Game Thread: Miami Heat Game Thread for December/January

[bksballer89]

Id like to ask this question for the sake of debate - and I will ask it again along with some others on game day. You all talk like there is some perfect blueprint approach that Spo and the heat staff should follow as to how to coach the team, how to work the lineups, rotations etc - it seems no one takes note that every game and opponent is different. Note: I am all for the Heat playing to their strengths. And I do agree they should be able to dictate the flow of a game by playing to their strengths but sometimes things just don't go as planned. -- so I ask:


Whats the perfect game plan for the Heat? What is the perfect/ideal bench rotation/sub patterns the Heat should use? Who are the guys the Heat should/shouldnt play on a nightly basis? How many minutes should each guy get? What plays should be called for each guy? Who should be on the court? And when?

People in here talk as if they have the perfect plan as to how things should be done and it seems you swear it would guarantee wins -- so lets hear it? I want to hear what the road to perfection would look like for the Heat in your eyes?

I don't have a perfect plan but what I do know is that in the 4th quarter of a close game, we should not have an offensively challenged lineup for the first half of the 4th. No need for Richardson, McBob, & Winslow to ever play in the 4th at the same time unless it is a blow out.

 

[Paolo305613]

He is either fully healthy or realizes what I said the other day - he needs to find a way to play through whatever is nagging him. He is needed out there

 

[Paolo305613]

I don't have a perfect plan but what I do know is that in the 4th quarter of a close game, we should not have an offensively challenged lineup for the first half of the 4th.

A lineup, is only " offensively challenged" as you call it, when the guys on the court aren't hitting their shots. Otherwise no one complains.

 

[bksballer89]

Put it this way @Paolo305613 in the 4th quarter of the game, 2 of the following players IMO should always be on the court:

Dragic
Wade
Bosh
Whiteside

 

[Paolo305613]

Oh , and by the way, I don't expect anyone to have the perfect game plan/approach answer to my question..... BECAUSE THERE ISNT ONE. Every fucking game and opponent is different.

Now, a few tweets from EJS, should get some people excited



So, now, if and when Hassan gets his chances in these situations and fails to come through as needed on a consistent basis - he will have no one to blame but himself. And should be the case from everyone else. But of course, we are all rooting for him to succeed in this manner. Lets see

 

[bksballer89]

A lineup, is only " offensively challenged" as you call it, when the guys on the court aren't hitting their shots. Otherwise no one complains.

When you have nobody on the court who can beat guys off the dribble, it is difficult to score.

 

[Paolo305613]

Put it this way @Paolo305613 in the 4th quarter of the game, 2 of the following players IMO should always be on the court:

Dragic
Wade
Bosh
Whiteside

Do you not take time of game, score, opponent into account? How about foul trouble, how one of these players is playing at the time? It seems people think they have the perfect lineup and think its all about just sending guys out there but fail to take into account the different situations that can present themselves

 

[Paolo305613]

This is the Hassan we need to see and here from. What we saw last night was misdirected anger as EReid called it. Guys being frustrated about something and taking it out on the wrong people(refs) when they had no one to blame but themselves.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

It happens. we have seen it before work in favor of the Heat - other times against the Heat. Fact is Washington set the tone early and we played from behind ever since - every time we made a run, they had a response. It wasn't our night. It happens. As I recall when people in here were making their season record predictions, none of us had them 82-0. Losses will happen. This is one of them. Not the end of the world. 63 games left. Time to move on.





Never have said he's perfect nor do I think such is the case. Forgive me if I am not on the bandwagon of unnecessarily trashing the guy - but that doesn't mean I think he can do no wrong. I actually thought a few of the times he called timeout last night was bad - rather than letting and making the team play through adversity he called timeout - and while some good came out of those timeouts - they were really worthless because the Heat really had no shot in this game - they blew their chances long before the refs or Spo did anything wrong.

