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[skinsdad62]

So you're going by the shitheads of history = human nature? And didn't the bible say the meek shall inherit the world? We're responsible for what we do in this world - and we sure as f better not follow in the footsteps of Hitler. If you don't have higher standards than that... I don't know what to say to you.

tell it to china . tell it to iran , isis al queda north korea russia. thats here today , that isnt history

and the meek shall inherit the earth , but when ? after the tribulation , after christ returns is when

 

[skinsdad62]

Show me than.

Cause thanks to the Indian Citizen Act of 1924 ALL indigenous peoples called Indians in the act that were born in the United States or its territories are American citizens. Now let's review the Pledge of Alliance which was also amended in 1924 as well to include the word America as in United States of America.

with liberty - IE personal freedom
and justice - IE fair treatment from the law.
for all - IE for each and every citizen of the country

Now tell me how does the above square with the Gov't lying and/or breaking promises to its own citizens? It doesn't, that's how.

And there is no fingers crossed, or eye wink, no caveat, no do over, or anything else that says just cuz other countries do it, we can do it to. It ain't biblical either. Its bullshit is what it is.

so you are telling me breed that china comes right out with its communist manifesto and follows it right and doesnt mistreat its citizens ? BS same with russia , its constitution has the same guarantees as we do .

no other country in history has given its citizens the rights we have . and for the most part it has kept its word

25 million people came her illegally for what Breed ? to be oppressed ? millions come here legally breed , for what ? to be oppressed ?

i have been around the world Breed , the citizens of the US are far from oppressed .

yes our govt broke promises and lied . and we have worked to correct that but govt of all types are evil . power is a corrupter

you want to hold this country to a standard no other country could meet either yet you bad mouth this one . it isnt about others do it so we can . its about holding an expectation for this country you dont hold for others . we are far more free and we treat our citizens far better the virtually any country in history

there are billions of people all over this world who would trade places with you today in a heart beat

and you can google anyones constitution , you dont need me to spoon feed you , its there just look

 

[gkekoa]

So you're going by the shitheads of history = human nature? And didn't the bible say the meek shall inherit the world? We're responsible for what we do in this world - and we sure as f better not follow in the footsteps of Hitler. If you don't have higher standards than that... I don't know what to say to you.

I am not sure what your point is here. The verse states, “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.” This states the meek in spirit will (futurist) receive the Earth. What does it mean to be meek in spirit? Are we referring to this Earth, or the “new Earth?”

 

[gkekoa]

That isn't quite how I put it though is it. And its not me discriminating against white men or anyone else. The courts saw AA as a necessary means to correct decades n decades of discrimination that favored a particular group. A group that still continues to benefit in various ways simply from the color of their skin in our society. And let's not bullshit about it. Whatever discrimination white men are facing today. Every minority and females had to deal with and still are dealing with today.

It is almost exactly what you said. Post 520, you stated it doesn’t break your heart that a law exists that explicitly discriminated against white men.

 

[Breed]

so you are telling me breed that china comes right out with its communist manifesto and follows it right and doesnt mistreat its citizens ? BS same with russia , its constitution has the same guarantees as we do .

"I promise to faithfully fulfill the scared mission of socialism with Chinese characteristics ….loyalty to the Motherland, its people and uphold the leadership of the Communist Party of China." That's an oath Chinese lawyers had to start saying back in 2012 if they were first time applicants or wanted to renew their lawyer license. You tell me, where's the liberty or justice in that pledge for a lawyer or any other citizen really. There isn't any. Russia is about to amend some law or statue that would allow Putin to remain its leader till 2036. Russia may have some pretenses, China doesn't even fuck pretenses. The Gov't of those countries are for all intents and purposes are the end all be all. That's what Communist ruled countries are all about, Ain't nothing changed

no other country in history has given its citizens the rights we have . and for the most part it has kept its word

I agree far as the rights we as Americans enjoy. The Gov't hasn't kept its word or anything close to it when dealing with Native Americans.

25 million people came her illegally for what Breed ? to be oppressed ? millions come here legally breed , for what ? to be oppressed ?

We're not talking about foreigners.

i have been around the world Breed , the citizens of the US are far from oppressed .

