MJ Kobe Lebron?

[trojanfan12]

Yep i didn't want to be the one to say it but yeah since he passed, he is now a slam dunk for top 5. Before he was roughly borderline top 10

Yeah, like @tlance said, give it a few years. It'll change back.

 

[Robotech]

As bad as the Rockets' 0 for 23 or whatever it was?

True, I was only thinking about individual performances. Ariza, Gordon, and Harden did miss 9, 10, and 11 three pointers respectively in that game. But at least that Rockets' slump was just for that game. Must've been tough for Harrison Barnes to have three games in a row of struggles like that. I'm sure he can't wait until the next time he's in the playoffs. He's played in 64 playoff games, but none since Game 7 of the 2016 Finals.

 

[Robotech]

Who are these folks you are addressing? Everyone here disagrees with you.

Yeah, if only this thread had a poll. Denial is a funny word to use there, unless he truly believes that the opinions of those 5 players is irrefutable evidence that Kobe is better than LeBron.

 

[SJ76]

So then how/why do NBA players do a pretty poor job on on the whole when it comes to all star voting? I mean, a third of players didn't think Gainnis was worthy of starting and nearly 40% of players didn't think LeBron was worthy... Should we trust their judgement and use your belief system that 'they know the talent they're facing?'

Analysis: Too many players making mockery of All-Star voting

This isn’t all star voting. Lol

this is simple. You face up to 3 different guys on the court. You know who’s the better of all 3 especially if you’ve faced them a lot or even played with them like a Ray Allen.

Are we not supposed to listen to the actual players that have guarded these 3? Just listen to the Skip Bayless types?

 

[SJ76]

Who are these folks you are addressing? Everyone here disagrees with you.

Disagree with me? Lol Did you see me on that video? I haven’t guarded all 3 of these guys. These are actual NBA players not the internet

 

[SJ76]

Yeah, it's amazing how many top 10's and top 5's Kobe has suddenly been showing up in.

This video was out 8 months ago. Before Kobe died. I found it interesting so many guys didn’t put Lebron above Kobe.

No I did not make the video

 

[tlance]

This isn’t all star voting. Lol

this is simple. You face up to 3 different guys on the court. You know who’s the better of all 3 especially if you’ve faced them a lot or even played with them like a Ray Allen.

Are we not supposed to listen to the actual players that have guarded these 3? Just listen to the Skip Bayless types?

Skip Bayless is an idiot.

It is wise to listen to info from all informed sources, but then form your own opinion.

As has been pointed out, players tend to have some pretty crazy opinions on these types of matters.

Hell, you ask Jordan himself who the GOAT is and he will say Russell. So I guess case closed right?

 

[SJ76]

Well what I was alluding too was that the metric of guarding someone is gauged differently based on the defender. Saying someone is harder to guard isn't universal in standard. So using that as your main source of evidence isn't exactly solid.

Lol. It’s not my evidence.

it’s a video with former players saying it. All faced all 3. Those guys were on the court not I.

You can’t just throw the actual players (peers) opinions out the window and judge by stats only. That’s stupid. Who are the best players of that time who’s opinion carries the most weight?


KG? Faced all 3
Paul Pierce? All 3
Ray Allen faced all 3 and played with Lebron
Vince Carter faced all 3
TMac

who else in that period of time? You’re just gonna throw their actual experience out the window and listen to Shannon sharpe? Lol

cmon man

 

[SJ76]

Skip Bayless is an idiot.

It is wise to listen to info from all informed sources, but then form your own opinion.

As has been pointed out, players tend to have some pretty crazy opinions on these types of matters.

Hell, you ask Jordan himself who the GOAT is and he will say Russell. So I guess case closed right?

Players with the actual experience are crazy but the internet knows all?


This is gold


Jordan is respectful to the players before him. in that video your boy Lebron crowns himself.


Peers are the best way to judge the GOAT. Period. You cannot just throw away players experience on all 3 like it doesn’t count due to bias. They are the ones who know!! Lol


Who did you guard besides your 6 year old son? I love to know everyone’s resume in here and who they’ve guarded.

 

[msgkings322]

Disagree with me? Lol Did you see me on that video? I haven’t guarded all 3 of these guys. These are actual NBA players not the internet

Yes, you. We all disagree with you.

 

[SJ76]

Street cred — Colin cowherd


Actual NBA stars that played against all 3 — biased


Interesting indeed

 

[SJ76]

Yes, you. We all disagree with you.

And that would be....?? You’re rustled jimmies again?

 

[jontaejones]

No question at all who is currently the GOAT. But who’s #2? According to NBA players who played against MJ Lebron and Kobe... Kobe should not be overlooked and some of them haven’t put Lebron over Kobe. These are actual players on the court with these 3. I thought it was a very interesting take


Ray Allen
TMac
KG
Artest
Paul Pierce

NBA players have all kinds of egos and weird hidden agendas.

They're not really the best people to evaluate others players. They won't always say what they mean, they're partial as sh@t and contradict themselves often.

Coaches and then sports writers are the best objective evaluators...

 

[SJ76]

I can just see you all in a bar telling Ray Allen “you’re wrong”. “You don’t understand that when you guarded those guys, you became biased”


Lol

NBA players have all kinds of egos and weird hidden agendas.

They're not really the best people to evaluate others players. They won't always say what they mean, they're partial as sh@t and contradict themselves often.

Coaches and then sports writers are the best objective evaluators...

yes because coaches and sports writers have no agendas ever.

Lmao. What’s Ray Allen’s agenda?


KGs agenda? TMacs agenda? Vince Carter’s agenda?

 

[StanMarsh51]

This isn’t all star voting. Lol

this is simple. You face up to 3 different guys on the court. You know who’s the better of all 3 especially if you’ve faced them a lot or even played with them like a Ray Allen.

Are we not supposed to listen to the actual players that have guarded these 3? Just listen to the Skip Bayless types?

But you're saying you trust the players on who they think is best...if a significant chunk don't think Gianni's or LeBron is the best at their position, how can you seriously say you trust what they think? Otherwise you're saying their opinions only matter when it's convenient for your argument..

 

[SJ76]

Lol someone explain to me what Ron Artests “agenda” is when labeling the GOAT?

 

[SJ76]

But you're saying you trust the players on who they think is best...if a significant chunk don't think Gianni's or LeBron is the best at their position, how can you seriously say you trust what they think? Otherwise you're saying their opinions only matter when it's convenient for your argument..

Huh?




It’s simple.


Dudes that guarded Jordan Kobe Lebron. Their experience and what they think.

 

[SJ76]

Dam did anyone even watch the video?


Skip?
Shannon?
Steven A?
Colin?

 

[StanMarsh51]

Huh?




It’s simple.


Dudes that guarded Jordan Kobe Lebron. Their experience and what they think.

And dudes that played against Giannis/LeBron don't think they're the best at their position as evidenced by the voting. Can't have it both ways.... Just about every player voting has played in a game vs or with LeBron/Giannis, correct?

You're picking and choosing when players 'experience' and opinions have merit to bolster your argument...

 

[SJ76]

And dudes that played against Giannis/LeBron don't think they're the best at their position as evidenced by the voting. Can't have it both ways.... Just about every player voting has played in a game vs or with LeBron/Giannis, correct?

You're picking and choosing when players 'experience' and opinions have merit to bolster your argument...

Who doesn’t think Giannis or Lebron isn’t the best at their position? This isn’t a vote for 1 year all star game that means nothing its overall body of work of who’s guarded the same 3 guys and whos the best ever. Horrible comparison