New Redskins Starting Quarterback Fan Support Therapy

[Sportster 72]

Listen I don't know what everyone is talking about .... there are two positions which are RIGHT (what I believe) and WRONG .... which is everyone who doesn't agree with me.

 

[skinz2winz]

Fist off, KC averaged eight wins.

Secondly, you can’t go by wins. Every single person on this site believes our roster is better now than it was last season, with the exception of perhaps me. I have heard many defending the talent level on this team and blaming injury for last season. I have seen one analytic that weighed injuries on a team’s wis and we would have won 11games if not for injury. So, no he doesn’t have to beat the win total average. Alex Smith has to perform at a higher level than KC on an individual basis.

Here is what Smith has to do in my eyes...
1- throw for at least 4000 yards. It should be more but I do understand he doesn’t take chances.
2- Account for at least 30 total s is probably the most important part.
3- he still has to keep his turnovers below 10 because that is why so many are on his crotch.

Your right, the number of wins can not be based off one individuals performance. That's why many use the analogy, "great team win". No one inside any NFL organization shows up Monday after a team win and applauds only the QB because of the win. Having said that, who cares if Smith throws for over 4k yards, or has 30 passing TD's or limited int. If the Skins can win 10 games and make the playoffs, does it really matter how many yards, TD's etc the QB has? Understandably, if the QB plays well the team will play well on offense and I agree with that.
I for one do not think our roster has improved significantly. The draft class hasn't played a down. Correct me if I'm wrong but players added (not here last year) were P. Richardson, P. McPhee & O. Scandrick. They replaced T. Pryor, J. Gallett/Murphy and Breeland. We traded Fuller to obtain Smith. This clearly means we are not better at the moment.

No one here is asking you, dad, shark or others to "like" the new QB. Hell, he didn't have a choice either in this change of address. You can be mad or disappointed at the organization for letting KC walk, (I was) but the move was likely best for everyone involved based on how this all played out since 2015. If all you care about is stats, you should go be a fan of NFL individuals, not a team fan. I'm a team fan of the Redskins and will fully support the active 53 plus the practice squad players on the roster. The non-stop bashing on AS since the trade to bring him here is quite frankly ridiculous and nauseating. The record player is broken...

HTTR!

 

[gkekoa]

Your right, the number of wins can not be based off one individuals performance. That's why many use the analogy, "great team win". No one inside any NFL organization shows up Monday after a team win and applauds only the QB because of the win. Having said that, who cares if Smith throws for over 4k yards, or has 30 passing TD's or limited int. If the Skins can win 10 games and make the playoffs, does it really matter how many yards, TD's etc the QB has? Understandably, if the QB plays well the team will play well on offense and I agree with that.
I for one do not think our roster has improved significantly. The draft class hasn't played a down. Correct me if I'm wrong but players added (not here last year) were P. Richardson, P. McPhee & O. Scandrick. They replaced T. Pryor, J. Gallett/Murphy and Breeland. We traded Fuller to obtain Smith. This clearly means we are not better at the moment.

No one here is asking you, dad, shark or others to "like" the new QB. Hell, he didn't have a choice either in this change of address. You can be mad or disappointed at the organization for trading away KC, (I was) but the move was likely best for everyone involved based on how this all played out since 2015. If all you care about is stats, you should go be a fan of NFL individuals, not a team fan. I'm a team fan of the Redskins and will fully support the active 53 plus the practice squad players on the roster. The non-stop bashing on AS since the trade to bring him here is quite frankly ridiculous and nauseating. The record player is broken...

HTTR!

It matters because it stands to reason that better individual QB play is better for the team. 10 wins could have been 12. A playoff berth could have been a playoff run. A playoff run could have been a SB.

Actually, our first rounder will instantly make us better. Our second rounder will instantly make us better. The reason I do not believe we have gotten better is we gave up Fuller and IMO got worse at QB and G.

Can you show me any point where Shark, Dad, or myself ever wished ill on this team or even Smith? So please take that crap elsewhere. This is a message board. If you can’t take people sharing their opinions of the negative, and can only enjoy purple unicorns, I suggest you continue to be a fan...just not on a message board.

 

[Sportster 72]

We all know the old analogy, one guy gets too much credit, one guys gets too much blame.

