Now that the draft is over...

[Stymietee]

How much has your attitude about this team changed from the end of last season?

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I voted not at all I have the same thought of this team as a did before the draft .. I urge all redskin fans to stay away from the ruthless local liberal press that is out to get big time Republican Snyder .. you actually think Snyder went Rogue took over the draft and the F.O and totally hijacked the draft thats what the press Was saying leading up to the draft .. the press paints a picture of the F.O being complete shambles day before the draft ..

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Redskins F.O redskins scouting is a well oiled Machine the only thing that stop us from being a elite team is injurys period Kyle smith will be are next G.M news will break around June book it Allen will stay on but a DIFFERNT roll

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I even seen a cartoon drawing of redskins coaches and D.W locked up in a cage why Daniel Snynder was smoking a cigar in his underwear with names of players on a dart board and he was holding a dart

 

[Sportster 72]

Not much. The head of the dragon and his butt sniffer are still there. I think the last 6 years drafts have been pretty good. Not great but pretty good.

What I did like was drafting Montez Sweat. If I had a choice my number one desire going into the draft was another impact DE/OLB. I think if this team is going to win they need to do it with defense.

As far as offense if we hit on a WR or two that would be huge. I don't like either of our QBs. I think the team has regressed in the past two years Case McCoy<Alex Smith<Kirk Cousin's. Hopefully Haskins is an improvement on all of them in 2020. If not draft a QB again next year. Unless Smith can come back we probably need to do that anyway. My guess is McCoy and Keenum are gone after this year.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Not much. The head of the dragon and his butt sniffer are still there. I think the last 6 years drafts have been pretty good. Not great but pretty good.

What I did like was drafting Montez Sweat. If I had a choice my number one desire going into the draft was another impact DE/OLB. I think if this team is going to win they need to do it with defense.

As far as offense if we hit on a WR or two that would be huge. I don't like either of our QBs. I think the team has regressed in the past two years Case McCoy<Alex Smith<Kirk Cousin's. Hopefully Haskins is an improvement on all of them in 2020. If not draft a QB again next year. Unless Smith can come back we probably need to do that anyway. My guess is McCoy and Keenum are gone after this year.

If you are suggesting drafting another QB in the mid rds next year then I have no issue with that. He could be a good backup or possibly even a miracle pick (ala Wilson, Brady, Cousins, etc). However if you are suggesting taking a QB with a 1st rd pick then I would have to say Hell No.

You can't evaluate a rookie QB simply on 1 year. Haskins may or may not pan out well this season or it is even possible that he rarely or never sees the field (doubt it). The Redskins have to get out of this mindset of either obtaining immediate results or moving on from a player. Different players take different amounts of time to develop. If players were only evaluated on a single season then a player like Goff would never have had a chance to show his skills. Oh well - perhaps I am misreading your reply (especially when you referred to Haskins play in 2020 - not 2019). In any case the Skins need to show an extreme amt of patience with all of their young players.

BTW - I realize that Gruden may not feel this way, and I would not blame him. However the overall organization needs to view things differently.

 

[Skins2021]

If you are suggesting drafting another QB in the mid rds next year then I have no issue with that. He could be a good backup or possibly even a miracle pick (ala Wilson, Brady, Cousins, etc). However if you are suggesting taking a QB with a 1st rd pick then I would have to say Hell No.

You can't evaluate a rookie QB simply on 1 year. Haskins may or may not pan out well this season or it is even possible that he rarely or never sees the field (doubt it). The Redskins have to get out of this mindset of either obtaining immediate results or moving on from a player. Different players take different amounts of time to develop. If players were only evaluated on a single season then a player like Goff would never have had a chance to show his skills. Oh well - perhaps I am misreading your reply (especially when you referred to Haskins play in 2020 - not 2019). In any case the Skins need to show an extreme amt of patience with all of their young players.

