NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Shanemansj13]

You really think the Browns would trade Mayfield? OBJ. Now he's another story.

I don't think they would trade Mayfield but like I said before, this is Dorsey's pick essentially. If he doesn't perform to a certain level they could be looking for a replacement.

 

[Shanemansj13]

They should have taken Darnold, imo. From what I've read and heard, Darnold is actually doing well considering the lack of weapons he has. I'd love to see what he could do with the Browns weapons.

Still don't think he is anything special. He was my #1 out of the 4 QB's before the draft but still...he isn't a franchise QB imo but we will see. It's still just the 3rd year for all these QB's...usually the make or break year. If the Browns are awful you better believe they will be looking for other options...the Browns are so desperate to win they aren't a patient organization, probably another issue they have.

 

[trojanfan12]

You haven't read that from the Jets camp.

Darnold hasn't shown that he's capable of anything yet. Inconsistency.

Been hearing it more from commentators. A quarterback that young isn't going to be consistent when he has no weapons.

 

[dtgold88]

I think he had a decent season last year but nothing special. They drafted Dexter Lawrence with that Browns pick so we will see how both turn out. It might just end up being decent for both sides but lets hope OBJ steps his game up. Kinda difficult to be consistent with a new coach every year and Baker throwing lasers behind him but no excuses, he is a pro bowl caliber player that is expected to catch everything.

Doubtful after trading for Vernon with garrett they take a DE. Maybe if they really wanted a WR they could have just picked DK Metcalf. also lost our 3rd rounder and Peppers in the deal.

 

[dtgold88]

I don’t think the Browns got hoodwinked.

OBJ is a great talent. Just might not be a good teammate and seems like a poor fit for Cleveland.

He's decent but I'd undo the deal given the choice. Gonna need Doc Brown's Delorean to go back and let the Browns make their picks in rounds 1 and 3......and see what they do with the extra $14 mil.

 

[dtgold88]

Will anyone be surprise if OBJ and Baker are on different teams next season?

OBJ, no. Baker, yes.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Doubtful after trading for Vernon with garrett they take a DE. Maybe if they really wanted a WR they could have just picked DK Metcalf. also lost our 3rd rounder and Peppers in the deal.

Yeah if they were sitting at #17 they had some options on the board.

Jeffrey Simmons at DT..maybe, but remember he was going to be out for the season.
Maybe they could have traded back a bit and grabbed N-Keal harry.

Who knows...but if this season doesn't go well OBJ and Baker could be on the hot set, more likely OBJ gets traded then maybe mid-season.

My outlook is I either want them to make the playoffs or contend for a spot or just be really bad and get a high draft pick...the thing is they could very well be right in between there. No mans land.

 

[dtgold88]

Tough.

who would you have taken?

Easy to say LJ in hindsight, but nobody had that. Some weren’t even sure he was going to be a QB at the NFL level.

Allen is the only guy among the consensus top picks in that draft who has been better than Baker.

and in hindsight looks like he might have been a better choice......but Browns would have been crushed at the time more than they were for taking baker if they picked Allen.

 

[dtgold88]

They should have taken Darnold, imo. From what I've read and heard, Darnold is actually doing well considering the lack of weapons he has. I'd love to see what he could do with the Browns weapons.

He'd have done nothing last year with Freddie running the show and last week against Bmore? I don't think he'd have been any better. But who knows?

Only choices that seem better with hindsight are LJ and allen...and no one was taking LJ #1.

 

[dtgold88]

I don't think they would trade Mayfield but like I said before, this is Dorsey's pick essentially. If he doesn't perform to a certain level they could be looking for a replacement.

while I don't think they have the ego of Dorsey (meaning they'd make decisions because they did or did not pick the player) I agree they would move on if he does not perform. at the very least they would not pick up his option and have him compete for the job.

 

[Shanemansj13]

He'd have done nothing last year with Freddie running the show and last week against Bmore? I don't think he'd have been any better. But who knows?

Yeah it's mentioned Darnold doesn't have a whole lot around him. While Bell has been a bust...he has Crowder, had Robby Anderson last year..not a great offense but look at the division. It's a much easier path than the AFCN...especially this year you would think. IDK we could make excuses for both the QB's tbh. Baker's had 4 HC's in 2 years and his OL was awful last year. Darnold has a lack of weapons and not a great OL as well. They both don't see to be franchise QB's so if we find that out this year...both should be looking for QB replacements. The Browns even more but the thing about the Browns they have to stick with a HC and system or not one QB is going to succeed, I don't care if they get a guy like Lawrence...too much dysfunction.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah it's mentioned Darnold doesn't have a whole lot around him. While Bell has been a bust...he has Crowder, had Robby Anderson last year..not a great offense but look at the division. It's a much easier path than the AFCN...especially this year you would think. IDK we could make excuses for both the QB's tbh. Baker's had 4 HC's in 2 years and his OL was awful last year. Darnold has a lack of weapons and not a great OL as well. They both don't see to be franchise QB's so if we find that out this year...both should be looking for QB replacements. The Browns even more but the thing about the Browns they have to stick with a HC and system or not one QB is going to succeed, I don't care if they get a guy like Lawrence...too much dysfunction.