Wait wait wait. You n G need to stop doing this shit. Stay on point. I didn't say NAs were oppressed. I said they were habitually lied to throughout history by our Gov't.

yes our govt broke promises and lied . and we have worked to correct that but govt of all types are evil . power is a corrupter

Are you saying our Gov't is evil?

you want to hold this country to a standard no other country could meet either yet you bad mouth this one . it isnt about others do it so we can . its about holding an expectation for this country you dont hold for others . we are far more free and we treat our citizens far better the virtually any country in history

I'm not holding the country to any standard except that which is set for itself. If anyone is dragging our country through the mud. Its you. In this thread alone you've listed China, Russia, Iran, Al Qudea and Isis as countries or groups that we should take cues from. They've all done it so it makes it alright for us to do it. One of the things, perhaps the biggest, most important single thing that makes my country better than every country or group you've named as examples the US should follow. Is the freedom to criticize my country/Gov't. To say they we have fallen woefully short in a particular area. Without fear of reprisal or repercussion from the Gov't. The freedom to voice my opinion, even if that opinion is not kind to our leaders, or their policies. W/O fear of being renditioned away under the cover of darkness or worse, put to death. You think you're being patriotic be saying America should follow the same path as the totalitarian regimes and groups you trotted out? You're not. You should be ashamed of yourself if you thought that.

there are billions of people all over this world who would trade places with you today in a heart beat

Not if they read what you think America should be.

and you can google anyones constitution , you dont need me to spoon feed you , its there just look

Claiming something to be true to someone who then ask you for proof which you fail to produce. Then telling the person you made the claim to in the first place. To go look it up himself. Does very little to add to your credibility.

 

[Breed]

It is almost exactly what you said. Post 520, you stated it doesn’t break your heart that a law exists that explicitly discriminated against white men.

Considering the unwritten advantages whites have had since the birth of our nation right up to this point today. That doesn't break my heart from an overall standpoint.

That's ^^^^^ what I said. Apologies if it caused you to clutch your pearls as you passed out on your fainting couch.

Your word is starting to look pretty shitty as well, G.

 

[skinsdad62]

"I promise to faithfully fulfill the scared mission of socialism with Chinese characteristics ….loyalty to the Motherland, its people and uphold the leadership of the Communist Party of China." That's an oath Chinese lawyers had to start saying back in 2012 if they were first time applicants or wanted to renew their lawyer license. You tell me, where's the liberty or justice in that pledge for a lawyer or any other citizen really. There isn't any. Russia is about to amend some law or statue that would allow Putin to remain its leader till 2036. Russia may have some pretenses, China doesn't even fuck pretenses. The Gov't of those countries are for all intents and purposes are the end all be all. That's what Communist ruled countries are all about, Ain't nothing changed



I agree far as the rights we as Americans enjoy. The Gov't hasn't kept its word or anything close to it when dealing with Native Americans.



We're not talking about foreigners.



Wait wait wait. You n G need to stop doing this shit. Stay on point. I didn't say NAs were oppressed. I said they were habitually lied to throughout history by our Gov't.



Are you saying our Gov't is evil?



I'm not holding the country to any standard except that which is set for itself. If anyone is dragging our country through the mud. Its you. In this thread alone you've listed China, Russia, Iran, Al Qudea and Isis as countries or groups that we should take cues from. They've all done it so it makes it alright for us to do it. One of the things, perhaps the biggest, most important single thing that makes my country better than every country or group you've named as examples the US should follow. Is the freedom to criticize my country/Gov't. To say they we have fallen woefully short in a particular area. Without fear of reprisal or repercussion from the Gov't. The freedom to voice my opinion, even if that opinion is not kind to our leaders, or their policies. W/O fear of being renditioned away under the cover of darkness or worse, put to death. You think you're being patriotic be saying America should follow the same path as the totalitarian regimes and groups you trotted out? You're not. You should be ashamed of yourself if you thought that.



Not if they read what you think America should be.



Claiming something to be true to someone who then ask you for proof which you fail to produce. Then telling the person you made the claim to in the first place. To go look it up himself. Does very little to add to your credibility.

I have looked up so many things before only to have it ignored I simply am not going to . If you don’t get that other countries claim the same things about liberty and freedom , equal rights no matter what style of govts they use then I can’t help you.
Our history is no different when it comes to mistakes or broken promises then anyone else’s in history and I dare you to show otherwise

Canada didn’t just pop up . They took land by deceit and by force and fulfilled their manifest destiny .
What do you think the British , French , Spanish , Dutch Portuguese. Did ? All of those countries claim the same things we do yet the Portuguese enslaved more people then we ever thought about . The Spanish wiped out 3 civilizations . The French and Brits and Dutch routinely broke treaties with NA’s over and over again when it suited them as did the Spanish . All claim the same things about liberty and equality etc that we do

 

[gkekoa]

Considering the unwritten advantages whites have had since the birth of our nation right up to this point today. That doesn't break my heart from an overall standpoint.

