Martin St. Louis-Ryan Callahan Swap Is Official

[element1286]

He's not a free agent till after next season.

Ah, my mistake. Either way, the long term of the franchise wasn't helped by this. St Louis may well be a guy that can play till 42 but I would never count on it.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Why does not making this particular trade automatically mean that you have to pay Callahan?

It was one or the other, he was either going to be signed or traded. Glad we went with the latter.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Irrelevant. There is no chance Callahan stays in Fla. He's heading home this summer and will be the Sabres Capt. next yr. Buffalo will give him everything he wants and they haven't denied it.

THANK YOU!!

Finally, somebody logical like me.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

:08PM: “End of the day, Rangers stood firm at $6 mil x 6 yrs. Callahan dropped to $6.25, but, NYR essentially ended negotiations on Tues.” [ame="http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/441274015307411456"](Darren Dreger) [/ame]
1:03PM: Callahan asked for EIGHT-YEARS and $7.5 million late in the summer, “should be marked as the starting point for his New York departure.” [ame="http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/441272627001167872"](Darren Dreger) [/ame]

Yeah, let's re-sign him :rollseyes:

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

@DarrenDreger


Martin St Louis is in the air en route to NYC. #Tradecentre

OH YEAH!!

 

[DragonfromTO]

It was one or the other, he was either going to be signed or traded. Glad we went with the latter.

Right but he could have been traded for something else. I don't have it in front of me, but wasn't that what was being suggested by the poster you were responding to? That they should have traded him for something that helps them in the longer term instead?

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Right but he could have been traded for something else. I don't have it in front of me, but wasn't that what was being suggested by the poster you were responding to? That they should have traded him for something that helps them in the longer term instead?

Nobody was giving up anything younger than him, that was the problem. He's 28-years old, a rental, looking for a humungous contract that he wasn't going to get. So, I am very pleased with a return of MSL, and how he's producing. The Rangers were never going to give him what he wanted. Same way Girardi came down from what he asked for and they paid him.

Callahan wasn't coming down, he was staying firm at 6.5M, despite offering 6.3M a year. Rangers never wanted to go [email protected] a year.

 

[bt08]

like this move allot for NYR...MSL is big time and will help the O big time. Callys was a gamer but not worth what he was asking

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

like this move allot for NYR...MSL is big time and will help the O big time. Callys was a gamer but not worth what he was asking

Thank you, glad somebody else gets it!

 

[DragonfromTO]

Thank you, glad somebody else gets it!

Nobody is saying that this deal doesn't make the Rangers better right now. They're just questioning whether the overall cost was worth it for a move that probably still doesn't really make them a serious Stanley Cup contender.

 

[David_son]

Nobody is saying that this deal doesn't make the Rangers better right now. They're just questioning whether the overall cost was worth it for a move that probably still doesn't really make them a serious Stanley Cup contender.

This unless some how MSL brings the GPG up by about two and can make the defense better we arent a serious cup contender

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Nobody is saying that this deal doesn't make the Rangers better right now. They're just questioning whether the overall cost was worth it for a move that probably still doesn't really make them a serious Stanley Cup contender.

Have you not read the posts, yes some users have..

 

[Vadered]

Johnny, you are acting like there are two options: sign or trade. There are, in fact, three options: sign, trade, or give him up in free agency. And honestly, might have been better to let Cally walk than it would be to give up him and two decent picks for a year and a month of St. Louis.

Don't get me wrong, I love St. Louis, but he's old. Could he still be playing in three years? Sure. But I wouldn't bet much on it AND on the Rangers re-signing him. Only way I see this trade work out for the Rangers is if they win the Cup (unlikely) or if they flip St. Louis again next year for something decent. But if St. Louis comes out flat next year and loses tons of value, they lost this one badly. Not a fan of the risk they are taking on this one.

That said, glad this trade was made AFTER we played the Rangers last week.

 

[stammer78]

Johnnydollaz89 I saw this trade go down and immediately thought back to our conversation during the Rangers/Bruins game. LOL

 

[brandonk989]

From a Lightning fan's perspective:

Extremely thankful for what Marty has done for our club for years and years and years. But to turn into a selfish child and turn on your teammates WHO VOTED YOU CAPTAIN after Lecavalier left is down right ridiculous. Yzerman did the right thing. He turned a 38 year old cry baby into a guy who can help the Lightning down the stretch this year and a couple very high draft picks. Give the C to Stamkos and continue building around a star that wants to be in Tampa and won't bitch and moan when the boss makes a decision he doesn't like.

