Marlins Trade

[calsnowskier]

Everyone seems to agree that we will be the winners in the Nolasco sweepstakes. Most rumors (possibly nothing more than message board BS and beat-writer spit-balling) having it costing something like Hembree, Kickham and Brown (for the record, I think that is to steep).

However, I read on another site that Baggs has been talking about trying to get Stanton in the deal as well.

I am of the belief that we do not have enough non-MLB key pieces that Miami would be interested in to get that done. The only value on the 25 that I see as being avail to any extent would be Panda, and Miami would not be interested in him as a key piece of this deal.

Lets brainstorm here and try to make a deal that MIGHT work for both parties.

Brown
Hembree
Kickham
Crick (he would HAVE to be involved in this type of deal, I think)
Villalona (not sure he would add enough value in Miami's eyes to include, though)
Blackburn

I still do not think that gets it done.

 

[Heathbar012]

Everyone seems to agree that we will be the winners in the Nolasco sweepstakes. Most rumors (possibly nothing more than message board BS and beat-writer spit-balling) having it costing something like Hembree, Kickham and Brown (for the record, I think that is to steep).

However, I read on another site that Baggs has been talking about trying to get Stanton in the deal as well.

I am of the belief that we do not have enough non-MLB key pieces that Miami would be interested in to get that done. The only value on the 25 that I see as being avail to any extent would be Panda, and Miami would not be interested in him as a key piece of this deal.

Lets brainstorm here and try to make a deal that MIGHT work for both parties.

Brown
Hembree
Kickham
Crick (he would HAVE to be involved in this type of deal, I think)
Villalona (not sure he would add enough value in Miami's eyes to include, though)
Blackburn

I still do not think that gets it done.

Can they trade picks in the MLB yet? Seriously, though, they're going to want at least one proven MLBer if Stanton is included. After the most recent series, the Marlins' FO might deem that the Giants don't have many expendable guys like that. They would benefit from some solid middle relievers, and though, recently, it has seemed that we are short on quality there, it has been a strength of the franchise for some time. Add Casilla? Too much? Not enough? These are uncharted waters.

 

[calsnowskier]

Only the competitive balance comp picks can be traded. We obviously don't have any of those.

As for MLB talent, the only guy we have that would be available that would have any value is Panda, and he is not enough. He is not locked up long enough to interest the Fish. MAYBE Belt?

 

[Heathbar012]

Only the competitive balance comp picks can be traded. We obviously don't have any of those.

As for MLB talent, the only guy we have that would be available that would have any value is Panda, and he is not enough. He is not locked up long enough to interest the Fish. MAYBE Belt?

Belt, Casilla and the farm is definitely a better deal than Panda and the prospects. Maybe we throw in Torres and they throw in LoMo?

 

[calsnowskier]

Belt, Casilla and the farm is definitely a better deal than Panda and the prospects. Maybe we throw in Torres and they throw in LoMo?

Uh oh, here we go...

 

[Heathbar012]

Uh oh, here we go...

I only typed that because I get the feeling that few organizations want to deal with an all-mouth, few brains, busted-knee Logan Morrison, but if we lose Belt, we'd need a first baseman.

 

[SFGRTB]

Everyone seems to agree that we will be the winners in the Nolasco sweepstakes. Most rumors (possibly nothing more than message board BS and beat-writer spit-balling) having it costing something like Hembree, Kickham and Brown (for the record, I think that is to steep).

However, I read on another site that Baggs has been talking about trying to get Stanton in the deal as well.

I am of the belief that we do not have enough non-MLB key pieces that Miami would be interested in to get that done. The only value on the 25 that I see as being avail to any extent would be Panda, and Miami would not be interested in him as a key piece of this deal.

Lets brainstorm here and try to make a deal that MIGHT work for both parties.
Brown
Hembree
Kickham
Crick (he would HAVE to be involved in this type of deal, I think)
Villalona (not sure he would add enough value in Miami's eyes to include, though)
Blackburn

I still do not think that gets it done.

I think they'd look at Panik as a big part, they have NO ONE at the 2B/SS positions. They'd probably look at some higher level arms as well.

I think something we have going for us is the success of Wheeler. It shows us that the FO is willing to give up guys who they still think will have success. Most of the past prospects we have traded have fizzled out, which makes teams think that the Giants know something that they don't. With Wheeler, he's showing that he can rise quickly and still has a live arm.