That's ^^^^^ what I said. Apologies if it caused you to clutch your pearls as you passed out on your fainting couch.

Your word is starting to look pretty shitty as well, G.

Translation...You don’t mind discrimination against white men.

 

[Rowdy]

 

[Breed]

I have looked up so many things before only to have it ignored I simply am not going to . If you don’t get that other countries claim the same things about liberty and freedom , equal rights no matter what style of govts they use then I can’t help you.
Our history is no different when it comes to mistakes or broken promises then anyone else’s in history and I dare you to show otherwise

Canada didn’t just pop up . They took land by deceit and by force and fulfilled their manifest destiny .
What do you think the British , French , Spanish , Dutch Portuguese. Did ? All of those countries claim the same things we do yet the Portuguese enslaved more people then we ever thought about . The Spanish wiped out 3 civilizations . The French and Brits and Dutch routinely broke treaties with NA’s over and over again when it suited them as did the Spanish . All claim the same things about liberty and equality etc that we do

Because they did it. Its alright for us to do it as well is such a weak ass shitty excuse. And you made a serious reversal going from China, Russia n Iran. To the UK, French, n Canada. You can just say you were wrong or don't know, that's OK.

The way you describe America its not a shining beacon on a hill calling to all peoples who yearn for liberty and freedom. Its just another country mired in the same governmental control and restrictions every other country is mired in.

 

[Breed]

dp

 

[Breed]

Translation...You don’t mind discrimination against white men.

This ^^^^ juvenile argument and your focus in it has become tiresome. As I said earlier. With all the unwritten rules benefitting whites since the inception of our country right up to today from an overall standpoint I'm OK with it. Why is that? Because while you and people like you want to claim systemic racism no longer exist and minorities are on equal footing with whites. An honest evaluation will tell you. While we've come a long way as a country. We still have a ways to go. Instead though, you'd rather retreat into your butthurt and try n paint me as something I'm not.

Right up to the present.
A new study found fine-dining restaurants in Seattle told white applicants to start immediately, while telling Black jobseekers they're 'not hiring'

 

[skinsdad62]

Because they did it. Its alright for us to do it as well is such a weak ass shitty excuse. And you made a serious reversal going from China, Russia n Iran. To the UK, French, n Canada. You can just say you were wrong or don't know, that's OK.

The way you describe America its not a shining beacon on a hill calling to all peoples who yearn for liberty and freedom. Its just another country mired in the same governmental control and restrictions every other country is mired in.

again show me where i said that . i have said you are holding our country to a standard you dont hold others too . now i dont know how you make that leap that i excuse anything

as for the so called flip i went with countries that directly affected NA's though north and south america since you cant fess up that those countries ALL promise justice , liberty and freedom https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/c...edir=1&article=1197&context=law_globalstudies

the above link is the chinese Constitution

The Constitution of the Russian Federation

russian constitution

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Iran_1989.pdf?lang=en

iranian constitution

you will notice all talk about the same "freedoms " we have

so i wasnt wrong i just wanted you to look it up . now lets see your dodge

 

[Breed]

again show me where i said that . i have said you are holding our country to a standard you dont hold others too . now i dont know how you make that leap that i excuse anything

as for the so called flip i went with countries that directly affected NA's though north and south america since you cant fess up that those countries ALL promise justice , liberty and freedom https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/c...edir=1&article=1197&context=law_globalstudies

the above link is the chinese Constitution

The Constitution of the Russian Federation

russian constitution

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Iran_1989.pdf?lang=en

iranian constitution

you will notice all talk about the same "freedoms " we have

so i wasnt wrong i just wanted you to look it up . now lets see your dodge

again show me where i said that . i have said you are holding our country to a standard you dont hold others too . now i dont know how you make that leap that i excuse anything

as for the so called flip i went with countries that directly affected NA's though north and south america since you cant fess up that those countries ALL promise justice , liberty and freedom https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/c...edir=1&article=1197&context=law_globalstudies

the above link is the chinese Constitution

The Constitution of the Russian Federation

russian constitution

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Iran_1989.pdf?lang=en

iranian constitution

you will notice all talk about the same "freedoms " we have

so i wasnt wrong i just wanted you to look it up . now lets see your dodge

Alright. Good deal. I was wrong. Russia's Constitution does call for individual freedom and liberty. I guess you could say Iran's Constitution calls for individual liberty and freedom as well as long as it conforms with Islamic criteria. Can't call it for China's Constitution. I haven't found anything yet, plus I've seen some other shit that caught my interest so thanks for the dope and yeah, I'll admit concerning Russia and even Iran. I was wrong.