Hopefully Hassan Whiteside applied some of the vaginal cream I recommended for some people in here so he can cure his wounds before next game. If he is going to handle things like such a pussy , he doesn't need to be here. That angry crap, not making himself available to the media crap after the game out of frustration is maybe something I would expect from Wade or even Gerald Green but Hassan has to think better. If the kid doesn't realize he is still a work in progress and he wouldn't be where he is out with not just his work ethic but this coaching staff and front office people - then he doesn't need to be here.


We don't need anymore guys in this organization who think they are bigger than the team or the game. Those days are over.

Here's the thing.
I try to comment/analyze/evaluate on both the players and coaches in a fair manner.

I have yet to ever once see you be critical of Spoelstra, and to go further, you feel the need to defend him every time someone points out something that possibly could have been done a bit differently.

 

[Andresrenee]

Id like to ask this question for the sake of debate - and I will ask it again along with some others on game day. You all talk like there is some perfect blueprint approach that Spo and the heat staff should follow as to how to coach the team, how to work the lineups, rotations etc - it seems no one takes note that every game and opponent is different. Note: I am all for the Heat playing to their strengths. And I do agree they should be able to dictate the flow of a game by playing to their strengths but sometimes things just don't go as planned. -- so I ask:


Whats the perfect game plan for the Heat? What is the perfect/ideal bench rotation/sub patterns the Heat should use? Who are the guys the Heat should/shouldnt play on a nightly basis? How many minutes should each guy get? What plays should be called for each guy? Who should be on the court? And when?

People in here talk as if they have the perfect plan as to how things should be done and it seems you swear it would guarantee wins -- so lets hear it? I want to hear what the road to perfection would look like for the Heat in your eyes?

OK. Here goes...for starters, I don't see Spolestra adjust much on offense. For example, if he was going to go small and play to their strengths, old Spolestra should have totally taken advantage and called plays for the Bosh over Dudlley mismatch by going to the post. Bosh played 5 for 4 years. No reason he could not against small ball rather than staying out on the peremeter. Spolestra should have called offensive plays for him in the post. Also, the same about McRoberts. Also, if Hassan struggles in the post, then practice dome damn plays in the post where he feeds others. Spolestra is offensively challenged and we did not get him an offensive coach.

 

[Andresrenee]

Saw an interesting stat posted by Tim Reynolds. Since 1983, teams that have shot 59% have a .930 winning percentage. Our Miami Heat in last night's loss were in that .07 losing percentage. Interesting....As Paolo would say, it is all about the players making their shots. LOL.

 

[Paolo305613]

I have yet to ever once see you be critical of Spoelstra, and to go further, you feel the need to defend him every time someone points out something that possibly could have been done a bit differently.

You either must not come in here often, or your reading comprehension is lacking. Or, like many others in here, just choose not to see things because they aren't exactly on par with your view. I pointed out earlier that I did not like it a few times when Spo called timeout in an attempt to stop the Wizards momentum rather they let the Heat just play through the adversity of the runs the Wiz were making. At some point these bunch of highly paid punks who get paid to play a fucking game have to man the fuck up and just play through shit in adverse situations.

I see no sense in complaining or being critical of how and when he uses his bench because thats already been established by him this season and previously - he has a way of doing it and he is going to do it as such whether people agree with it or not. The end result is really all that matters.

And, I know you and just about everyone else in here doesn't see it that way, but I don't see a point in being too critical of him because it all comes down to the guys on the court executing - no matter what 5-man combo is out there. Once the game starts, you can through all stats and predictions out the fucking window because you will never know exactly what situations present themselves in a game. I am not fond of being too critical of any coach/manager, etc of any of the teams I root for because at the end of the day - the game is decided between the lines on a field of play - not on a stat sheet - not court side between the coaches box.


You want more Spo criticism from me? Whenever we don't get "favorable" calls, or have one of our players getting into it with a ref - id like for him to instead take that initiative and make his points and get his moneys worth - rather than risk a player getting ejected. At the same time, in those situations id like for him to do a better job of trying to get the team past that stuff and get them to play throughout. Far too many times this team has gotten frustrated or individuals on the team have done so and its hurt the team as a whole. That can't happen and shouldn't anymore.

