NFL decrees that all teams must hire a woman or a minority

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Sounds like you misunderstand this. This isn't about teams having to have minority coaches. Every team has minority coaches.

The league said that every team--in addition to all of its other offensive assistants--now has to invent a new "minority offensive assistant" coach position and put a woman or minority in it. The new Minority Assistant has to "work closely" with the HC and offensive staff.

If that's the case I did misunderstand it.

If this goes ahead in the way you're representing it, (and i'm not saying you're wrong), then the new position will likely become a metrics position. The minority assistant will be end up being in charge of multiple theoretical math specialists who will advise on whether to go for the 4th down situations or kick. Sadly Brünnhilde won't be joining the Vikings staff.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

If this goes ahead in the way you're representing it, (and i'm not saying you're wrong), then the new position will likely become a metrics position. The minority assistant will be end up being in charge of multiple theoretical math specialists who will advise on whether to go for the 4th down situations or kick. Sadly Brünnhilde won't be joining the Vikings staff.

When i say a "new" position, I don't mean something new in a coaching or scientific sense. I mean that yesterday we had 9 offensive coaches and now the league says we have to have one more (hence, a "new" job) that is a woman or minority and the only guidance as to what that person is supposed to do is "work closely with the offensive staff and HC."

I'm expecting most teams to make this new Minority Assistant into something like a quality control coach, a film reviewer, or some kind of offense-sided intern who studies the gameplans or something.

 

[The Q]

NFL: All teams must add minority offensive coach

To ensure more opportunities for diverse candidates, the NFL has added requirements on the hiring of offensive assistant coaches, and women in general.

www.espn.com

I get the idea behind it. The offensive side is where a lot of the HCs have been coming from for the last several years and that trend looks to continue. And the numbers say that the offensive side has fewer minority coaches than the defensive side. So, the league is trying to force more minorities and women into offensive coaching by creating a "position" that works closely with the offense, but the league won't tell the teams exactly what that means or what this person's responsibilities need to be.

This isn't a WR coach, or the Asst. OLine coach, or even a Quality Control Coach b/c only certain races and sexes can apply for it. So, that makes this position , for lack of a better term, the Minority Assistant. When it's such a nebulous position and the key qualification is the color of one's skin or the fact that you have XX chromosomes, that reeks of tokenism.

I get why the league is doing it--they're playing a longer game, trying to build up the number of women/minorities in offensive coaching, and thereby theoretically, increase the number of women/minority HCs years and years in the future.

Still. A job where certain races or sexes need not apply....there's a word for that, isn't there?

Beyond the obvious part.

Just like baseballs think of how insulting it is to the guys who have dedicated their lives to the sport getting passed over for this pr stunt

 

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When i say a "new" position, I don't mean something new in a coaching or scientific sense. I mean that yesterday we had 9 offensive coaches and now the league says we have to have one more (hence, a "new" job) that is a woman or minority and the only guidance as to what that person is supposed to do is "work closely with the offensive staff and HC."

I'm expecting most teams to make this new Minority Assistant into something like a quality control coach, a film reviewer, or some kind of offense-sided intern who studies the gameplans or something.

I have now looked at what has been posted on sites like NFL.com, ESPN, Wikipedia, etc and I don't see where you are getting this 'new job' from. Again, I could be wrong, but from what i'm reading all this rule will do is stop a team from having an all white male offensive coaching staff. If so it's a good thing.

Rooney Rule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tainthappening]

I have now looked at what has been posted on sites like NFL.com, ESPN, Wikipedia, etc and I don't see where you are getting this 'new job' from. Again, I could be wrong, but from what i'm reading all this rule will do is stop a team from having an all white male offensive coaching staff. If so it's a good thing.

Rooney Rule - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

OP got it right, not sure where you are reading that you do not see this.

NFL: All teams must add minority offensive coach

To ensure more opportunities for diverse candidates, the NFL has added requirements on the hiring of offensive assistant coaches, and women in general.

www.espn.com

The coach can be "a female or a member of an ethnic or racial minority," according to the policy adopted by NFL owners during their annual meeting, and will be paid from a league-wide fund. The coach must work closely with the head coach and the offensive staff, with the goal of increasing minority participation in the pool of offensive coaches that eventually produces the most sought-after candidates for head-coaching positions.