BTW - I realize that Gruden may not feel this way, and I would not blame him. However the overall organization needs to view things differently.

Why??? I think they got to see what Haskins can do this year at some point at least 8 starts. If they can get Fromm or Tua next year with a top 10 pick and Haskins didnt show much in 8+ starts it is a no brainer.

Only reason I dont think Haskins was a bad pick is because they didnt trade up for him, and because 2019 draft class was so incredibly weak why not swing for fences with pick? As long as you dont let anything in 2019 draft handicap you from what you do in a real more "normal" draft class of 2020.

Cardinals gave up on Rosen (bad move) after 1 year and Rosen is 10x the prospect that Haskins was. QB is most important position on field. Gotta get it figured out and cant be afraid to make a mistake or cut your ties.

 

[Skins2021]

Regarding the OP they had a good 2019 draft in an overall terrible draft class. Similar to 2013 when there were only a handful of players who turned out to be anything, I believe 2019 will have same results.

Maybe the Skins get lucky like the Eagles in 2013 when they landed Lane Johnson & Ertz in a super weak class. Maybe the Skins do the same. I dont think 2019 draft class will have much impact on any teams W/L.

Also, Snyder is still driving this ship with Bruce Allen. Till that changes, nah feelings havent changed. They arent any closer to a contending for a SB

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Why??? I think they got to see what Haskins can do this year at some point at least 8 starts. If they can get Fromm or Tua next year with a top 10 pick and Haskins didnt show much in 8+ starts it is a no brainer.

Only reason I dont think Haskins was a bad pick is because they didnt trade up for him, and because 2019 draft class was so incredibly weak why not swing for fences with pick? As long as you dont let anything in 2019 draft handicap you from what you do in a real more "normal" draft class of 2020.

Cardinals gave up on Rosen (bad move) after 1 year and Rosen is 10x the prospect that Haskins was. QB is most important position on field. Gotta get it figured out and cant be afraid to make a mistake or cut your ties.

You have got to be kidding me. So teams should throw a rookie on the field (perhaps with a team w/ issues on offense like the Skins & possibly when there are major injuries) & then decide at the end of the season whether he is their long term answer? LOL. Do you realize how many good to great QBs had subpar rookie seasons? Using your logic Goff would have been kicked to the curb after his rookie season & if so I doubt that they would have been in the SB last season.

Rosen is "10x the prospect that Haskins was"? Whatever you say chief. I guess that is why so many teams lined up at the Cards door to trade for him. You already compared Haskins to Campbell which is a joke & you said he has a slow release which proves that you don't know shit about him. I will bet you whatever you like that Haskins does much better than Rosen in the next 4-5 years. We will see.

The main thing is that you are advocating a no patience approach which is exactly the issue with Snyder, Allen & others in this organization. You can't keep planning on a season by season basis if you are hoping for long term success. You must play way too much Madden football.

 

[skinsdad62]

my opinion hasnt changed . the only team on our schedule we cant beat is the patriots . we have a chance in every other one .

i believe KC could take thos team to the playoffs last season injuries and all and i believe either case or haskins can this year if injuries are held in check

i think we are a borderline playoff team

 

[Sportster 72]

I did not stipulate. Follow some teams (the Eagles) and see what they did to get that top notch QB. If somehow Jake Fromm was available to you would you say no?

Sorry if you disagree but unless you are convinced you have your guy you are still looking for a guy. I am not saying we should use the No. 1 but you should always be looking to upgrade your talent … at every position.

In the end the team is going to need another QB if Haskins is the man. Colt Keenum are FAs and I don't expect to see A Smith back.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I did not stipulate. Follow some teams (the Eagles) and see what they did to get that top notch QB. If somehow Jake Fromm was available to you would you say no?

Sorry if you disagree but unless you are convinced you have your guy you are still looking for a guy. I am not saying we should use the No. 1 but you should always be looking to upgrade your talent … at every position.