 

[Paolo305613]

OK. Here goes...for starters, I don't see Spolestra adjust much on offense. For example, if he was going to go small and play to their strengths, old Spolestra should have totally taken advantage and called plays for the Bosh over Dudlley mismatch by going to the post. Bosh played 5 for 4 years. No reason he could not against small ball rather than staying out on the peremeter. Spolestra should have called offensive plays for him in the post. Also, the same about McRoberts. Also, if Hassan struggles in the post, then practice dome damn plays in the post where he feeds others. Spolestra is offensively challenged and we did not get him an offensive coach.

That question was for some of the more reasonable minds on this board - or at least those who have shown they can be such every now and again. You are just a flat out idiot who shows it with every post - so just leave it alone.

old Spolestra should have totally taken advantage and called plays for the Bosh over Dudlley mismatch by going to the post.

There was an occasion I recall from last night where CB was matched with Dudley and he was calling for the bad - Spo along with the rest of the Heat staff on the sideline was trying to get the attention of whoever had the ball at the time( can't remember who) and the Heat were just passing the ball around doing nothing - making it look like the Wizards were actually playing defense - Once CB got the ball clock was running out and of course the quality of the shot wasn't what it needed to be.

Like it or not, this is again an issue of the guys on the court making the right decisions. Coaches can't baby players on every play throughout the course of a game.

I don't know if you realize this, but this is the NBA and not the NFL -- teams don't have coordinators, so I don't know why you keep beating this " offensive coach" crap. Granted, the assistants all have the assignment of coaching/teaching different aspects of the game - but there isn't a single team out there who have a coach sole for offensive play calling or defensive play calling. THIS IS THE NBA.

And, I don't know if you are aware of this, but defense first is the heat way and philosophy - thats what they play off.

 

[Paolo305613]

COACHING STAFF

• Head Coach
  • Erik Spoelstra
    (College - Portland)
• Assistant Head Coach
  • David Fizdale
    (College - San Diego)
• Assistant Coach
  • Juwan Howard
    (College - Michigan)
  • Keith Smart
    (College - Indiana)
• Assistant Coach for Player Development
  • Chris Quinn
    (College - Notre Dame)
• Strength-and-Conditioning Coach
  • Bill Foran
    (College - Central Michigan)
• Trainer
  • Jay Sabol
    (College - Florida International)
    
    Here is the Heat coaching staff courtesy of Heat.com
    
    I don't know about you, but I don't see a single coach on there with a specific title favoring offense or defense. This isn't football. You can look through the other 29 teams in the NBA its identical.

 

[Paolo305613]

NBA admits it erred on play that gave Wizards crucial 3-pointer vs. Heat

I guess this confirms what some people in here thought was the case? But, as I said before, it wouldn't and doesn't change the outcome of the game - so, move on. Life does go on

 

[Paolo305613]

 

[Flauge]

A lineup, is only " offensively challenged" as you call it, when the guys on the court aren't hitting their shots. Otherwise no one complains.

Richardson, McBob, and Winslow. 1.4, 3.5, and 6.3 ppg respectively on the season. That's the definition of offensively challenged. Winslow shoots the best from the field of them at 42%. Unless Winslow is dunking, his offensive game is not NBA level right now. He is out there for his defense. He is already the best defender on this team right now, and probably one of the better ones in the entire league. McBob is bad. Richardson is a marginal NBA player barely hanging on in the league. If we cut him, I am not sure he makes a roster anywhere. Certainly he would be on someones D-League team, but I don't know if anyone picks him up to their NBA roster. Those 3 played 4th quarter minutes. Hassan Whiteside played none. That's a problem. That's coaching. Hassan Whiteside should not be sitting in the 4th. If teams want to foul him. Leave him in. They go small.. make them pay. He will offensive rebound. He was 7-7 from the field last night and didn't play the 4th? Really?