 

[fastforward]

OP got it right, not sure where you are reading that you do not see this.

NFL: All teams must add minority offensive coach

To ensure more opportunities for diverse candidates, the NFL has added requirements on the hiring of offensive assistant coaches, and women in general.

www.espn.com

2 paragraphs later from the article you are quoting:

"Some teams already have a coach or coaches in similar assistant roles, which will count toward the program, NFL chief administrative officer Dasha Smith said. But the requirement for all teams represents the first hiring mandate in the history of the Rooney Rule, named after Art Rooney's father and designed to elevate minority hiring at all levels of the league".

By definition it can't be creating a new job if some teams already have someone in that job. Again, I may have it wrong, but if I do have it wrong I would have thought there would be a clear and unequivocal policy statement posted on NFL.com. The clearest post I have seen on the subject is the current Wikpedia page.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

2 paragraphs later from the article you are quoting:

"Some teams already have a coach or coaches in similar assistant roles, which will count toward the program, NFL chief administrative officer Dasha Smith said. But the requirement for all teams represents the first hiring mandate in the history of the Rooney Rule, named after Art Rooney's father and designed to elevate minority hiring at all levels of the league".

By definition it can't be creating a new job if some teams already have someone in that job. Again, I may have it wrong, but if I do have it wrong I would have thought there would be a clear and unequivocal policy statement posted on NFL.com. The clearest post I have seen on the subject is the current Wikpedia page.

@Tainthappening , fastforward could be right here. If some teams already have a coach that qualifies, it's gonna depend on what job that coach has. I.e., every team has a HC, OC, position coaches, asst. position coaches, and even asst. HCs. This "minority assistant" has to be something other than that.

From what I can find, already having a minority at HC, OC, or position coach, does not qualify. Based on that, it sounds like a team might be able to meet this new requirement by already having a minority quality control coach or even some kind of coaching intern.

To get to the bottom of this, I think we're gonna need real info--which teams already have this "minority assistant", who are they, and what do they do. I'll keep looking. Ya'll do the same. Keep me posted.

 

[sonnyblack65]

LGBTQ is already in trouble with each other. Queers are now generally those that are non-binary and/or non sexual.
This means anybody can qualify for this potential position by merely claiming they are not anything!
The Supreme Court candidate not being able to define what a woman is is hilarious.
I have a pretty darn good idea what a woman is. I have no interest in broadening the scope.

I think we have had enough of Aaron Rodgers talk this off-season

 

[Edonidd]

When i say a "new" position, I don't mean something new in a coaching or scientific sense. I mean that yesterday we had 9 offensive coaches and now the league says we have to have one more (hence, a "new" job) that is a woman or minority and the only guidance as to what that person is supposed to do is "work closely with the offensive staff and HC."

I'm expecting most teams to make this new Minority Assistant into something like a quality control coach, a film reviewer, or some kind of offense-sided intern who studies the gameplans or something.

I don't think offensive quality control will fulfill the requirements. JMO though can't confirm that yet.

From my reading of the rule anyone who currently has a minority offensive coordinator OR someone who "works closely with the HC" won't have to do anything. I would assume you have to have a title like assistant head coach to qualify. Like sometimes there's a Marinelli or somebody like that they're so good as a position coach that they stay instead of "moving up" to coordinator. But at the same time they're a HC candidate because they're good position coaches.

Any team who doesn't have a minority in one of those positions will need to hire (or possibly promote) somebody to that position. But the league will pay that coaches salary so it's not forcing teams to do this out of pocket.

I doubt the quality control coach will qualify. But I'm betting we'll see a whole bunch of position coaches slapped with assistant head coach labels. Or I'm sure some teams will have co-coordinators. Probably one guy that calls all of the plays and a the other minority.