For the most part I agree.....but worse than not holding on long enough is keeping guys who cannot do the job too long. No way I'd have held onto Freddie (nor Dorsey after he said they should keep Freddy).

Guy I think got a raw deal was Pettine. Though unlikable, maybe Banner.

 

[tlance]

He's decent but I'd undo the deal given the choice. Gonna need Doc Brown's Delorean to go back and let the Browns make their picks in rounds 1 and 3......and see what they do with the extra $14 mil.

Of course.

The deal was fair given OBJ’s value at the time. That is why I say they weren’t hoodwinked.

OBJ just hasn’t been the same player. Whether that is more OBJ’s effort/focus or the Browns’ scheme, or both, I don’t know.

What is clear though is that his value is nowhere near what it was 14 months ago.

 

[tlance]

and in hindsight looks like he might have been a better choice......but Browns would have been crushed at the time more than they were for taking baker if they picked Allen.

There were quite a few scouts who had Allen #1. All 4 were pretty close in the eyes of most. I actually saw Allen at 1 more often than I saw Baker there.

So I don’t think they would have been crushed more than they were.

 

[tlance]

He'd have done nothing last year with Freddie running the show and last week against Bmore? I don't think he'd have been any better. But who knows?

Only choices that seem better with hindsight are LJ and allen...and no one was taking LJ #1.

I agree with this, and obviously hindsight is 20/20.

But it is fair to ask why not?

Jackson had a better collegiate career than any of the 4 with Baker probably the only one where it was even debateable.

He didn’t have glaring accuracy issues or any other red flags to make people think he couldn’t be a quarterback.

I think LJ’s case was that too many scouts had an image of what a franchise QB looks like and LJ didn’t match it.

I doubt they make that mistake again.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I agree with this, and obviously hindsight is 20/20.

But it is fair to ask why not?

Jackson had a better collegiate career than any of the 4 with Baker probably the only one where it was even debateable.

He didn’t have glaring accuracy issues or any other red flags to make people think he couldn’t be a quarterback.

I think LJ’s case was that too many scouts had an image of what a franchise QB looks like and LJ didn’t match it.

I doubt they make that mistake again.

Baker had a much better college career but he played for an elite college program. Lamar's accuracy was questioned at times and decision making. Now it seems the opposite in the NFL, Baker is being questioned for these exact flaws. But it comes back to the discussion, "can a running QB be a NFL QB" and all that...well the Ravens knew something a lot didn't and he was a much better throwing QB than we thought. I just think his OL was pretty bad and that questioned him as a NFL QB. I didn't think a whole lot of him but it seems he is proving most wrong.

I think even though Baker won the Heisman and ended up having a successful college career, we have to remember...this guy is a walk-on and was always doubted. I don't think we can think of him as the #1 pick anymore. Right now he is looking more like that walk-on and not a #1 pick imo.

 

[tlance]

Baker had a much better college career but he played for an elite college program. Lamar's accuracy was questioned at times and decision making. Now it seems the opposite in the NFL, Baker is being questioned for these exact flaws. But it comes back to the discussion, "can a running QB be a NFL QB" and all that...well the Ravens knew something a lot didn't and he was a much better throwing QB than we thought. I just think his OL was pretty bad and that questioned him as a NFL QB. I didn't think a whole lot of him but it seems he is proving most wrong.

I think even though Baker won the Heisman and ended up having a successful college career, we have to remember...this guy is a walk-on and was always doubted. I don't think we can think of him as the #1 pick anymore. Right now he is looking more like that walk-on and not a #1 pick imo.

Lamar won the Heisman too.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Lamar won the Heisman too.

Of course. His running stats propelled him to the Heisman. His passing numbers weren't close to Bakers but still great...he had question marks. But all QB's in that class had question marks. I thought Lamar was projected middle of the 1st if I recall, so he dropped.

 

[tlance]

Of course. His running stats propelled him to the Heisman. His passing numbers weren't close to Bakers but still great...he had question marks. But all QB's in that class had question marks. I thought Lamar was projected middle of the 1st if I recall, so he dropped.

But projected a distant 5th. Well behind Rosen which is actually pretty hilarious.

 

[dtgold88]

I agree with this, and obviously hindsight is 20/20.

But it is fair to ask why not?

Jackson had a better collegiate career than any of the 4 with Baker probably the only one where it was even debateable.

He didn’t have glaring accuracy issues or any other red flags to make people think he couldn’t be a quarterback.

I think LJ’s case was that too many scouts had an image of what a franchise QB looks like and LJ didn’t match it.

I doubt they make that mistake again.

Maybe they learned their lesson the next year as Murray went #1.