Nos' SportsHoopla N.F.L. Mock Draft

[gkekoa]

That's bullshit. He's a great guy, and I'm sure there's a flip side to that story. The guy did a ton of charity in Dallas and in Florida and didn't seek attention for it.

BS really? I gave you an actual story that I got from the teacher who taught the class and it's BS?

What could the flip side be? There is no excuse.

You claim he didn't want attention but you know about said works. HMMM.

 

[UK Cowboy]

The 49ers would be very happy with that draft...no doubt.

The 49er's aren't my team, but I think they are in an interesting spot. I think they have been the most talented team the last few years, but With Kap and A Smith running into off the field trouble, some age creeping in on their DL, some OL contracts coming up that are going to demand huge salary increases, and their division continuing to improve, they really need a strong draft this year or they might end up missing their window on another Title run

 

[UK Cowboy]

BS really? I gave you an actual story that I got from the teacher who taught the class and it's BS?

What could the flip side be? There is no excuse.

You claim he didn't want attention but you know about said works. HMMM.

A Redskin s fan heard this from a teacher friend? Suspect at best. What if he were told that he could make an appearance for a paid autograph signing? I don't know the fact's and neither do you. I've met Emmitt, he is a very humble and nice guy who does a lot of charity work. So yeah, I think your teacher friend is full of shit

 

[Nosferatu]

22. Philadelphia : Trey Millard - FB - Oklahoma
23. San Francisco : Josh Mauro -DE - Stanford
24. Cincinnati : OTC
25. Minnesota :
26. Chicago :
27. Chicago :
28. Chicago :
29. New England :
30. Chicago :
31. Denver :

 

[supreme_clientele81]

The 49er's aren't my team, but I think they are in an interesting spot. I think they have been the most talented team the last few years, but With Kap and A Smith running into off the field trouble, some age creeping in on their DL, some OL contracts coming up that are going to demand huge salary increases, and their division continuing to improve, they really need a strong draft this year or they might end up missing their window on another Title run

Smith off field stuff worries me. The Kap stuff is overblown IMO. Also other than Iupati our O-Line is signed for a few more years. The division does worry me especially the Rams but if they don't move on from Bradford they can't win IMO.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Smith off field stuff worries me. The Kap stuff is overblown IMO. Also other than Iupati our O-Line is signed for a few more years. The division does worry me especially the Rams but if they don't move on from Bradford they can't win IMO.

The Rams are the most interesting team in the draft to me. They have so many ways to go. They could trade down. They could take Robinson or Watkins at #2 or they could take Manziel. They could take a kid like Gilbert of Evans at 13 or draft Carr. They could go BPA at #2 and #13 and then get a kid like Mettenberger in the 2nd. Or they could just stick with Bradford. What they do is going to determine how the draft shapes up

 

[Nosferatu]

Just to give my opinion about Emmitt and Barry. Emmitt is overrated, it's not a matter of opinion, he had maybe the best offensive line in league history and played with a Championship team around him. Was he a great football player? Absolutely but IMO he's not even top 5 for all time running backs and I would struggle to make him top 10 but I would say somewhere between 8 - 12.


Using the if Barry had that offensive line doesn't work for me, Barry wasn't the type of back who just exploded through the hole and outran everyone, he liked to bounce a few times, break a few ankles then head up field. He also did not have a terrible offensive line or team around him, that's something people just don't seem to understand.


I like to use the what if Walter Payton had that offensive line and team around him, he would have put up numbers nobody would have ever touched.

 

[Nosferatu]

After the Bengals pick I have 4 picks then New England is up and then I pick again so we could get through some picks in a hurry here.

 

[UK Cowboy]

After the Bengals pick I have 4 picks then New England is up and then I pick again so we could get through some picks in a hurry here.

I've got 3 left and am ready. We may finish

 

[UK Cowboy]

Just to give my opinion about Emmitt and Barry. Emmitt is overrated, it's not a matter of opinion, he had maybe the best offensive line in league history and played with a Championship team around him. Was he a great football player? Absolutely but IMO he's not even top 5 for all time running backs and I would struggle to make him top 10 but I would say somewhere between 8 - 12.


