NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[tlance]

You made solid points here but the Broncos kicker is far from mediocre.

McManus has been one of the best kickers in the league over the last three seasons, having nailed 83-of-99 field goals (83.8%) despite a league-high average distance of 41.7. He benefits from the thin Denver air when playing at home, but note that he's actually been better on the road during the span (85.7% with a 41.5 average distance)

And he is definitely capable of hitting a 64 yarder.

One of the strongest legs in the league.

 

[trojanfan12]

Interesting explanation from Nathaniel Hackett re: the decision.

Paraphrasing...He said they definitely should have gone for it. But we had a plan we knew the 46 was the mark we needed to get to.

It almost sounds like they probably meant they had to get to at least the 46 to have a shot at a field goal and in the moment, didn't think it all the way through since they had gotten to the 46.

 

[dtgold88]

Right, few exceptions. For example, if the Seahawks offense was rolling over the Denver defense, scoring touchdowns and threatening to build or already had a double digit lead, then I'd likely go for the touchdown to try to stay close.

That's not what was happening last night. Last night, points were a bit harder to come by, so they needed to get them when they could.

Not saying you are wrong even though I don't necessarily agree. Opening holes and not fumbling would be great when they do go for it.

 

[dtgold88]

All true, but I heard a stat this morning that the chances of hitting the field goal was 14% vs 42% going for it.

Also have to remember who the QB is. This wasn't some rookie. This is a guy who has made a career out of coming through in situations like that.

Situations like that are literally why they got him and gave him a $240 million contract. Then the first time they are in that situation, they opt for a 64 yard field goal.

I can agree with that.

Now while I don't know the figures when they were close to the EZ IF it had them with above a 50% chance to score (perhaps above 60%) wouldn't it make sense to have gone for the TD both times?

 

[shopson67]

Tee Higgins screwed me in a couple leagues. Also have Dak in a couple leagues but he can be replaced

I had Higgins and Dak in the same league, along with an underwhelming result from Kamara, Renfrow, etc. Lost by almost 70 lol, so it probably didn't matter anyway...

 

[shopson67]

I was psyched when I was the last guy in my league to draft a QB and AR12 fell to me haha. Oh my god. His WRs looked out matched. They need Lazard back and they need each of those guys to step forward. I may be QB shopping on the waiver wire this week as insurance.

That being said, I still won my game this week by 35 points.

The Packers had a slow start last year too. Eventually these teams will learn that benching your starters throughout preseason doesn't get you ready for week 1.

 

[shopson67]

Thoughts @Shanemansj13 @Stakesarehigh @dtgold88 @WiggyRuss

 

[shopson67]

Learn how to read. Never said you didn't. I said it is not a guarantee conversion.

People can hate/disagree with the decision all they want but the kick had the distance so it wasn't a terrible decision. Not like he didnt have the leg for it

4th and 5 isn't easy. Defense line can pin their ears back while the secondary can play the sticks.

It's a terrible decision when your kicker has a horrible percentage on long kicks IMO. They had time outs left and played to the FG attempt.

It's not only about length. To get that length, you most often sacrifice accuracy.

Short patterns to Javonte had been highly effective, run the WRs past the sticks and hit him underneath.

 

[shopson67]

A guy hitting a 64 yarder?

i would say less than 10%- especially under that pressure.

I would say the chances of converting 4 and 5 is def. not less than 40% with Russel Wilson.

I cant see how you do not go for it. No way was that guy hitting a 64 yarder. You pay Wilson 200 million and have a mediocre kicker try a 64 yarder? cmon.

McManus is 1 for 5 from 60+ (the one make at SoFi last year vs the Chargers)

 

[shopson67]

And he is definitely capable of hitting a 64 yarder.

One of the strongest legs in the league.

He never has though. He's made 1 of 5 over 60 (61 yards).

 

[tlance]

He never has though. He's made 1 of 5 over 60 (61 yards).

How many chances has he had in games from 64 plus?

That isn’t a common thing.

Just because he hasn’t doesn’t mean he can’t.

They should have gone on 4th and 5. It was the higher percentage. But I do think he is capable of making that kick.

 

[trojanfan12]

It's a terrible decision when your kicker has a horrible percentage on long kicks IMO. They had time outs left and played to the FG attempt.

It's not only about length. To get that length, you most often sacrifice accuracy.

Short patterns to Javonte had been highly effective, run the WRs past the sticks and hit him underneath.

Not to mention, RW is a mobile QB who has shown throughout his career that he can use his legs when necessary.

 

[shopson67]

How many chances has he had in games from 64 plus?

That isn’t a common thing.

Just because he hasn’t doesn’t mean he can’t.

They should have gone on 4th and 5. It was the higher percentage. But I do think he is capable of making that kick.

