My top 25 QBs of all time

[Shanemansj13]

I wouldn't have either but that's where he landed . Longevity is a worthwhile component to excellence but often gets a bad rap . The ability to play ( and stay healthy ) for 15 years is a rare commodity

Why is Manning ahead of Montana? 4 SB's. He had almost the same QB rating in a different era, which is pretty crazy. Montana also had the much higher playoff QB rating by 8 points.

Longevity shouldn't play a huge part in the comparison but I agree it should factor in but very little. In Eli's case it shouldn't play much of a role factor considering he has the same QB rating as Joe Flacco.

 

[rmilia1]

Why is Manning ahead of Montana? 4 SB's. He had almost the same QB rating in a different era, which is pretty crazy. Montana also had the much higher playoff QB rating by 8 points.

Longevity shouldn't play a huge part in the comparison but I agree it should factor in but very little. In Eli's case it shouldn't play much of a role factor considering he has the same QB rating as Joe Flacco.

Because I gave equal weight to MVPs as I did Super Bowls . A QB wins a SB every year , a QB does not win a MVP every year and ( imo ) winning a MVP in a better indicator of actual elite individual performance

 

[megalodon30]

You can say that about a lot of guys . Take away Aikmans 3 SB rings and he's a mediocre regular season QB with a 2-5 playoff record . Ultimately you can't just dismiss 2 rings and 8 wins because they don't fit your preconceptions . As stated I wouldn't have put Eli top 25 either but the overall numbers do

Eli plays in a pass happy era and still manages to be one of the worst ranked QBs. If you like yards so much, why isn't Matt Stafford on your list? How many 5,000 yard seasons does he have? So impressive.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Because I gave equal weight to MVPs as I did Super Bowls . A QB wins a SB every year , a QB does not win a MVP every year and ( imo ) winning a MVP in a better indicator of actual elite individual performance

I don't factor in Super Bowls much unless it is a deciding factor, I only brought up bc you used it for Eli. Zero MVP's and 2 great super bowl runs but other than that it's only longevity for him...but that is average longevity. The only reason he is in your top 25 is bc of QB's so being that...Montana should be at 2...actually where I have him.

 

[kburjr]

The thing with Eli is consistency. You never knew if you were going to get good Eli or bad Eli.

 

[eaglesnut]

The thing with Eli is consistency. You never knew if you were going to get good Eli or bad Eli.

A lot more good than bad.

More than everyone except 6 guys in yards.

And even more impressive because touchdowns are more important than yards, more than everyone except 7 guys in passing touchdowns.

 

[eaglesnut]

Hooray, he throws a lot of yards.

Make this joke with touchdowns so you can sound even more retarded.

 

[rmilia1]

It's interesting because people tend to take what they believe them look for stats to back it up. Like we are supposed to ignore longevity and rings with Eli and Marino ( albeit for different arguments ) and instead look at individual excellence ( records /MVPs) but then when debating the cream of the crop we are supposed to use rings as the determining factor as opposed to MVPs/records .

I just used all of them as opposed to picking and choosing on a case by case

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Overall, it's a solid list and really nothing to argue over. The two QBs I might have thrown a little more love at was Staubach and Fouts. I recall so many dramatic last minute wins by Staubach. To think how much greater his career would have been had he not committed in his early years to the Navy. As for Fouts, he was the QB who perfected the art of throwing to the spot vs throwing to the receiver, which is now commonplace thruout the league. Granted, that was in large part a result of the masterful play calling of Head Coach Don Coryell, who IMO was one of the most underrated offensive minds in NFL history. But you still needed the right man to get that ball to the right spot at just the right time. And Fouts was just the guy to do it.

 

[megalodon30]

Make this joke with touchdowns so you can sound even more retarded.

Career TD %, he isn't even in the top 65. He's thrown a lot of passes. Of course he's thrown a lot of TDs. He's still garbage.

 

[Wamu]

1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Young
___________
6. Rodgers (for now)
7. Unitas
8. Favre
9. Staubach
___________

Your # 3 selection. Do you mean Eli or Peyton?

 

[eaglesnut]

Career TD %, he isn't even in the top 65. He's thrown a lot of passes. Of course he's thrown a lot of TDs. He's still garbage.