And to that I say......So what you actually mean is that you want America to act just like these other countries when it comes to our Gov't making promises to another country or group? That being to treat the US Constitution the same way Russia and Iran treat their constitutions. Is that accurate?

 

[skinsdad62]

Alright. Good deal. I was wrong. Russia's Constitution does call for individual freedom and liberty. I guess you could say Iran's Constitution calls for individual liberty and freedom as well as long as it conforms with Islamic criteria. Can't call it for China's Constitution. I haven't found anything yet, plus I've seen some other shit that caught my interest so thanks for the dope and yeah, I'll admit concerning Russia and even Iran. I was wrong.

And to that I say......So what you actually mean is that you want America to act just like these other countries when it comes to our Gov't making promises to another country or group? That being to treat the US Constitution the same way Russia and Iran treat their constitutions. Is that accurate?

nope not at all , i want america to be held to the same standard as other countries who advocate the same things we do yet fall short (like we do and have )

its easy for guys like you and me to sit behind a keyboard and talk about what shoulda happened through 20/20 hindsight . society was different then and not as educated .

and quite frankly evil men were in charge in a lot of cases particularly when it came to the indian bureau

when i was born in 1962 there was "separate but equal " going on . white and black restrooms and you know the drill . . 12 yrs ago we elected a black president .
all that in my lifetime there are people of color , woman in positions of leadership throughout society in virtually every field . yes we need to do some work

but after awhile i get sick and tired of my country being bad mouthed at every turn . i am sick of flag kneelers , burners and people running over it when in most countries if you did that you would be in jail or executed

america has done lots of good . it helped beat the soviet union , beat the dictators of ww2 , it gives aid to virtually every country in the world to include those who would do us harm

when a dictator needs to be dealt with , who do the call ? russia / china / europe ? there is no UN peace keeping force without the US , no NATO , No norad , No EU without US south africa would still have apartheid without us intervening

any natural disaster in the world and the US is there to help . and most of the time we do it alone

by the way Breed , most people wouldnt have said what you said about my links i posted . you are a good man

 

[chillerdab]

Lame reasoning.

Just because America does awesome things for other people in other countries doesn’t mean that they shouldnt do better with their own constituency.

 

[skinsdad62]

Lame reasoning.

Just because America does awesome things for other people in other countries doesn’t mean that they shouldnt do better with their own constituency.

didnt say that

 

[Breed]

nope not at all , i want america to be held to the same standard as other countries who advocate the same things we do yet fall short (like we do and have )

its easy for guys like you and me to sit behind a keyboard and talk about what shoulda happened through 20/20 hindsight . society was different then and not as educated .

and quite frankly evil men were in charge in a lot of cases particularly when it came to the indian bureau

when i was born in 1962 there was "separate but equal " going on . white and black restrooms and you know the drill . . 12 yrs ago we elected a black president .
all that in my lifetime there are people of color , woman in positions of leadership throughout society in virtually every field . yes we need to do some work

but after awhile i get sick and tired of my country being bad mouthed at every turn . i am sick of flag kneelers , burners and people running over it when in most countries if you did that you would be in jail or executed

america has done lots of good . it helped beat the soviet union , beat the dictators of ww2 , it gives aid to virtually every country in the world to include those who would do us harm

when a dictator needs to be dealt with , who do the call ? russia / china / europe ? there is no UN peace keeping force without the US , no NATO , No norad , No EU without US south africa would still have apartheid without us intervening

any natural disaster in the world and the US is there to help . and most of the time we do it alone

by the way Breed , most people wouldnt have said what you said about my links i posted . you are a good man

That's just it though, Dad. America has come up short in the past and it has rectified some of those shortcomings by amending our Constitution. And yeah, I was wrong and you were on point. Those countries constitutions do speak on individual liberties and freedoms, but their citizenry isn't allowed to practice it if it doesn't conform to Gov't/state regiments. And I'm not talking about criminal or even suspect activity. Despite what its constitution says, women have no rights in Iran. Hell, honor killings still take place there. Homosexuals are murdered there and in Russia are seriously fucked, beat up, outcast and not just by the state, but by the Church as well. All 3 countries, including China will imprison you for publicly speaking out against the Gov't. Those aren't countries we should try and model ourselves or use to excuse our wrongdoings by saying they do it to, why shouldn't we do it to.