I was certain that Zeurlein was going to break the NFL record while he was a Ram. Never materialized. Despite his big leg, he's only attempted 2 and missed both. He's also only 50% on 50-59. I expected so much more out of him, guess that's why he's now with the Jets...

There have only been 2 successful kicks from 64+ in NFL history; Prater from 64 at elevation and Tucker crawling one over the bar from 66. I'm going to lean strongly towards going for it on 4th down, especially with time, time outs, and a reasonable length on 4th to get.

 

[trojanfan12]

How many chances has he had in games from 64 plus?

That isn’t a common thing.

Just because he hasn’t doesn’t mean he can’t.

They should have gone on 4th and 5. It was the higher percentage. But I do think he is capable of making that kick.

Sure, he can hit it, 14% of the time in that situation according to analytics.

The reason it wasn't a good call is in your own post. It's not a common thing. So he's trying to win a game, on the road, in arguably the NFL's loudest, most hostile stadium by hitting a field goal from a distance he's never even tried more than a time or 2 (if that).

Apparently, McManus has told them that he can hit from the 46 on the left hashmark, so that is what they played to. That was the mistake. A 64 yard field goal should be plan B or C, but they played it like it was plan A.

Playing it like it was plan A, may also explain why there was no sense of urgency during the drive.

 

[shopson67]

Sure, he can hit it, 14% of the time in that situation according to analytics.

The reason it wasn't a good call is in your own post. It's not a common thing. So he's trying to win a game, on the road, in arguably the NFL's loudest, most hostile stadium by hitting a field goal from a distance he's never even tried more than a time or 2 (if that).

Apparently, McManus has told them that he can hit from the 46 on the left hashmark, so that is what they played to. That was the mistake. A 64 yard field goal should be plan B or C, but they played it like it was plan A.

Never trust your players to do something they have never done. Pro players have to be supremely confident to get to that level, but don't game plan around their boasts.

 

[thunderc]

These guys are hammering the ball now, most teams have a kicker that could break the record with ease. It’s a matter of the penalty for missing from that distance just being too high, that’s why we don’t see more attempts. I’ve always thought it would be cool to have a fg contest.

 

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@trojanfan12 @bksballer89

It's a shame it has to be this way. But, Ice is correct.

TF12 can go to Roscoes because he understands how to move in LA.

If you didn't live it, you don't get it.

You can't just go anywhere...

You can't just wear anything...

There is no goddamn way I would just float around Chicago, Jacksonville, Atlanta iced out....no way.

Not sure why people do it in LA.

This is something I had to explain to my daughter and the very reason she went to UCLA and not USC.

She has no situational awareness and has future kidnap victim written all over her.

Westwood can't save her.

She just has to be smarter.

“Not a threat, just a warning,” said Ice-T in a previous tweet. “Young rappers coming to LA for Super Bowl weekend, LA has over 50,000 active gang members. Make sure you play it safe. It’s the Wild Wild West.”

 

[trojanfan12]

@trojanfan12 @bksballer89

It's a shame it has to be this way. But, Ice is correct.

TF12 can go to Roscoes because he understands how to move in LA.

If you didn't live it, you don't get it.

You can't just go anywhere...

You can't just wear anything...

There is no goddamn way I would just float around Chicago, Jacksonville, Atlanta iced out....no way.

Not sure why people do it in LA.

This is something I had to explain to my daughter and the very reason she went to UCLA and not USC.

She has no situational awareness and has future kidnap victim written all over her.

Westwood can't save her.

She just has to be smarter.

“Not a threat, just a warning,” said Ice-T in a previous tweet. “Young rappers coming to LA for Super Bowl weekend, LA has over 50,000 active gang members. Make sure you play it safe. It’s the Wild Wild West.”

Yep.

And to be clear, it was drive straight to Roscoes, eat, then get out of Dodge. I wasn't going for a walk and checking out the other local businesses. Even if you know how to dress, etc. You can still wear out your welcome quick. lol

I think the reason folks do it in LA is that you have a lot of celebrities, so it's just assumed that it's okay. But what a lot of out of towners don't understand is that if you see a celebrity at Roscoe's, they are going to be dressed far differently than if you see them on Rodeo Dr.

 

[Shanemansj13]

These guys are hammering the ball now, most teams have a kicker that could break the record with ease. It’s a matter of the penalty for missing from that distance just being too high, that’s why we don’t see more attempts. I’ve always thought it would be cool to have a fg contest.

York was hitting from 70 before the game. Stefanski had no doubts he would be fine from 58 and he had 8-10 yards to spare

 

[shopson67]

York was hitting from 70 before the game. Stefanski had no doubts he would be fine from 58 and he had 8-10 yards to spare

Kicking off a tee with no defense is a far different task however...