New Redskins Starting Quarterback Fan Support Therapy

[j_y19]

You completely missed it .

Apparently not. See sharks response.

 

[gkekoa]

Totally agree, all Smith has to do is match what Kirk has done individually. The exception is, IMO, the turnovers because I believe that it gives Smith an unfair advantage. BTW; what was the 30 total thing, is it scores?

Alex Smith has had the luxury of playing on teams where he does not need to force things. His defenses have provided lower scoring and his RBs have shortened the game. If we are down 14 late in the fourth, it is 3rd and 20, and he checks down, I have a major problem with that. Sure, he didn’t turn it over, but he gave us zero chance to come back.
30 total scores was TDs. KC had 31 last season. Realistically, I should say Alex needs to throw for 27 or more because KC did that last season with literally nobody to throw to and no OL to block.

 

[Stymietee]

Apparently not. See sharks response.

I did, he missed it too.

 

[Stymietee]

Alex Smith has had the luxury of playing on teams where he does not need to force things. His defenses have provided lower scoring and his RBs have shortened the game. If we are down 14 late in the fourth, it is 3rd and 20, and he checks down, I have a major problem with that. Sure, he didn’t turn it over, but he gave us zero chance to come back.
30 total scores was TDs. KC had 31 last season. Realistically, I should say Alex needs to throw for 27 or more because KC did that last season with literally nobody to throw to and no OL to block.

Well actually I tend to lean towards the high side in scoring. If Smith gets 27 or less I'll be a bit disappointed, so, it's 31 or more for me and over 4000 yards. Now if Gruden miraculously becomes more dependent on the running game, I'll adjust my numbers accordingly.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Kirk avg is 8 so if Alex wins 9 he wins
. I predicted we will be same record as the vikes or more 2018 season

 

[gkekoa]

Well actually I tend to lean towards the high side in scoring. If Smith gets 27 or less I'll be a bit disappointed, so, it's 31 or more for me and over 4000 yards. Now if Gruden miraculously becomes more dependent on the running game, I'll adjust my numbers accordingly.

I fully expect a bit more leaning on the run game because we have Smith. He can’t carry the load passing. I fully expect fewer than 4K passing from Smith and closer to 20 passing TDs. I expect more from the run game and defense, which I would have expected regardless of QB. Here is the thing, I would have expected around 4200 yards passing with KC and close to 30 TDs passing.

 

[j_y19]

I fully expect a bit more leaning on the run game because we have Smith. He can’t carry the load passing. I fully expect fewer than 4K passing from Smith and closer to 20 passing TDs. I expect more from the run game and defense, which I would have expected regardless of QB. Here is the thing, I would have expected around 4200 yards passing with KC and close to 30 TDs passing.

Here’s what I predict. By mid season, Gruden will be hinting in the press that smith has to take more shots downfield and that he is giving up on his first and second reads way too early.

 

[Stymietee]

I fully expect a bit more leaning on the run game because we have Smith. He can’t carry the load passing. I fully expect fewer than 4K passing from Smith and closer to 20 passing TDs. I expect more from the run game and defense, which I would have expected regardless of QB. Here is the thing, I would have expected around 4200 yards passing with KC and close to 30 TDs passing.

Interesting!

So, had Kirk remained and we had the draft that we did, you would still expect those numbers from Cousins, if Gruden became more run oriented? Like I said, that is interesting, BTW; the reason for that is, IMO, had Kirk stayed and we selected Guice, Kirk's numbers would have naturally dropped because of a renewed emphasis on running the ball. That said, what sort of difference do you expect Guice to have on the offense? For the record, if this team remains healthy and Gruden focuses more on the run, I believe that Guice will vie for ROY honors.

 

[Sportster 72]

Kirk avg is 8 so if Alex wins 9 he wins
. I predicted we will be same record as the vikes or more 2018 season

Makes you wonder how Sonny Jurgensen got into the HOF with the records the Skins had when he was QB

 

[Sportster 72]

Without all the who's at QB etc. Do you think Gruden will run the ball enough to have a 1,500 yard rusher if Guice or whomever is the RB?

Second question, do you think the team has a WR corps (backs and TEs too) to put up 4,000 yards? I don't think they had that kind of WR corps last year especially with Reed and Thompson missing so much time.

 

[Sharkinva]

Interesting!

So, had Kirk remained and we had the draft that we did, you would still expect those numbers from Cousins, if Gruden became more run oriented? Like I said, that is interesting, BTW; the reason for that is, IMO, had Kirk stayed and we selected Guice, Kirk's numbers would have naturally dropped because of a renewed emphasis on running the ball. That said, what sort of difference do you expect Guice to have on the offense? For the record, if this team remains healthy and Gruden focuses more on the run, I believe that Guice will vie for ROY honors.

The problem wasnt not trying to run the ball, but an inability to run the ball. I dont think Gruden is going to pass less,

He has called roughly 33.5 passes per game on average since he has been here. 2016 was an outlier actually.

 

[Sportster 72]

The problem wasnt not trying to run the ball, but an inability to run the ball. I dont think Gruden is going to pass less,

He has called roughly 33.5 passes per game on average since he has been here. 2016 was an outlier actually.

My point on the first question and I did not check this before hand but I believe he is considered to be a coach that doesn't stick with/use the run a lot. It will be interesting to see if the run game develops this year how much he is committed to it.