But arguing that somehow when guys hit their shots they aren't offensively challenged is retarded. It is stupid. It provides nothing but shit and turds on this board. We all know when guys hit their shots they are playing well on offense. What exactly is your point? If your point is Richardson, McBob, and Winslow aren't offensively challenged in the NBA, you are blind. If your point is when guys hit shots then people don't complain, then thank you Captain Obvious. What amazing insight.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You either must not come in here often, or your reading comprehension is lacking. Or, like many others in here, just choose not to see things because they aren't exactly on par with your view. I pointed out earlier that I did not like it a few times when Spo called timeout in an attempt to stop the Wizards momentum rather they let the Heat just play through the adversity of the runs the Wiz were making. At some point these bunch of highly paid punks who get paid to play a fucking game have to man the fuck up and just play through shit in adverse situations.

I see no sense in complaining or being critical of how and when he uses his bench because thats already been established by him this season and previously - he has a way of doing it and he is going to do it as such whether people agree with it or not. The end result is really all that matters.

And, I know you and just about everyone else in here doesn't see it that way, but I don't see a point in being too critical of him because it all comes down to the guys on the court executing - no matter what 5-man combo is out there. Once the game starts, you can through all stats and predictions out the fucking window because you will never know exactly what situations present themselves in a game. I am not fond of being too critical of any coach/manager, etc of any of the teams I root for because at the end of the day - the game is decided between the lines on a field of play - not on a stat sheet - not court side between the coaches box.


You want more Spo criticism from me? Whenever we don't get "favorable" calls, or have one of our players getting into it with a ref - id like for him to instead take that initiative and make his points and get his moneys worth - rather than risk a player getting ejected. At the same time, in those situations id like for him to do a better job of trying to get the team past that stuff and get them to play throughout. Far too many times this team has gotten frustrated or individuals on the team have done so and its hurt the team as a whole. That can't happen and shouldn't anymore.

I readily admit I didn't read comments for the whole game.

Regardless, you are still defending any and every decision by saying 'it's up to the guys on the court'.

While in theory that is true, but to succeed you need to have the better group of players on the floor.

Our best chance IMO to have the better group was when we had the starting lineup out there, or at least the one that made up the deficit and gave us the lead.

 

[Paolo305613]

If your point is when guys hit shots then people don't complain, then thank you Captain Obvious. What amazing insight.

If that makes me captain obvious, so be it. I will proudly take it. I haven't look into other teams boards but I have a feeling this is the only board that gets so extremely butt hurt and over reacts over one loss.

 

[Paolo305613]

Regardless, you are still defending any and every decision by saying 'it's up to the guys on the court'.

Your reading comprehension is again greatly lacking. I am not defending anything or anyone for that matter. If I say its up to the guys on the court, it is because, well... it kinda IS up to them. They are the ones on the court - they are the ones with the ball in their hands and have the ability and power to get the ball through the basket.

Some of you must think your watching a video game when the Heat play and that Spo and the heat coaching staff is out there controlling their every move. thats not the case. Its a bunch of highly paid grown men playing a fucking game - they gotta figure some shit out on their own on the court at some point

Again, I am defending nothing , don't twist my words and make it into something its not simply because you don't agree with it. Thats as ignorant as one can get.

Our best chance IMO to have the better group was when we had the starting lineup out there, or at least the one that made up the deficit and gave us the lead.

Somewhat agree here. Our best lineup is our starting lineup - what it currently is, until Deng comes back. Thats why I have said the last couple of games - our best chance to winning games will depend on how well and efficient our starters are to take the load off of our bench who is often consistently inconsistent when it comes to production - But as often has been the case here, people complain about lack of bench production - yet cry and complain when we send our bench out there to get some minutes to try to get them going or cry and complain because some of our starters are playing too much and not getting a break.. so do you want our bench guys to get some minutes or not? certainly we have to bring someone off the bench to replace Wade every now and again, he is often too sensitive to be playing too many minutes out there and making sacrifices for the good of the game.