Using the if Barry had that offensive line doesn't work for me, Barry wasn't the type of back who just exploded through the hole and outran everyone, he liked to bounce a few times, break a few ankles then head up field. He also did not have a terrible offensive line or team around him, that's something people just don't seem to understand.


I like to use the what if Walter Payton had that offensive line and team around him, he would have put up numbers nobody would have ever touched.

That is a fairer debate, though I disagree on Emmitt being overrated. Unselfish is what I would call Emmitt and more so, Aikman off that team. As to guys who would have killed it if they could have played behind those power run OL's, I agree Barry wasn't the fit. Give me A Peterson, followed closely by Bo Jackson and Eric Dickerson for 2000 yards a year easily

 

[Nosferatu]

That is a fairer debate, though I disagree on Emmitt being overrated. Unselfish is what I would call Emmitt and more so, Aikman off that team. As to guys who would have killed it if they could have played behind those power run OL's, I agree Barry wasn't the fit. Give me A Peterson, followed closely by Bo Jackson and Eric Dickerson for 2000 yards a year easily

Yeah, if I didn't use Walter it would have been Dickerson. I actually liked Emmitt because I liked his toughness but there really wasn't anything special about him other than that. I honestly believe I could come up with 20 backs who would have put up just as good of numbers as Emmitt did on that team.

One stat I like to use is even with that great team around him Emmitt averaged more than 4.3 yards per carry only 3 times in his career. That's simply not good. But a lot of that can be due to he got so many goal line carries but it's still not the sign of an elite running back IMO.

Oh and I don't think Emmitt was unselfish at all, you got the ball inside the 10 guess who's getting it 3 times and sometimes 4 times? That's why he had as many rushing TD's as Aikman did passing I think it was like 145 - 156. Emmitt had more 20+ TD seasons than Aikman did.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Yeah, if I didn't use Walter it would have been Dickerson. I actually liked Emmitt because I liked his toughness but there really wasn't anything special about him other than that. I honestly believe I could come up with 20 backs who would have put up just as good of numbers as Emmitt did on that team.

One stat I like to use is even with that great team around him Emmitt averaged more than 4.3 yards per carry only 3 times in his career. That's simply not good. But a lot of that can be due to he got so many goal line carries but it's still not the sign of an elite running back IMO.

Oh and I don't think Emmitt was unselfish at all, you got the ball inside the 10 guess who's getting it 3 times and sometimes 4 times? That's why he had as many rushing TD's as Aikman did passing I think it was like 145 - 156. Emmitt had more 20+ TD seasons than Aikman did.

I think Emmitt was unselfish for all the reasons you just stated. If he came off the field on every 1st and goal from the 5, 3rd and one or 4th and inches, when he is slamming into an 8-9 man front (at 5'9'' tops), to game a foot that wins the game for his team, he no doubt shortened his career, but more than that, you could easlily take that 4.3 average and make it 5.0. Consider all the times Dallas would have a 1st and goal from the 5 and give it to him 4 straight times, or the 3rd and 4th and 1's. How many times per game did he do that, 6, 7, 8 sometimes. Lets say the number were 5. Emmitt has 25 carries for 110 yards. Back out the 5 carries where he might have gained 8 yards(but were the difference in the game), and you have 20 for 102

 

[Nosferatu]

I think Emmitt was unselfish for all the reasons you just stated. If he came off the field on every 1st and goal from the 5, 3rd and one or 4th and inches, when he is slamming into an 8-9 man front (at 5'9'' tops), to game a foot that wins the game for his team, he no doubt shortened his career, but more than that, you could easlily take that 4.3 average and make it 5.0. Consider all the times Dallas would have a 1st and goal from the 5 and give it to him 4 straight times, or the 3rd and 4th and 1's. How many times per game did he do that, 6, 7, 8 sometimes. Lets say the number were 5. Emmitt has 25 carries for 110 yards. Back out the 5 carries where he might have gained 8 yards(but were the difference in the game), and you have 20 for 102

A lot of running backs run the ball on 3rd or 4th and short that's their job, maybe if Emmitt ran it in the first time he wouldn't have needed 4 attempts inside the 5. It's not like the Cowboys didn't have other players teams had to worry about, think about people like Walter Payton, he was his teams offense they had nothing else and he still had a higher yards per carry average than Emmitt.