 

[Racer8825]

Let's see if I got this right. The Redskins franchise tagged a guy (Kirk Cousins) 2 years in a row and he never once got them into the playoffs if I remember correctly. They let him walk to Minnesota this season in free agency and brought in Alex Smith who does have playoff experience for alot cheaper than Cousins. Forgive me but I think the Redskins made the smart choice with their QB position. Now they just need Alex Smith to show it on the field.

 

[skinsdad62]

Let keep this in perspective, It was YOU who put out the challenge to "give a name to someone who could replace Cousins" right? That was done, whether you agreed with it or not. Now since the Smith trade, it's you who's saying that we should have NOT made that trade and taken one of these now lesser players to fill in until a newly drafted QB is ready. Right? In effect, that lesser player would be taking Kirk's place, albeit as a stopgap until the new guy is ready.

BTW: there is zero evidence that Kirk can win a playoff game with this team. That's an opinion and you're entitled to it, but it's not the ONLY opinion on this site. Imagine that, there are people who have differing opinions.

what does that mean ? i challenged you and the others didnt even accept that challenge and no one was riding alex smith 3 years ago , 2 years ago etc

and there is plenty of evidence , his play .

 

[Sharkinva]

Let's see if I got this right. The Redskins franchise tagged a guy (Kirk Cousins) 2 years in a row and he never once got them into the playoffs if I remember correctly. They let him walk to Minnesota this season in free agency and brought in Alex Smith who does have playoff experience for alot cheaper than Cousins. Forgive me but I think the Redskins made the smart choice with their QB position. Now they just need Alex Smith to show it on the field.

1. Your memory is off a little as Cousins and the Redskins made the playoffs in 2015.

2. Yes they got Smith for around $13M less in guaranteed money. And all it cost them to save that money was a player and a pick.

3. The Redskins over the years have had a habit of bringing in players with playoffs experience from other teams, hasnt worked out to well.

 

[Sharkinva]

Without all the who's at QB etc. Do you think Gruden will run the ball enough to have a 1,500 yard rusher if Guice or whomever is the RB?

Second question, do you think the team has a WR corps (backs and TEs too) to put up 4,000 yards? I don't think they had that kind of WR corps last year especially with Reed and Thompson missing so much time.

Gruden is a creature of habit with his play calling. By that I mean he generally calls between 23-28 runs per game. Very rarely does he go outside this box. So it has never been about calling more run plays, its about the run plays he does call producing. Now there have been some games where he just abandons it, but usually that is a result of the team getting way behind early.

As for #2, hell no we didnt have the backs or WRs to actually put up 4000 yards easy. The fact that Cousins did it any way kind of points to something people said he couldnt do, make the players around him better. Do we have that this year?? TBD. GRuden is going to call enough pass plays to do it. Of that I have little doubt.

 

[gkekoa]

Interesting!

So, had Kirk remained and we had the draft that we did, you would still expect those numbers from Cousins, if Gruden became more run oriented? Like I said, that is interesting, BTW; the reason for that is, IMO, had Kirk stayed and we selected Guice, Kirk's numbers would have naturally dropped because of a renewed emphasis on running the ball. That said, what sort of difference do you expect Guice to have on the offense? For the record, if this team remains healthy and Gruden focuses more on the run, I believe that Guice will vie for ROY honors.

I would expect a few more runs which would extend drives, leading to more opportunities to run and pass, and more points. I believe it would open up the passing game because the rush would have to be respected.

I think Guice will have a very good effect on the offense but will see 8 man fronts because teams won’t respect Alex Smith...especially throwing to our WRs.

I don’t think Guice will be close to ROY. I expect Saquon Barkley, Penny, Michel, and a QB or two to be ahead of him.

 

[Stymietee]

what does that mean ? i challenged you and the others didnt even accept that challenge and no one was riding alex smith 3 years ago , 2 years ago etc

and there is plenty of evidence , his play .

Fair enough, I have no issue with you citing those who talked ish but didn't take up the challenge. I did and because you didn't agree with my choice does not mean that it was a bad choice universally.

You then wrote,..."and there is plenty of evidence, his play." in reference to Kirk Cousins, so I offer my own challenge.

9-7 and a lost playoff game, 8-7-6 and no playoff appearance, and 7-9 again with no playoff appearance. That said, it's a team game and Kirk Cousins nor any other QB is going to win anything outside of that context.

 

[Stymietee]

The problem wasnt not trying to run the ball, but an inability to run the ball. I dont think Gruden is going to pass less,

He has called roughly 33.5 passes per game on average since he has been here. 2016 was an outlier actually.

Then if you're right and I tend to agree based on history, do you believe that all of the talk surrounding upgrading at RB (because in theory they did) is all about allowing them to have a justifiable reason to axe Gruden?

 

[Stymietee]

Without all the who's at QB etc. Do you think Gruden will run the ball enough to have a 1,500 yard rusher if Guice or whomever is the RB?

Second question, do you think the team has a WR corps (backs and TEs too) to put up 4,000 yards? I don't think they had that kind of WR corps last year especially with Reed and Thompson missing so much time.

1. I believe that they are forcing his hand to do so, and if he doesn't Gruden is gone. Keep in mind that our front office is stocked with folks who remember a time where running the ball was the key to victory.

2. Nope, I think that if he manages to stay healthy Reed and Co. are good enough. Our running attack potentially is among the best in the league...POTENTIALLY. We'll need to upgrade at LG, get another WR (not Dez) or hope that one of the youngsters step up big time. I'm really not sold on the group that we currently have and just to be clear, of the group we have speed and big, both will have a lot to prove. What we don't have is that middle guy, a possession type who's able to get those tough yards.