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High Praise coming from PFN regarding Witherspoon. He has his faults too, but they're minimal compared to others - his size is the biggest issue, in my opinion, and there is also the high number of penalties during the past two years.


Against the run, Witherspoon disengages quickly from outside blockers and crashes down to support the front seven. Many times, the Illinois CB made the solo stop, even behind the line of scrimmage on runs toward the edge.

Now that we got Witherspoon’s elite run defense out of the way, let’s dive into what makes him my CB1. Yes, that’s right. Currently, I’d take Witherspoon over the likes of Kelee Ringo, Joey Porter Jr., Christian Gonzalez, and any other corner you prefer.

The Illinois CB’s coverage ability simply supersedes that of his peers. The Fighting Illini ran man coverage on roughly 75% of their snaps, by far the highest rate in the nation. The result? 12.3 points (first) and 263.8 yards (second) allowed per game — top-two marks across all 131 FBS programs.

But that’s the overall defense; how about the coverage unit? Eight touchdowns allowed (tied fewest), 22 interceptions (most), 49.5% completion rate (first), and 5.4 yards per pass attempt (fewest).

Across the last two seasons, Witherspoon’s been penalized 11 times, mostly from defensive pass interferences.
 

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I still believe Joey Porter Jr. has a higher ceiling than does Witherspoon or Gonzalez.
 

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Illinois has another CB in Jartavious "Quan" Martin who might become a quality day 3 prospect for that nickel spot. Martin also has 2 years of outside CB play.

That was one hell of a defense Illinois had in 2022, but the QB play and WR personnel in the Big-10 this past season could be a small part of the ascension.
 

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Love the Witherspoon pick but the value with the rest of them is highly questionable. Hell, Van Ness wasn't even a starter for the Hawkeyes, but I do like the possibility of growth potential in him. It's simply too high of draft slot for him.
Agree. I hate that draft other than the first pick.
 

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Lions will have 3 Edge Rusher's/DE's coming up on expiring contracts for the 2023 season: Romeo Okwara, Charles Harris and Julian Okwara.

If Homes re-signs Cominsky then you have him and Paschal for the "Big" closed End position. I think we need another Edge player that has similar superior bend like James Houston to rotate with him and someone comparable to Hutch and his play style.
I think another team will overpay Romeo. I am OK with moving on from him and his brother. We can draft Peneii's brother to keep the family vibe. Also I believe Witherspoon was Kerby Joseph's roommate in college.
 

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I think another team will overpay Romeo. I am OK with moving on from him and his brother. We can draft Peneii's brother to keep the family vibe. Also I believe Witherspoon was Kerby Joseph's roommate in college.

I believe you're correct on Joseph and Witherspoon being roommates.

I don't have a clue as to who really stands out for the Mike position in this upcoming draft and the underwear Olympics isn't going to do a whole hell of a lot for me either.

I'd rather keep Romeo than either Charles Harris or Julian Okwara, but I won't be disappointed all that much should Holmes outright release Romeo. There are quite a few prospects that project to be decent enough to takeover for any of those three,
 

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The following players might be possibilities for the D-Line. These scouting reports are extremely in-depth, but worth the read in my opinion.












 

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I also like what I saw from Missouri Edge McGuire. Players like McDonald, Rameriz and Young will be better fits for OLB/Edge in a 3-4 base.
McDonald's explosive burst reminds me of a lighter James Houston.

Players like Tuipulotu and Michigan DE Mike Morris are most likely better suited for the 5-tech role in a 3-4.
 

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He turns 24 in November 2023. 6-years CFB.

1-year playing off-the-ball ILB. He screams athletic potential but.......

This is all of the current listed scouting reports I've found for ILB.
 

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The following players might be possibilities for the D-Line. These scouting reports are extremely in-depth, but worth the read in my opinion.












Benton in the 3rd could happen. It would solidify depth in the middle. Resigning Buggs I am assumng.
 

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Anyone concerned about incoming rookie CB that have a missed tackle rate% of 17.2% in 2022 and 16.3% - career for Cam Smith and 17.6% missed tackle rate for Joey Porter Jr. in 2022 (10 penalties in 2021) - calling on @Old Lion.

Kelee Ringo allowed 13 catches of 15-plus yards this past season which was 2nd most among SEC CB. He clocked an approximate speed of 23.5 mph during one of his pre-draft workouts. For reference, the fastest ball carrier in the NFL this season came in around 22 mph.
 

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Anyone concerned about incoming rookie CB that have a missed tackle rate% of 17.2% in 2022 and 16.3% - career for Cam Smith and 17.6% missed tackle rate for Joey Porter Jr. in 2022 (10 penalties in 2021) - calling on @Old Lion.

Kelee Ringo allowed 13 catches of 15-plus yards this past season which was 2nd most among SEC CB. He clocked an approximate speed of 23.5 mph during one of his pre-draft workouts. For reference, the fastest ball carrier in the NFL this season came in around 22 mph.
I thought we decided on Witherspoon already?
 

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Take the best DL available. After that, Brad knows what to do.

BRAD RULES!!!!
 

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Take the best DL available. After that, Brad knows what to do.

BRAD RULES!!!!
If Carter, Wilson, and Anderson all go before 6 we would be crazy to take line at 6. I am glad we beat GB at the end, but 6 is looking to set up for us to reach for need or take a position we don't need. I really hope teams trade up for some of these QB's
 

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I've been reading scouting reports and watch portions of full games regarding Texas DT Moro Ojomo and Florida Safety Thaddeus "Trey" Dean. I would guess both are day 3 prospects, but Dean has the athletic profile to move up into early Day 3.

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Lion's scouts were at Florida games 3x in 2022.


 

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I thought we decided on Witherspoon already?

Should he measure sub-5'11" and arm length sub-31" then expect him to drop with all these CB who have the height, length and bigger size than him.

Witherspoon played the best in 2022 of all the CB this past season but size issues may very well come into play when it comes to draft day and what slot he's actually drafted in.

He's still my CB1 until he may not be.

He's extremely handsy, grabby and has a history of getting away with holding and P.I. in CFB. He will be penalized often in the NFL unless officials give him the Sauce Gardner treatment and constantly look the other way. He'll also leave his feet all too often to make a tackle or attempt to make a tackle. Kerby has this same problem as well as Illinois safety Brown and slot back Jartavious Martin. There's a theme that exists and not just at Illinois. TBH, Witherspoon is more in line mentally as a tough, gritty, fearless player who fits the Lions culture first. The scheme fit is there as well, but you're almost duplicating Jerry Jacobs - the latter is 5'11 and 203 lbs. I fully acknowledge that Jacobs was an UDFA and not ranked top 10-40 by media analysts.
 

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I wouldn't be interested in Kelee Ringo or Cam Smith either - at any draft slot.
 

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I also highly favor Tennessee OL Darnell Wright over O'cyrus Torrence of the possibility existed to draft the former.
 
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