could be viewed as a well paid community service.

Well I guess a hitman is providing a service but murder is a far different crime than selling weed or coke.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Well I guess a hitman is providing a service but murder is a far different crime than selling weed or coke.

Depends how much you sell and to who.
Depends on where you're getting it.
Depends on if it has been laced or cut with something more addictive and deadly.
In a lot of states they are now going after dealers with homicide charges for overdoses.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Depends how much you sell and to who.
Depends on where you're getting it.
Depends on if it has been laced or cut with something more addictive and deadly.
In a lot of states they are now going after dealers with homicide charges for overdoses.

I agree but for the purpose of this conversation let's assume its straight up weed and coke. And Mr. White collar is embezzling $50l a year

 

[Southieinnc]

I agree but for the purpose of this conversation let's assume its straight up weed and coke. And Mr. White collar is embezzling $50l a year

Under those pretexts, it is easy for me. Both criminals.

Without the Mr White embezzling, one is a criminal and one is not.
Most guys selling weed and coke only, in the 80's, it was just recreational. I'll advised but the norm for that time.
I have a heart for a man who would feed his family any way he could.

I spent much of the 80's turning in drug dealers and being chased by them. I would have a hard time feeling good about preventing this dad from taking even an inappropriate action.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I agree but for the purpose of this conversation let's assume its straight up weed and coke. And Mr. White collar is embezzling $50l a year

OK.
How much weed?
How much coke?
Specific customers or anybody that walks in?

And, embezzled a very specific amount. Is that a point where it goes from misdemeanor to felony or something of that nature?
Embezzled from a company where it is him and the owner or 76,000 employees worldwide doing $17 billion annually?

Both are criminals. But you have more exact terms on the embezzler than you do for the pusher.

 

[Carnzo]

<opens door and listens for a bit, quietly shuts door and runs away>

 

[nefansince75]

I agree but for the purpose of this conversation let's assume its straight up weed and coke. And Mr. White collar is embezzling $50l a year

lock'em both up... or better yet, set the hitman on them, then lock him up.

 

[YankeeRebel]

<opens door and listens for a bit, quietly shuts door and runs away>

I'm just trying to spark some conversation