I did see an article complaining that there were still like 7 teams that had never had a minority head coach or general manager. That means 25 teams though have put a minority in the highest position. So I really think they're blowing this made up "problem" way out of proportion. The only reason I have any problem with it though is I hate letting people bullshit me.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

I don't think offensive quality control will fulfill the requirements. JMO though can't confirm that yet.

From my reading of the rule anyone who currently has a minority offensive coordinator OR someone who "works closely with the HC" won't have to do anything. I would assume you have to have a title like assistant head coach to qualify. Like sometimes there's a Marinelli or somebody like that they're so good as a position coach that they stay instead of "moving up" to coordinator. But at the same time they're a HC candidate because they're good position coaches.

Any team who doesn't have a minority in one of those positions will need to hire (or possibly promote) somebody to that position. But the league will pay that coaches salary so it's not forcing teams to do this out of pocket.

I doubt the quality control coach will qualify. But I'm betting we'll see a whole bunch of position coaches slapped with assistant head coach labels. Or I'm sure some teams will have co-coordinators. Probably one guy that calls all of the plays and a the other minority.

I did see an article complaining that there were still like 7 teams that had never had a minority head coach or general manager. That means 25 teams though have put a minority in the highest position. So I really think they're blowing this made up "problem" way out of proportion. The only reason I have any problem with it though is I hate letting people bullshit me.

I could see how a quality control coach wouldn't satisfy the rule, as they don't really "work closely with the offensive staff and HC" like the rule requires. Having said that, your read on this rule essentially requires every team to have a minority OC, QBs coach, or Asst. HC. I have a hard time believing that the owners would agree to that.

The reason I wouldn't think an existing minority OC or Asst. HC would qualify is b/c according to the article, the league, not the team, is paying them. How would the team give the guy a raise to keep him or even negotiate his salary from the get-go, when the team isn't actually paying him?

I agree that this requirement is an overreaction to the low number of minority HCs in the league and the Flores suit.

 

[fknhippie]

Is the lack of minority coaches in the league because of racism, or because many athletes really don't receive an education even though they graduate from college?

 

[PDay8810]

well...it sure is nice the NFL is now paying the salary for an NFL minority assistant coach as long as he's involved with the offense, or have I missed something here?

 

[PDay8810]

Is the lack of minority coaches in the league because of racism, or because many athletes really don't receive an education even though they graduate from college?

(c) both A & B

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

I might be very wrong here so you'll have to excuse my ignorance, but this makes it sound as though there is a line out the door consisting of female coaches knocking on the door. I just don't think that's very realistic. If there isn't a line then it could prove difficult to fill that position.

 

[PDay8810]

I might be very wrong here so you'll have to excuse my ignorance, but this makes it sound as though there is a line out the door consisting of female coaches knocking on the door. I just don't think that's very realistic. If there isn't a line then it could prove difficult to fill that position.

this is easy for me to see the purpose. The NFL said two years ago, women fans are an untapped market, couple this with Rice/Elliott/Watson and there is nothing to see here. Hell, Jerry got a gold jacket cause he taught the NFL how to preserve the brand while maximizing profits.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

this is easy for me to see the purpose. The NFL said two years ago, women fans are an untapped market, couple this with Rice/Elliott/Watson and there is nothing to see here. Hell, Jerry got a gold jacket cause he taught the NFL how to preserve the brand while maximizing profits.

I get that aspect... But I'm still just curious about how easy these positions will be to fill, and even more curious about the quality of these applicants.

 

[PDay8810]

I get that aspect... But I'm still just curious about how easy these positions will be to fill, and even more curious about the quality of these applicants.

round hole square peg...kinda like female reporters, analysts, and now coaches

Profits will make that peg fit in time

 

[Pure Steel]

I get that aspect... But I'm still just curious about how easy these positions will be to fill, and even more curious about the quality of these applicants.

Like qualifications matter any more in any type of hiring......we just need a few trannies on the sidelines to make this mission complete......

 

[R.J. MacReady]

If I was an owner, I would hire a white biological male for OC and have him declare as transgender the same day.

Just to drive everybody nuts.


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[Southieinnc]

If I identify as one can I apply for the job?

When you were a kid, they did not have any LGBT they were all just queers back then.

What does it take to be a pervert these days?