New Redskins Starting Quarterback Fan Support Therapy

[Stymietee]

Maybe I missed it, but where did shark say this team would do better with Kirk this year? What I take from sharks response is use the same metric to measure Alex. Playoff wins. If he doesn’t win a playoff game with a more talented team, then does he suck? BTW, I think that metric sucks.....

You completely missed it .

 

[Stymietee]

Basically IM not applying a double standard here as some are want to do.

If we had kept Kirk, and handed him the upgrades we are giving to Smith, I would have expected a playoffs appearance and win. And should the team have fallen short of that, I expect many would be lined up to question the talent of Cousins, and the sanity of keeping him.

So IM holding Smith to the EXACT same standards I would be holding Kirk to if he were still the QB in DC. NOthing more, nothing less.

No argument with your expectations, realistic or not they're yours.

 

[skinz2winz]

Has anyone stopped to think about our division alone? We have the defending Super Bowl Champions, the best proven RB in the league, the next generational talent and sure fire star, the best WR in football and some really good defenses.
The black and blue division is back and while we have improved our roster, so have the other 3 teams and quite frankly, each of those 3 teams have more talent than the Skins.

Reality is, this is what we are facing this year and as we all know, reality tends to smack you right upside the head at times. Again, if everything goes right albeit our schedule is a tough one, 9-10 wins. If injuries set in, guys don't perform and expectations are not met, 5-8 wins. We still have some holes on both sides of the football that will take 2 more drafts to fill.

All this said, it doesn't matter if Cousins or CDC is our QB, this is where we are at currently. Yes, I'm a homer!

HTTR!

 

[Sharkinva]

No argument with your expectations, realistic or not they're yours.

Well as I have pointed out before, Im seeing a shit ton of double standards being put into place here. A whole lot of attempts to suddenly lower expectations. And the fact that you are saying my expectations are now some how not realistic, when these where the expectations for the last QB, who many have said was a lesser QB than Smith.... Sorry that just dont jive is all.

But some how Im not surprised.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Deal .. and if Alex wins more games this year by passing kirks win avg the you guys eat crow what is Kirk win avg 7

 

[skinsdad62]

here we go again. who exactly "promised" you this?

Every abc’r nunerous Times

 

[skinsdad62]

I have for the last 3 seasons on a daily basis listening to the KC bash a thon from every practice pass to which damn foot he threw off of for a TD .
He never led the skins anywhere when he won games and he was totally at fault for every loss . I as told colt McCoy could do what he could do A fucking J mcaron could , Tyrod. Could mcfuckinggloin could and I am supposed to buy no hate there .

I would pay hm f he did this and when that’s done then another standard had to be met

The greedy bitch refrain was head loud and often

So let’s not pretend that there was a love fest and support here like I am being asked to have gr CDC

And coach coming out with the “ if he has more wins “ I have to eat crow BS . Screw you coach and your bar lowering crap . If he is a better qb should he will have us in the NFC title game because KC can win a playoff game with his team .

2 wins will always be better then one win period

If he is better then grab your collective balls and believe it because if you can’t tgen this is more about wanting KC gone then really buying a career bus driver is the next great champion

 

[gkekoa]

Deal .. and if Alex wins more games this year by passing kirks win avg the you guys eat crow what is Kirk win avg 7

Fist off, KC averaged eight wins.

Secondly, you can’t go by wins. Every single person on this site believes our roster is better now than it was last season, with the exception of perhaps me. I have heard many defending the talent level on this team and blaming injury for last season. I have seen one analytic that weighed injuries on a team’s wis and we would have won 11games if not for injury. So, no he doesn’t have to beat the win total average. Alex Smith has to perform at a higher level than KC on an individual basis.

Here is what Smith has to do in my eyes...
1- throw for at least 4000 yards. It should be more but I do understand he doesn’t take chances.
2- Account for at least 30 total s is probably the most important part.
3- he still has to keep his turnovers below 10 because that is why so many are on his crotch.

 

[Rowdy]

What’s everyone’s opinion on jimmy g being ranked higher by the players in the top 100? I myself think it’s bullshit, not enough playing time. We all know when defenses get enough tape on a guy he can look totally different. Not saying that jimmy can’t be better than KC, but hasn’t played enough games yet imo. For the record I was a Kirk fan and have always been an Alex fan. Had we brought in any of the other qb’s available over Kirk id’ve been one pissed off mf

 

[Rowdy]

BTW, the whole NFC conference seems to be pretty damn stacked right now, it’s gonna be tough

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I have for the last 3 seasons on a daily basis listening to the KC bash a thon from every practice pass to which damn foot he threw off of for a TD .
He never led the skins anywhere when he won games and he was totally at fault for every loss . I as told colt McCoy could do what he could do A fucking J mcaron could , Tyrod. Could mcfuckinggloin could and I am supposed to buy no hate there .

I would pay hm f he did this and when that’s done then another standard had to be met

The greedy bitch refrain was head loud and often

So let’s not pretend that there was a love fest and support here like I am being asked to have gr CDC

And coach coming out with the “ if he has more wins “ I have to eat crow BS . Screw you coach and your bar lowering crap . If he is a better qb should he will have us in the NFC title game because KC can win a playoff game with his team .