In the end the team is going to need another QB if Haskins is the man. Colt Keenum are FAs and I don't expect to see A Smith back.

Oh well - fair enough. I would not use a top pick on a QB next season unless 1. Haskins is badly injured or 2. he plays significantly & proves to be a total disaster (on an epic level where most agree that he will never, ever be a top notch QB - quite different than simply making rookie mistakes). # 2 would be an extreme situation - I am honestly for giving Haskins at least 3 years.

Eagles drafted a QB after their questionable vet (Bradford) was proven not to be the answer. That is quite different than drafting a QB two years in a row in 1st rd. Ditto later for when they picked up FA Foles & he was signed as a backup. I am with you on finding a capable backup, but his role should be clear.

If Haskins does reasonable (i.e.. not awful) would I be in favor of taking Fromm in the 1st rd? Nope especially since there will be all types of other top quality players in the top of the 1st rd (which would be the case if this guy is that good). I guess my pt is that you have to be somewhat patient w/ QBs. It is fine to draft multiple top notch players at other positions (where snaps can be shared & guys can be moved around) but not at that position.

I would not use the Cards as an example since they drafted 2 QBs in the 1st 2 years in a row. Their organization is one that rivals the Skins in terms of poor decisions. BTW the Cards also sacked their coach after just one season & hired an unknown as head coach. They better hope it works out since it looks very suspect on the surface.

 

[Skins2021]

You have got to be kidding me. So teams should throw a rookie on the field (perhaps with a team w/ issues on offense like the Skins & possibly when there are major injuries) & then decide at the end of the season whether he is their long term answer? LOL. Do you realize how many good to great QBs had subpar rookie seasons? Using your logic Goff would have been kicked to the curb after his rookie season & if so I doubt that they would have been in the SB last season.

Rosen is "10x the prospect that Haskins was"? Whatever you say chief. I guess that is why so many teams lined up at the Cards door to trade for him. You already compared Haskins to Campbell which is a joke & you said he has a slow release which proves that you don't know shit about him. I will bet you whatever you like that Haskins does much better than Rosen in the next 4-5 years. We will see.

The main thing is that you are advocating a no patience approach which is exactly the issue with Snyder, Allen & others in this organization. You can't keep planning on a season by season basis if you are hoping for long term success. You must play way too much Madden football.

This team does need to take a more patient approach however 2019 draft class is truly an anomaly. It sucks, big time. Now this can all change but I doubt it because same things were said about the 2013 draft class which, sucked... big time.

I'd take you up on that Rosen bet whenever you want. I would trade Rosen for Haskins right now straight up TBH.

Haskins release time is slow I dont know what you think you saw or read. He is insanely slow footed and from 3/5 step drop back to till the time the football leaves his hand is really really really slow. He needs perfect protection to succeed. Maybe he will? I still wont bash the Skins for swinging for the fence at pick 15. They have nothing to lose.

Goff looks pretty good but I am not completely sold on him yet

 

[Stymietee]

If you are suggesting drafting another QB in the mid rds next year then I have no issue with that. He could be a good backup or possibly even a miracle pick (ala Wilson, Brady, Cousins, etc). However if you are suggesting taking a QB with a 1st rd pick then I would have to say Hell No.

You can't evaluate a rookie QB simply on 1 year. Haskins may or may not pan out well this season or it is even possible that he rarely or never sees the field (doubt it). The Redskins have to get out of this mindset of either obtaining immediate results or moving on from a player. Different players take different amounts of time to develop. If players were only evaluated on a single season then a player like Goff would never have had a chance to show his skills. Oh well - perhaps I am misreading your reply (especially when you referred to Haskins play in 2020 - not 2019). In any case the Skins need to show an extreme amt of patience with all of their young players.

BTW - I realize that Gruden may not feel this way, and I would not blame him. However the overall organization needs to view things differently.

