Matthew Stafford vs Peyton Manning in 79 Starts

[gandydancer]

There is Shane Falco. The 7th replacement pro bowler. He made it though, so...

 

[gandydancer]

Honestly it's a mixed bag for me on Stafford. You can clearly see he is talented yet highly inaccurate (which is maddening at times). That is why his record blows against winning teams. Because poor teams will keep giving him chances to win (which he is talented enough to do). However, good teams capitalize on mistakes (INT's and missed 3rd down throws).

Best post on this thread so far. I do not want to replace at all. I want him to develop more before year 12 gets here is all. I keep hearing he needs more time. How much time does it take? I do not care what Manning did in 79 games. He is not even the GOAT. I would like to know how he compares to Brady and Rogers in first 79? Then I still will not care really. I want Matt to be Matt and to be a better more developed Matt. Not that much to ask for a guy being paid like a proven winner.

The "good to see Suh gone" crowd say he did not produce enough for that kind of money. Yet stand and defend Matt on every level. He needs to perform better and justify his pay IMO.

 

[tpaulus_2]

You know what seems to get left out of these discussions on is-he-or-isn't-he elite? The fact that he just turned 27 a few months ago. Dude isn't even in his QB prime yet, has AT LEAST 10 quality years left, and, as the OP shows, compares very favorably to one of the all-time greats through the start of their respective careers...

 

[themuzzer]

How old is Russell Wilson? Heck that guy has been to two super bowls already.......Don't blink, Stafford will be 35 in no time.......

 

[tpaulus_2]

How old is Russell Wilson? Heck that guy has been to two super bowls already.......Don't blink, Stafford will be 35 in no time.......

That's a horrible comparison. Kellen Moore could have QB'd Seattle to those two Super Bowls for fucksake!

 

[TBBishop]

We can compare Stafford to Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson or anyone else you want to compare him to. His numbers will stack up to anyone. But he's not going to get respect until he leads this team at least on a couple of deep playoff runs. I'm not saying I agree with it but it's how he's going to be measured so none of this is really important.

 

[lionstop1]

We can compare Stafford to Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson or anyone else you want to compare him to. His numbers will stack up to anyone. But he's not going to get respect until he leads this team at least on a couple of deep playoff runs. I'm not saying I agree with it but it's how he's going to be measured so none of this is really important.

True.

 

[RobBase]

We can compare Stafford to Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Wilson or anyone else you want to compare him to. His numbers will stack up to anyone. But he's not going to get respect until he leads this team at least on a couple of deep playoff runs. I'm not saying I agree with it but it's how he's going to be measured so none of this is really important.

Yep. No one gets a rep as a pimp banging fat girls from the UP every weekend. You gotta tag some 9s and 10s every now and then if you want to be known as a true player, and not just a pig fucker.

 

[BUD]

Stats are one thing. But comparing the gunslinger to Peyton . I would rather go to 3 SB's and only win 1 than not even make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. I'm a little right now,but has Matty made it to the 2nd round yet? I'l have to google it

 

[BUD]

Nope....Stats mean nothing.. I'm a Lions fan 1st, Pats fan 2nd.. The kid needs to win a fucking playoff game before I would even consider him being worthy of being called a real good, not elite qb

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

Stats are one thing. But comparing the gunslinger to Peyton . I would rather go to 3 SB's and only win 1 than not even make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. I'm a little right now,but has Matty made it to the 2nd round yet? I'l have to google it

You do realize that Peyton went 1 and done in his first 3 playoff appearances. He didnt win his first playoff game until he was 27 years old...Matt Stafford is 27 years old.

 

[RobBase]

You do realize that Peyton went 1 and done in his first 3 playoff appearances. He didnt win his first playoff game until he was 27 years old...Matt Stafford is 27 years old.

What was the Colts record in those first 79 games? How many wins vs winning teams? Any division titles?

 

[gandydancer]

You do realize that Peyton went 1 and done in his first 3 playoff appearances. He didnt win his first playoff game until he was 27 years old...Matt Stafford is 27 years old.

Thanks for breaking the suspense of the next playoff game. No need to watch knowing they lose now.



Edit: just assuming Ed...

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

What was the Colts record in those first 79 games? How many wins vs winning teams? Any division titles?

Gheesh Rob, I have a life, I dont have time to look up stats all day for you. Oh wait, Ill just ignore my wife and kids.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

Thanks for breaking the suspense of the next playoff game. No need to watch knowing they lose now.



Edit: just assuming Ed...

LOL I know. Ive got good news and bad news. The good news is, in his 4th try he made it to the AFC championship. The bad news is we have to wait until he is 30 for that Superbowl. If Smitty doesnt fire him first.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

Nope....Stats mean nothing.. I'm a Lions fan 1st, Pats fan 2nd.. The kid needs to win a fucking playoff game before I would even consider him being worthy of being called a real good, not elite qb

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

 

[RobBase]

Gheesh Rob, I have a life, I dont have time to look up stats all day for you. Oh wait, Ill just ignore my wife and kids.

Obviously you have the time. Cough it up buddy. We're comparing Peyton to Stafford here, so let's compare wins, wins vs winning teams and division titles.

C'mon Ed, sell me on your theory.

 

[broncosmitty]

LOL I know. Ive got good news and bad news. The good news is, in his 4th try he made it to the AFC championship. The bad news is we have to wait until he is 30 for that Superbowl. If Smitty doesnt fire him first.

 

[RP-29]

He has a lot to live up to the Lions have a long list of excellence at the position can you really blame some of them for complaining

Kitna
Culpepper
Orlovsky
Stanton
Harrington
Garcia
Detmer
Batch
Frerrote
Mitchell
Kramer
Ware
Krieg
Peete
Gagliano

and thats just since i have been a fan I'm sure i forgot a few gems also

During that same timeframe...

Favre - 3 NFL MVPs and a Superbowl ring
Rodgers - 2 NFL MVPs and a Superbowl ring (and counting)



aaaaand...