 

[skinsdad62]

I agree that changing the metric from one player to another is an issue, the question now is who's doing it. Some speculate that Kirk "would have taken this team to a play-off and win, while others say that he didn't do so while here. Now it's, if Smith doesn't do as speculated with Kirk, then Smith is the failure. Then there are others who say all Smith has to do is at minimum what Kirk actually did while here and others who take that and insist that other metrics (poor defense/WR's/RG) must be included because there are annual changes to NFL teams (see: draft/free agency)

Now we can argue about what those actual metrics should be (see the discussion that @GK and I had concerning 4000 yards and 30 scores) but to add any other metric not related to the individual play of either is frankly, moving the goal posts.

the difference is my metric isnt going to change . i am not moving it to a super bowl appearance when CDC gets to my standard , and then when he makes a superbowl then change it to win it

if i set a standard i will own it , it will be a core value

some ABCers didnt own it and i question any of their core values . it always seems to be that values dont matter only my side matters

the more people bitch about snyder and allen , the more they act like them as fans

the above things i have mentioned sty dont apply to you . you own everything even though i quoted your post

my other beef , which doesnt apply to you either, is that i have abcers wanting me to embrace the trade , hold back my criticism and support the "team " one doesnt even post here that often and yet they want me to forget what they said about my guy and not apply what they did to me to their guy

where was this "high ground " approach for the past 3 years ? nowhere , and now they want me to keep a standard they didnt keep themselves ?

its the same with insults , they dont want me to insult , which is 100% correct by the way , but then they insult like crazy and then give me BS when i crack down . dont hold me to a standard that you dont keep yourself (meaning collective they, not you personally sty )

defend a value , that is cool , but dont fall on a sword over what is convenient for you or which ever the wind blows for popular opinion

 

[skinsdad62]

Your right, the number of wins can not be based off one individuals performance. That's why many use the analogy, "great team win". No one inside any NFL organization shows up Monday after a team win and applauds only the QB because of the win. Having said that, who cares if Smith throws for over 4k yards, or has 30 passing TD's or limited int. If the Skins can win 10 games and make the playoffs, does it really matter how many yards, TD's etc the QB has? Understandably, if the QB plays well the team will play well on offense and I agree with that.
I for one do not think our roster has improved significantly. The draft class hasn't played a down. Correct me if I'm wrong but players added (not here last year) were P. Richardson, P. McPhee & O. Scandrick. They replaced T. Pryor, J. Gallett/Murphy and Breeland. We traded Fuller to obtain Smith. This clearly means we are not better at the moment.

No one here is asking you, dad, shark or others to "like" the new QB. Hell, he didn't have a choice either in this change of address. You can be mad or disappointed at the organization for letting KC walk, (I was) but the move was likely best for everyone involved based on how this all played out since 2015. If all you care about is stats, you should go be a fan of NFL individuals, not a team fan. I'm a team fan of the Redskins and will fully support the active 53 plus the practice squad players on the roster. The non-stop bashing on AS since the trade to bring him here is quite frankly ridiculous and nauseating. The record player is broken...

HTTR!

and if this attitude was shown for the last 3 years i would embrace it , it wasnt so it falls on deaf ears

 

[j_y19]

Your right, the number of wins can not be based off one individuals performance. That's why many use the analogy, "great team win". No one inside any NFL organization shows up Monday after a team win and applauds only the QB because of the win. Having said that, who cares if Smith throws for over 4k yards, or has 30 passing TD's or limited int. If the Skins can win 10 games and make the playoffs, does it really matter how many yards, TD's etc the QB has? Understandably, if the QB plays well the team will play well on offense and I agree with that.
I for one do not think our roster has improved significantly. The draft class hasn't played a down. Correct me if I'm wrong but players added (not here last year) were P. Richardson, P. McPhee & O. Scandrick. They replaced T. Pryor, J. Gallett/Murphy and Breeland. We traded Fuller to obtain Smith. This clearly means we are not better at the moment.

No one here is asking you, dad, shark or others to "like" the new QB. Hell, he didn't have a choice either in this change of address. You can be mad or disappointed at the organization for letting KC walk, (I was) but the move was likely best for everyone involved based on how this all played out since 2015. If all you care about is stats, you should go be a fan of NFL individuals, not a team fan. I'm a team fan of the Redskins and will fully support the active 53 plus the practice squad players on the roster. The non-stop bashing on AS since the trade to bring him here is quite frankly ridiculous and nauseating. The record player is broken...

HTTR!

Ii think you are missing our point No one is bashing Smith. We are bashing the FO in the way the acquired Smith. The trade was a huge joke. We paid way too much for a guy that is not appreciatively better and who is much older. We let a guy walk that was just coming into his prime and still may have upside. It appears to those of us as labeled KC "lovers" as a step back for this team in the long run based on these issues. Smith may very well have been available for much less as KC was moving on from him (which should tell you something in itself).

As long as use have a FO that continues to make boneheaded decisions for questionable reasons, we will never have a team that can compete year in and year out.

 

[Sportster 72]

I don't have so much of a problem with acquiring Smith since they were not going to sign Cousins. The mistake was made by SM And BA back in 2015.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't have so much of a problem with acquiring Smith since they were not going to sign Cousins. The mistake was made by SM And BA back in 2015.

Generally when Andy Reid decides to get rid of a QB, said named QB is done. Im Just saying.

 

[gkekoa]

Generally when Andy Reid decides to get rid of a QB, said named QB is done. Im Just saying.

And he becomes a Redskin.