And right, we do all that. If aid needs to be given we give. If a natural we go and we help, all over the world. We've made serious strides in race relations though race sadly is still a tool used by our leaders to separate us. We've made huge strides in how we treat/view at homosexuals/lesbians, strides for women and more. But we can't fall back on what we've done to the good, to excuse what wrongs we still have righted. And I don't things are gonna happen overnight. We're not gonna wake up tomorrow and all will be right with America. But we gotta keep on striving, we have to be critical if criticism is called for just as we should praise what deserves praise. Truth be told, Its a process that likely will never stop. Turnover in Gov't can erase good things a pasts Gov't implemented or a incoming Gov't can right some wrongs that a former Gov't didn't or wouldn't.

Its because of the things you mention above that the rest of the world has looked to us to be the leader when trouble arises anywhere in the world. All I'm saying is. lets give the same help to our own people, our countrymen that we give to others. Because that is an area where imo, we fall short or are too slow to react at times.

 

[gkekoa]

This ^^^^ juvenile argument and your focus in it has become tiresome. As I said earlier. With all the unwritten rules benefitting whites since the inception of our country right up to today from an overall standpoint I'm OK with it. Why is that? Because while you and people like you want to claim systemic racism no longer exist and minorities are on equal footing with whites. An honest evaluation will tell you. While we've come a long way as a country. We still have a ways to go. Instead though, you'd rather retreat into your butthurt and try n paint me as something I'm not.

Right up to the present.
A new study found fine-dining restaurants in Seattle told white applicants to start immediately, while telling Black jobseekers they're 'not hiring'

Not at all. You stated you are OK with legalized discrimination against white men...your words.

You want an equal outcome because you like to believe people’s choices don’t matter. You like to believe that the system causes black children to read later than white children, rather than an emphasis on parents encouraging their children to read and assisting them. You like to believe the system causes black people to commit crime at a higher rate and not the personal choices of individuals. You like to believe that the system causes black teenagers to have single parent households rather than personal choice.

You don’t want to put anything on individuals. You would rather put it on groups of people. You fail to see that is RACIST. You see groups of people and think entire groups are mistreated by other entire groups of people because of unequal outcomes. A non-racist sees individuals as being capable of success bas3d on their choices, and their skills, while accepting there are a few individuals out there that are actually racist.

 

[skinsdad62]

That's just it though, Dad. America has come up short in the past and it has rectified some of those shortcomings by amending our Constitution. And yeah, I was wrong and you were on point. Those countries constitutions do speak on individual liberties and freedoms, but their citizenry isn't allowed to practice it if it doesn't conform to Gov't/state regiments. And I'm not talking about criminal or even suspect activity. Despite what its constitution says, women have no rights in Iran. Hell, honor killings still take place there. Homosexuals are murdered there and in Russia are seriously fucked, beat up, outcast and not just by the state, but by the Church as well. All 3 countries, including China will imprison you for publicly speaking out against the Gov't. Those aren't countries we should try and model ourselves or use to excuse our wrongdoings by saying they do it to, why shouldn't we do it to.

And right, we do all that. If aid needs to be given we give. If a natural we go and we help, all over the world. We've made serious strides in race relations though race sadly is still a tool used by our leaders to separate us. We've made huge strides in how we treat/view at homosexuals/lesbians, strides for women and more. But we can't fall back on what we've done to the good, to excuse what wrongs we still have righted. And I don't things are gonna happen overnight. We're not gonna wake up tomorrow and all will be right with America. But we gotta keep on striving, we have to be critical if criticism is called for just as we should praise what deserves praise. Truth be told, Its a process that likely will never stop. Turnover in Gov't can erase good things a pasts Gov't implemented or a incoming Gov't can right some wrongs that a former Gov't didn't or wouldn't.

Its because of the things you mention above that the rest of the world has looked to us to be the leader when trouble arises anywhere in the world. All I'm saying is. lets give the same help to our own people, our countrymen that we give to others. Because that is an area where imo, we fall short or are too slow to react at times.

i can easily agree with this . but as long as we push the negative and teach our kids to hate the country then it wont get better . yes address our weaknesses but lets not act like are north korea either