 

[NullDefault]

From a Lightning fan's perspective:

Extremely thankful for what Marty has done for our club for years and years and years. But to turn into a selfish child and turn on your teammates WHO VOTED YOU CAPTAIN after Lecavalier left is down right ridiculous. Yzerman did the right thing. He turned a 38 year old cry baby into a guy who can help the Lightning down the stretch this year and a couple very high draft picks. Give the C to Stamkos and continue building around a star that wants to be in Tampa and won't bitch and moan when the boss makes a decision he doesn't like.

I've been thinking about this trade for quite a while today. On its face it seems like a win for the bolts. When you dig deeper into it, though, I think a bigger picture emerges. To me, this is one of those watershed moments for the TB franchise. It's the final piece to leave signifying the end of an era in their history. No matter the specifics of the deal it carries a very negative connotation on MSL's character due to the lingering questions of just what went wrong here?

Is it really as simple as feeling slighted by your GM for not picking you for the Olympics roster in what might end up being the last year that NHL stars will represent their home countries in competition? Maybe, or maybe there's even more going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to. I don't want to demonize anyone without getting all the facts.

MSL has been a great representative of the sport and this franchise his entire career and I don't think that ends with a simple Olympics snub. Moreover, as captain of the team I would imagine there would have to be a fairly significant issue at play here for him to leave fellow friends, players, and fans alike. There's more to this story than what has been revealed and I imagine in the coming years as this info comes to light, some of us will be troubled by the revelations it holds.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Have you not read the posts, yes some users have..

I have not seen a single post saying that Callahan brings more to the table than St. Louis. I'm not saying that they don't exist, but I'd like to be pointed in their direction.

 

[Loneranger]

Nobody is saying that this deal doesn't make the Rangers better right now. They're just questioning whether the overall cost was worth it for a move that probably still doesn't really make them a serious Stanley Cup contender.

this is my beef. So the Rangers are a bit better right now but look at the draft picks they threw away on a guy who's on his last legs. I don't give a fuck what anyone says at STL - he's 38 yrs old and in the NHL. He doesn't have much left. Then again these are the same Rangers who thought Hugh Jessiman was gonna be a big time NHL player so maybe losing the draft picks isn't such a big deal. Either way I'm just plain pissed off. Cally is sending his clothes etc to Buffalo , not Fla. He'll be a Sabre in early July with all the money he's asking for and he'll be the capt. Good for him and bad for my Rangers.

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

Johnnydollaz89 I saw this trade go down and immediately thought back to our conversation during the Rangers/Bruins game. LOL

Haha definitely mentioned it multiple times!

Johnny, you are acting like there are two options: sign or trade. There are, in fact, three options: sign, trade, or give him up in free agency. And honestly, might have been better to let Cally walk than it would be to give up him and two decent picks for a year and a month of St. Louis.

Don't get me wrong, I love St. Louis, but he's old. Could he still be playing in three years? Sure. But I wouldn't bet much on it AND on the Rangers re-signing him. Only way I see this trade work out for the Rangers is if they win the Cup (unlikely) or if they flip St. Louis again next year for something decent. But if St. Louis comes out flat next year and loses tons of value, they lost this one badly. Not a fan of the risk they are taking on this one.

That said, glad this trade was made AFTER we played the Rangers last week.

Sather wasn't going to let him walk for nothing. That's not him M.O. So yeah he might have reached a bit giving up two picks with Cally to get him here. Marty wanted to be here, Sather was licking his chops at the thought of it.

 

[forty_three]

I've been thinking about this trade for quite a while today. On its face it seems like a win for the bolts. When you dig deeper into it, though, I think a bigger picture emerges. To me, this is one of those watershed moments for the TB franchise. It's the final piece to leave signifying the end of an era in their history. No matter the specifics of the deal it carries a very negative connotation on MSL's character due to the lingering questions of just what went wrong here?

Is it really as simple as feeling slighted by your GM for not picking you for the Olympics roster in what might end up being the last year that NHL stars will represent their home countries in competition? Maybe, or maybe there's even more going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to. I don't want to demonize anyone without getting all the facts.

MSL has been a great representative of the sport and this franchise his entire career and I don't think that ends with a simple Olympics snub. Moreover, as captain of the team I would imagine there would have to be a fairly significant issue at play here for him to leave fellow friends, players, and fans alike. There's more to this story than what has been revealed and I imagine in the coming years as this info comes to light, some of us will be troubled by the revelations it holds.

After seeing Stevie's statement and Marty's comments before getting on the plane, it is pretty clear there is something more than the Olympic thing happening. Part of me wants to know and part of me hopes I never hear. Because at some point, one of these two guys that I respect tremendously is going to look like a total asshole.

At least for now, they both have the decency to not dredge it up.



Also, I have to give Sather a lot of respect here too. It wasn't the money so much as it was the NTC Cally wanted. I hate NTCs and it's nice to see a GM stand up to a player wanting one.

Teams should have an NTC cap of two.