Another mindless drooling hater.

TD%

 

[Tapey]

Your # 3 selection. Do you mean Eli or Peyton?

Peyton cuz eli is at 23

 

[Shanemansj13]

A lot more good than bad.

More than everyone except 6 guys in yards.

And even more impressive because touchdowns are more important than yards, more than everyone except 7 guys in passing touchdowns.

Average...other than his short playoff runs that were great that's what he is. One stat isn't everything but lets look at QB Rating...

Out of 30 NFL Qb's

2018 - 21st
2017 - 25th
2016 - 22nd
2015 - 13th
2014 - 15th
2013 - 35th..backup Qb's were better. This is sad. Played 16 games too.
2012 - 14th
2011 - 7th
2010 - 17th
2009 - 11th
2008 - 15th
2007 - 25th
2006 - 18th
2005 - 23rd
2004 - Started 7 games

This was actually worse than I anticipated. He can't be a top 25 QB when he isn't even a top 15 QB in the league RIGHT NOW in this generation. This is pathetic. You using passing TD's and yards pretty much says it all...you have nothing else to backup why he is worthy for this list...shit worthy for a top 75 QB list.

Top 10 QB Rating ONCE in his CAREER and it wasn't even top 5. Like I said, one stat doesn't say everything but this is a pretty telling stat that he was really average to below average in most of his career.

 

[Wamu]

Peyton cuz eli is at 23

Shane's list only goes to 9 though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

It's interesting because people tend to take what they believe them look for stats to back it up. Like we are supposed to ignore longevity and rings with Eli and Marino ( albeit for different arguments ) and instead look at individual excellence ( records /MVPs) but then when debating the cream of the crop we are supposed to use rings as the determining factor as opposed to MVPs/records .

I just used all of them as opposed to picking and choosing on a case by case

Which is fair but Eli is really a different case. Two playoff runs and that's it. He played for a long time with an average career, it's not like we haven't seen that before from QB's. He was only a top 10 QB once in his career...how can vault him to top 25 in NFL history. Sorry I just don't see it

 

[Wamu]

Which is fair but Eli is really a different case. Two playoff runs and that's it. He played for a long time with an average career, it's not like we haven't seen that before from QB's. He was only a top 10 QB once in his career...how can vault him to top 25 in NFL history. Sorry I just don't see it

Eli is the definition of average. But there's not a QB w/ 110+ wins, 55,000+ yards, 350+ TD's & 2 S.B. mvp's that's been left outta the HOF.

 

[rmilia1]

Which is fair but Eli is really a different case. Two playoff runs and that's it. He played for a long time with an average career, it's not like we haven't seen that before from QB's. He was only a top 10 QB once in his career...how can vault him to top 25 in NFL history. Sorry I just don't see it

Yet one could say the same about Aikman ( for example ). Middling stats , average regular season performer but won 3 SBs so most include him ( usually even higher than where I have him ). Eli's not unique , he's just current .

 

[eaglesnut]

Average...other than his short playoff runs that were great that's what he is. One stat isn't everything but lets look at QB Rating...

Out of 30 NFL Qb's

2018 - 21st
2017 - 25th
2016 - 22nd
2015 - 13th
2014 - 15th
2013 - 35th..backup Qb's were better. This is sad. Played 16 games too.
2012 - 14th
2011 - 7th
2010 - 17th
2009 - 11th
2008 - 15th
2007 - 25th
2006 - 18th
2005 - 23rd
2004 - Started 7 games

This was actually worse than I anticipated. He can't be a top 25 QB when he isn't even a top 15 QB in the league RIGHT NOW in this generation. This is pathetic. You using passing TD's and yards pretty much says it all...you have nothing else to backup why he is worthy for this list...shit worthy for a top 75 QB list.

Top 10 QB Rating ONCE in his CAREER and it wasn't even top 5. Like I said, one stat doesn't say everything but this is a pretty telling stat that he was really average to below average in most of his career.

QB rating is a made up combination of real stats.




In other words

Shut the Fuck up.

 

[GNG]

1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Young
___________
6. Rodgers (for now)
7. Unitas
8. Favre
9. Staubach
___________

No Otto Graham or Bart Starr?