Norris trophy finalists

[dare2be]

BTW, here's Beauchemin's line:

Pos	Hits	BkS	MsS	GvA	TkA
D	81	111	27	35	17

Clearly the defensive winner, but at only half the offensive production of the top defensemen scorers. Tough call.

 

[pixburgher66]

Tough to nitpick there. I like the first and second most probably. First is sort of the best of all of them for consistency across the board, but second is nice because of limited giveaways. I like the combination of 45 hits and 59 blocks a lot though. Third one has wayyyy too many giveaways when you combine with other stats.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

BTW, here's Beauchemin's line:

D	81	111	27	35	17

Clearly the defensive winner, but at only half the offensive production. Tough call.

clearly?

D 115	115	35	16	10

 

[dare2be]

clearly?

D 115	115	35	16	10

I was referring to amongst the 3 nominees and Beauch.

 

[esls79]

Hits are so subjective however, just because you make a hit doesn't mean you get credited with one.

 

[dare2be]

Hits are so subjective however, just because you make a hit doesn't mean you get credited with one.

Yeah, I was looking primarily at the blocked shots, and take/give ratio.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

A negative Corsi for Suter may mean the Wild are very passive when defending their own zone 5 on 5. A positive Corsi means a defensemans team is better at generating shots for when he's on the ice, and then this boils down to this being an offensive award again and a defensive award second.

changed it abit because it is team stat reliant

however the Wild did outshoot their opponents in 27 of the 48 games of the regular season (and they tied their opponents in 5 other games)

 

[esls79]

BTW, here's Beauchemin's line:

Pos	Hits	BkS	MsS	GvA	TkA
D	81	111	27	35	17

Clearly the defensive winner, but at only half the offensive production of the top defensemen scorers. Tough call.

Beauchemin has more goals than Letang or Suter, just not as many assists. The ability to rack up powerplay assists should not determine the Norris to me.

 

[esls79]

changed it abit because it is team stat reliant

however the Wild did outshoot their opponents in 27 of the 48 games of the regular season (and they tied their opponents in 5 other games)

The Wild was the least penalized team in the league this season, and theoretically it's easier to get shots when not a man down.

 

[IPostedWhat]

How about we just conclude that no one is happy no matter what happens?

 

[jstewismybastardson]

The Wild was the least penalized team in the league this season, and theoretically it's easier to get shots when not a man down.

yet Suter ended up with a negative 5v5 Corsi

 

[dare2be]

Beauchemin has more goals than Letang or Suter, just not as many assists. The ability to rack up powerplay assists should not determine the Norris to me.

Then that would preclude Subban from the list, then. He had the highest PP numbers (goals and assists) than anyone else, by a longshot.

BTW, Letang led the league in even strength numbers by a longshot, and that was with 25% less games played.

 

[dash]

How about we just conclude that no one is happy no matter what happens?

I'm happy with that conclusion...

 

[dash]

Beauchemin has more goals than Letang or Suter, just not as many assists. The ability to rack up powerplay assists should not determine the Norris to me.

Primary, secondary, or tertiary assists?

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I was referring to amongst the 3 nominees and Beauch.

my bad didnt realize you had brought him into the discussion earlier





/and btw those stats I posted were for Seidenberg

 

[dare2be]

my bad didnt realize you had brought him into the discussion earlier





/and btw those stats I posted were for Seidenberg

For the record, rares brought in Beauch to the discussion, so I just followed suit.

 

[IPostedWhat]

I'm happy with that conclusion...

 

[dash]

I would bet that the majority of writers who cast their ballots that ultimately determine the three finalists just take a cursory look at the main statistical categories. It is still a popularity contest for the most part.

/That isn't meant to offend any of you stat hounds, by the way, you would hope that writers would dive deeper into the stats especially when it is a close race, I just don't think it happens.

 

[dare2be]

I'm not a stat hound. Just using the stats to get an idea of an overall picture. I'd vote Martin, for his complete turnaround this year and he has more takeaways than giveaways.

 

[esls79]

yet Suter ended up with a negative 5v5 Corsi

That means Suter is a shut down type d-man matching up against other teams' top lines (that and his first 10 games with the Wild, he was atrocious)