Nelson Cruz: Appeal or No Appeal

[TheRangerDude]

I think you mean "5. Perez" with Feliz as a closer/set up role.

I'm assuming Perez is involved in the trade for Stanton

 

[RevSader]

What suggests that? They have 2 OF spots to fill and if they were concerned with his defense, wouldn't they have already moved him to DH this year given what happened with Berkman?

This year they have AJ and no other options for the OF. If they sign a better OF option, it makes sense.

 

[bradw516]

I'm assuming Perez is involved in the trade for Stanton

God I hope not, give them Feliz/Colby instead.

 

[jta4437]

God I hope not, give them Feliz/Colby instead.

Colby is a FA, and Feliz won't get it done having just come back from TJ surgery

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

I think you mean "5. Perez" with Feliz as a closer/set up role.

In the scenario listed... IMO...Perez would be moved to acquire Stanton.



That said, I prefer to upgrade the rotation more - and pass on the RF "power bat".
Sign Choo. Sign McCann.
Sign Garza. Trade for Price.

OF - Martin, E. Beltre, Choo
INF - Beltre, Andrus, Kinsler, Moreland, McCann/(Soto or AJ)

Rotation
Yu
Price
Garza
Harrison
Holland

 

[TheRangerDude]

God I hope not, give them Feliz/Colby instead.

Cobra is FA after this season again and Perez has more value than Feliz b/c he is locked up longer.

 

[BLeslie59Rangers]

Here is what I would like to see happen in the off season:
1. Do what it takes to sign Garza

2. Lock up Cruz with something similar to the 2 year $16M contract Melky got. It might be a little more pricey and he might just want to do a one year thing to prove himself so he can get something bigger.

3. Make a trade for Stanton happen, do what it takes to get him and get the Marlins interested. I realize this is still a long shot though.

4. Use the money you save on Cruz and Stanton on someone like McCann and maybe Morales.

That might be a ton to ask for though. Who am I kidding it is a ton to ask for. But the resulting lineup and rotation would be sick:

1.Kinsler 2B
2. Andrus SS
3. Stanton LF
4. Beltre 3B
5. Morales DH
6. Cruz RF
7. McCann C
8. Martin CF
9. Moreland 1B

1. Yu
2. Harrison
3. Garza
4. Holland
5. Feliz

My opinion - do not sign Cruz next year. Time to move on...I don't like that his stupid actions may potentially disrupt if not end our chance at a playoff run this year, and he needs to answer to his teammates on this. The man makes millions, needs to be held accountable for his actions. Sorry, just not that sympathetic on this subject.

I also don't want to see Manny anywhere near the big club.

 

[DT LUNA]

God I hope not, give them Feliz/Colby instead.

I'm with you. No to Perez. Good pitching is to hard to find.

 

[TheRangerDude]

This year they have AJ and no other options for the OF. If they sign a better OF option, it makes sense.

Well, I understand your opinion and it seems like it is shared by most on here but I'm pretty certain that if we see Cruz on this roster next season, he will be playing OF, maybe some DH but I doubt that would be his everyday role. I wouldn't even be objective to him taking the DH role, I just don't see it happening realistically. Hopefully, I'm wrong b/c there really isn't anyone that exciting available at DH anyway beyond Morales and I really don't like him all that much.

 

[BLeslie59Rangers]

I'm with you. No to Perez. Good pitching is to hard to find.

Completely agree...Perez is off limits....unless the Tigers want to talk about Cabrera...:rollseyes:

 

[bradw516]

Colby is a FA, and Feliz won't get it done having just come back from TJ surgery

Well regardless, if we trade for Stanton I'd prefer not to trade away what amounts to probably the best #5 pitcher in the league. Find another way to make it work.

 

[TheRangerDude]

Completely agree...Perez is off limits....unless the Tigers want to talk about Cabrera...:rollseyes:

I personally don't think we could get Stanton with out Perez and Profar being the key pieces of the deal. That is unless they want to hang Holland out there and the way he is pitching lately... NO!

 

[jta4437]

Well, I understand your opinion and it seems like it is shared by most on here but I'm pretty certain that if we see Cruz on this roster next season, he will be playing OF, maybe some DH but I doubt that would be his everyday role. I wouldn't even be objective to him taking the DH role, I just don't see it happening realistically. Hopefully, I'm wrong b/c there really isn't anyone that exciting available at DH anyway beyond Morales and I really don't like him all that much.

Perhaps you think Cruz has a ton of options for next year, most of us realistically don't, Cruz will not be calling any shots on his situation next year if he wants to play, he's not in a position of power at all

the market will be slim like it was for Melky, who just happened to get the Blue Jays to pay up b/c they were desperate to make a run, and they took a flier on him, and considering Melky has essentially been a bust, good luck using him as a positive example, Cruz will face the same concerns

 

[jta4437]

Well regardless, if we trade for Stanton I'd prefer not to trade away what amounts to probably the best #5 pitcher in the league. Find another way to make it work.

Then it doesn't work, and I wasn't advocating trading for Stanton anyway, never have, I was just telling you why trading either of those guys won't work

Direct your "Find another way to make it work" comment to someone else

 

[jta4437]

I personally don't think we could get Stanton with out Perez and Profar being the key pieces of the deal. That is unless they want to hang Holland out there and the way he is pitching lately... NO!

You would probably be correct, and thats why you pass on him, plus he's hurt too much for my liking

when a 23 y/o OFer can't rehab his hamstring b/c his knees hurt too bad, then there is a serious problem

Not to mention the shoulder problems he's had

 

[TheRangerDude]

My opinion - do not sign Cruz next year. Time to move on...I don't like that his stupid actions may potentially disrupt if not end our chance at a playoff run this year, and he needs to answer to his teammates on this. The man makes millions, needs to be held accountable for his actions. Sorry, just not that sympathetic on this subject.

I also don't want to see Manny anywhere near the big club.

That's fine, your entitled to your opinion. Personally, I am a big Cruz fan. I am disapointed in his mistake but I can forgive him and he really does seem like a genuine guy overall. At least when the hammer came down he was honest, that's more than you can say for a lot of guys. Also, the fact remains this whole thing has tainted his market value some too, so he would be cheap.

 

[bradw516]

Then it doesn't work, and I wasn't advocating trading for Stanton anyway, never have, I was just telling you why trading either of those guys won't work

Direct your "Find another way to make it work" comment to someone else

A little touchy, aren't we? You quoted me, I quoted you back. There's no way for any of us to know if a package could or could not be put together for Stanton without including Perez. I think it could.

 

[jta4437]

A little touchy, aren't we? You quoted me, I quoted you back. There's no way for any of us to know if a package could or could not be put together for Stanton without including Perez. I think it could.

Doesn't take much effort to realize that I didn't make the proposal

 

[bradw516]

Doesn't take much effort to realize that I didn't make the proposal

I never said you did. My comment was a general statement and never directed to you.

 

[TheRangerDude]

Perhaps you think Cruz has a ton of options for next year, most of us realistically don't, Cruz will not be calling any shots on his situation next year if he wants to play, he's not in a position of power at all

the market will be slim like it was for Melky, who just happened to get the Blue Jays to pay up b/c they were desperate to make a run, and they took a flier on him, and considering Melky has essentially been a bust, good luck using him as a positive example, Cruz will face the same concerns

I think he will have a few more options than Melky... but also I think the Rangers do actually value Cruz in RF higher than most people think. I don't think that they would only be interested in him as as DH. I don't think the situations are the same. Melky tried to lie about it at first... Cruz fessed up and accepted responsibility. Also, Cruz has a better offensive track record than Melky does