2 wins will always be better then one win period

If he is better then grab your collective balls and believe it because if you can’t tgen this is more about wanting KC gone then really buying a career bus driver is the next great champion

Colts suck with out manning the year manning was out Colts win one game
.. QB has to win games without alot of talent and in the past they did

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

My God he is the highest paid QB in history without a play off win Damn ,

 

[gkekoa]

My God he is the highest paid QB in history without a play off win Damn ,

He won’t be very soon. It is all about timing. When it comes to cap percentage, which is what matters, he isn’t the highest paid ever.

 

[gkekoa]

Colts suck with out manning the year manning was out Colts win one game
.. QB has to win games without alot of talent and in the past they did

True. How did they do when Luck got there the next season? The Colts roster that season was riddled with injury and their backup wasn’t in the league the next season.

Also, nobody is saying he is Peyton...we are saying he was damn good on this team. The team was not good around him, particularly defense.

 

[Sharkinva]

My God he is the highest paid QB in history without a play off win Damn ,

And Smith is the highest paid Redskin ever without a single win or even snap for this team.

Classic Skins move though, balk about paying your own, blow the wad on some one elses cast off.

 

[Stymietee]

Well as I have pointed out before, Im seeing a shit ton of double standards being put into place here. A whole lot of attempts to suddenly lower expectations. And the fact that you are saying my expectations are now some how not realistic, when these where the expectations for the last QB, who many have said was a lesser QB than Smith.... Sorry that just dont jive is all.

But some how Im not surprised.

Well, since you made it up about me then yeah, why would you be surprised. Keep in mind I had zero expectations of the last QB, the one prior to him nor any other QB in the history of this team. Go ahead and search engine it.

 

[Stymietee]

I have for the last 3 seasons on a daily basis listening to the KC bash a thon from every practice pass to which damn foot he threw off of for a TD .
He never led the skins anywhere when he won games and he was totally at fault for every loss . I as told colt McCoy could do what he could do A fucking J mcaron could , Tyrod. Could mcfuckinggloin could and I am supposed to buy no hate there .

I would pay hm f he did this and when that’s done then another standard had to be met

The greedy bitch refrain was head loud and often

So let’s not pretend that there was a love fest and support here like I am being asked to have gr CDC

And coach coming out with the “ if he has more wins “ I have to eat crow BS . Screw you coach and your bar lowering crap . If he is a better qb should he will have us in the NFC title game because KC can win a playoff game with his team .

2 wins will always be better then one win period

If he is better then grab your collective balls and believe it because if you can’t tgen this is more about wanting KC gone then really buying a career bus driver is the next great champion

Let keep this in perspective, It was YOU who put out the challenge to "give a name to someone who could replace Cousins" right? That was done, whether you agreed with it or not. Now since the Smith trade, it's you who's saying that we should have NOT made that trade and taken one of these now lesser players to fill in until a newly drafted QB is ready. Right? In effect, that lesser player would be taking Kirk's place, albeit as a stopgap until the new guy is ready.

BTW: there is zero evidence that Kirk can win a playoff game with this team. That's an opinion and you're entitled to it, but it's not the ONLY opinion on this site. Imagine that, there are people who have differing opinions.

 

[Stymietee]

Fist off, KC averaged eight wins.

Secondly, you can’t go by wins. Every single person on this site believes our roster is better now than it was last season, with the exception of perhaps me. I have heard many defending the talent level on this team and blaming injury for last season. I have seen one analytic that weighed injuries on a team’s wis and we would have won 11games if not for injury. So, no he doesn’t have to beat the win total average. Alex Smith has to perform at a higher level than KC on an individual basis.

Here is what Smith has to do in my eyes...
1- throw for at least 4000 yards. It should be more but I do understand he doesn’t take chances.
2- Account for at least 30 total s is probably the most important part.
3- he still has to keep his turnovers below 10 because that is why so many are on his crotch.

Totally agree, all Smith has to do is match what Kirk has done individually. The exception is, IMO, the turnovers because I believe that it gives Smith an unfair advantage. BTW; what was the 30 total thing, is it scores?

 

[Sharkinva]

So wait...

Cousins needed to do MORE than he did to be worthy of a long term deal.

But if Smith simply matches what Cousins did (Which has been determined to be lacking mind you) then he was worth it??

Nope, no double standard there.

 

[Stymietee]

So wait...

Cousins needed to do MORE than he did to be worthy of a long term deal.

But if Smith simply matches what Cousins did (Which has been determined to be lacking mind you) then he was worth it??

Nope, no double standard there.

Wow, you seem to be in the habit of conflating two or more different things. Cousins did what he did and because of the machinations between him and the front office, no deal was reached and he's playing elsewhere.

That's one issue.

If Smith matches what Kirk did in terms of numbers (Passing, TD's etc) then yeah, the team broke even, despite what those with hurt feelings are saying about Kirk being better or Smith worse.

That's another separate issue.

So, there's absolutely no double standard, except in the minds of those who can't make those distinctions.