 

[Nosferatu]

Bottom line for me is, was Emmitt a great back yes he was. Does he deserve to be mentioned when talking about the greatest backs of all time, not even on accident should he be mentioned with players like Payton, Dickerson, Simpson and others. He's in that 2nd tier of backs that should be talked about as fringe top 10.

 

[melmaan]

Just to give my opinion about Emmitt and Barry. Emmitt is overrated, it's not a matter of opinion, he had maybe the best offensive line in league history and played with a Championship team around him. Was he a great football player? Absolutely but IMO he's not even top 5 for all time running backs and I would struggle to make him top 10 but I would say somewhere between 8 - 12.


Using the if Barry had that offensive line doesn't work for me, Barry wasn't the type of back who just exploded through the hole and outran everyone, he liked to bounce a few times, break a few ankles then head up field. He also did not have a terrible offensive line or team around him, that's something people just don't seem to understand.


I like to use the what if Walter Payton had that offensive line and team around him, he would have put up numbers nobody would have ever touched.

Agreed ...
#1 - Jim Brown .... if Deacon Jones says so no one can argue
#2 - Barry Sanders = unique
#3 - Earl Campbell HURT people
#4 - Bo Jackson ... don't care what folks say about a short career. He was AMAZING
#5 - Gayle Sayers
#6 - Walter Peyton
#7 - Eric Dickerson
#8 - the Murderer
#9 - Marion Motley ... never saw BUT
#10 - Lenny Moore
#11 ..... Emmitt gets his due

 

[gkekoa]

Agreed ...
#1 - Jim Brown .... if Deacon Jones says so no one can argue
#2 - Barry Sanders = unique
#3 - Earl Campbell HURT people
#4 - Bo Jackson ... don't care what folks say about a short career. He was AMAZING
#5 - Gayle Sayers
#6 - Walter Peyton
#7 - Eric Dickerson
#8 - the Murderer
#9 - Marion Motley ... never saw BUT
#10 -
#11 ..... Emmitt gets his due

Jim Brown and Earl Campbell are overrated if you put them in the game of today. Jim Brown was the size of an DL of that era...in today's game, he's nothing special. You left out other guys who were better backs than Emmitt as well such as Marshall Faulk and Ladanian Tomlinson.

 

[Nosferatu]

Agreed ...
#1 - Jim Brown .... if Deacon Jones says so no one can argue
#2 - Barry Sanders = unique
#3 - Earl Campbell HURT people
#4 - Bo Jackson ... don't care what folks say about a short career. He was AMAZING
#5 - Gayle Sayers
#6 - Walter Peyton
#7 - Eric Dickerson
#8 - the Murderer
#9 - Marion Motley ... never saw BUT
#10 - Lenny Moore
#11 ..... Emmitt gets his due

IMO any list that puts Sayers above Payton should not be taken seriously. Jim Brown is not #1 who cares what Deacon Jones thought. Barry Sanders is not #2 and is borderline top 5 IMO. Motley and Moore were very good players but don't belong in the top 10 IMO. Bo Jackson was a freak of nature but he doesn't get to be on the list because of what could have been, if so where Terrell Davis?

 

[gkekoa]

A Redskin s fan heard this from a teacher friend? Suspect at best. What if he were told that he could make an appearance for a paid autograph signing? I don't know the fact's and neither do you. I've met Emmitt, he is a very humble and nice guy who does a lot of charity work. So yeah, I think your teacher friend is full of shit

So a Cowboy fan defending him when he doesn't live in Emmitt's hometown makes more sense?

 

[Nosferatu]

My list would probably look something like...


1. Walter Payton, IMO there will never be another back like "Sweetness" he did everything great and played on some of the worst offenses in league history.


2. Eric Dickerson, ran the ball like nobody ever has, man it was fun watching him play.


3. O.J. Simpson, like Payton was his teams only threat and simply had one of the greatest seasons any football player has ever had.




Then you can make arguments for a bunch of other players to fill out the top 10.
Sanders, Brown, Campbell, Martin, Dorsett, Allen and others.


I also think we need to start adding recent and current players to these lists.
Faulk, LT2, Peterson

 

[Nosferatu]

You know whats funny and i'm probably alone in thinking this but Emmitt isn't even the best running back the Cowboys have ever had much less the league. I'll take Tony Dorsett.