Let me add to your point about Gruden, people aren't always stupid, they notice things about one another, players and coaches are not exempt from doing this as well. So, what's my point? When there's team sports being played the mantra is almost always about the team, the family and who has your back or doesn't, correct? Well, Gruden doing things for his own self serving reasons would most certainly be noticed and that could upset or destroy any desire to give their all for a guy who just trying to save his own ass. I know that it's a delicate balance and I too would not blame him for doing it, but your point about the organization viewing things differently is spot on. It's a nuanced but very important observation. Well done!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

A little long but when you get a chance watch this video - it will give you a very good summary on the pros and cons for Haskins. He breaks down the cons just after the 6 min. mark. The issue does not appear to be a late release but rather a not so tight spiral & some footwork. However this guy indicates that all of his issues are correctable given the rt coaching situation. This guy is extremely coachable & will put in the necessary time.

Towards the end the guy in the video indicated that guys like Rodgers & Brady had major issues when they first entered the NFL & worked them out. We will see, but all indications here are that given some time Haskins can be very successful in the NFL. A lock? No but hardly anyone is at that position.

 

[raptorlife4]

Stay healthy and we compete.

The Last few years its come down to that

 

[Stymietee]

A little long but when you get a chance watch this video - it will give you a very good summary on the pros and cons for Haskins. He breaks down the cons just after the 6 min. mark. The issue does not appear to be a late release but rather a not so tight spiral & some footwork. However this guy indicates that all of his issues are correctable given the rt coaching situation. This guy is extremely coachable & will put in the necessary time.

Towards the end the guy in the video indicated that guys like Rodgers & Brady had major issues when they first entered the NFL & worked them out. We will see, but all indications here are that given some time Haskins can be very successful in the NFL. A lock? No but hardly anyone is at that position.

I've posted this before, but it's never a bad idea to take another look at it! BTW: His breakdown is really good!

 

[DJ Fieri]

Gotta say I love what you guys did.....especially Haskins and Love.

 

[Sportster 72]

A little long but when you get a chance watch this video - it will give you a very good summary on the pros and cons for Haskins. He breaks down the cons just after the 6 min. mark. The issue does not appear to be a late release but rather a not so tight spiral & some footwork. However this guy indicates that all of his issues are correctable given the rt coaching situation. This guy is extremely coachable & will put in the necessary time.

Towards the end the guy in the video indicated that guys like Rodgers & Brady had major issues when they first entered the NFL & worked them out. We will see, but all indications here are that given some time Haskins can be very successful in the NFL. A lock? No but hardly anyone is at that position.

Being a Penn State fan I am very familiar with their game against OSU and Haskins. Penn State was dominating the game and Haskins did not look like much at all. The Buckeyes went to the screen game and everything changed. Penn State couldn't defend it and then as mentioned gave up a 96 yard drive on three screen plays. The announcers were going crazy but I thought the biggest reason Ohio State won was Franklin and his DC did not adjust to a simple screen game.

Long story short, I am happy the Redskins drafted this kid but I don't think he is ready yet. I am much more excited about Sweat and a couple of other guys at least for this year. Long term Haskins might be good.

 

[Stymietee]

Being a Penn State fan I am very familiar with their game against OSU and Haskins. Penn State was dominating the game and Haskins did not look like much at all. The Buckeyes went to the screen game and everything changed. Penn State couldn't defend it and then as mentioned gave up a 96 yard drive on three screen plays. The announcers were going crazy but I thought the biggest reason Ohio State won was Franklin and his DC did not adjust to a simple screen game.

Long story short, I am happy the Redskins drafted this kid but I don't think he is ready yet. I am much more excited about Sweat and a couple of other guys at least for this year. Long term Haskins might be good.

I remember that you weren't particularly impressed with Franklin when I mentioned that I had my eye on himas possibly a future NFL HC. What I can't remember is your actual take on his coaching skills. I hope that you don't mind, but would you help me to refresh my memory by restating your POV on him? Thanks!