Anyway, I'm thinking:

Panik
Brown
Hembree
Hector Sanchez
Kickham
Crick

for

Nolasco
Stanton
Qualls

That would be a crazy trade.

 

[Stokes1931]

I think they'd look at Panik as a big part, they have NO ONE at the 2B/SS positions. They'd probably look at some higher level arms as well.

I think something we have going for us is the success of Wheeler. It shows us that the FO is willing to give up guys who they still think will have success. Most of the past prospects we have traded have fizzled out, which makes teams think that the Giants know something that they don't. With Wheeler, he's showing that he can rise quickly and still has a live arm.

Anyway, I'm thinking:

Panik
Brown
Hembree
Hector Sanchez
Kickham
Crick

for

Nolasco
Stanton
Qualls

That would be a crazy trade.

That empties the farm system, and is not worth it. GS is a RHH RF, and we already have one of those. If we do try a package deal, why not move Pence and also pay for the rest of his salary for the year? Stanton is cheaper, younger, and has more upside. I like Pence in the clubhouse, but I'd sooner move him than getting rid of most of our minor league talent.

Panik
Pence
Brown
Pick two: Hembree, Runzler, Kickham, or a low A guy.

Forget Qualls.

I'd sooner go after Norris, who is younger, and a better pitcher. Sure, Nolasco pitches well in SF, but he would no longer be facing a Giants' lineup.

 

[SFGRTB]

That empties the farm system, and is not worth it. GS is a RHH RF, and we already have one of those. If we do try a package deal, why not move Pence and also pay for the rest of his salary for the year? Stanton is cheaper, younger, and has more upside. I like Pence in the clubhouse, but I'd sooner move him than getting rid of most of our minor league talent.

Panik
Pence
Brown
Pick two: Hembree, Runzler, Kickham, or a low A guy.

Forget Qualls.

I'd sooner go after Norris, who is younger, and a better pitcher. Sure, Nolasco pitches well in SF, but he would no longer be facing a Giants' lineup.

Panik is blocked by Scoots and Craw and now may be replaced by Arroyo. Hembree would be a loss but there are bullpen arms to be picked up off the scrap heave, and some guys in the lower minors and in this draft could replace him. Kickham could be replaced by Surkamp. Hector Sanchez could be replaced by Jhonny Monell. Brown would be a loss, but replaced with Stanton. Crick would be a loss, but replaced with Nolasco.

Pence isn't going to be traded, Giants have a lot invested in him on and off the field, and he has no value with the Fish. They'd rather keep Stanton. That's just my

 

[calsnowskier]

Panik is blocked by Scoots and Craw and now may be replaced by Arroyo. Hembree would be a loss but there are bullpen arms to be picked up off the scrap heave, and some guys in the lower minors and in this draft could replace him. Kickham could be replaced by Surkamp. Hector Sanchez could be replaced by Jhonny Monell. Brown would be a loss, but replaced with Stanton. Crick would be a loss, but replaced with Nolasco.

Pence isn't going to be traded, Giants have a lot invested in him on and off the field, and he has no value with the Fish. They'd rather keep Stanton. That's just my

That is really all that needs to be said. The Fish need prospects. Not expiring contracts.

If they would take Stokes' deal, I would jump on it. Prob is, they are not going to trade Nolasco AND Stanton for 1 fringe A prospect and 3 B prospects.

 

[tzill]

Panik is blocked by Scoots and Craw and now may be replaced by Arroyo. Hembree would be a loss but there are bullpen arms to be picked up off the scrap heave, and some guys in the lower minors and in this draft could replace him. Kickham could be replaced by Surkamp. Hector Sanchez could be replaced by Jhonny Monell. Brown would be a loss, but replaced with Stanton. Crick would be a loss, but replaced with Nolasco.

Pence isn't going to be traded, Giants have a lot invested in him on and off the field, and he has no value with the Fish. They'd rather keep Stanton. That's just my

1. Panik isn't blocked by Scoots. If he's ready, he'll be up and backing up 2b and SS before taking over 2b from Marco.
2. What the hell is a 'scrap heave?'
3. Kamp may never make it back to the bigs
4. Chez3 would be replaced by the Susser.
5. Nolasco is nothing but average; I'd rather have Crick.

I don't see the Fish trading Stanton to us.

 

[SFGRTB]

1. Panik isn't blocked by Scoots. If he's ready, he'll be up and backing up 2b and SS before taking over 2b from Marco.
2. What the hell is a 'scrap heave?'
3. Kamp may never make it back to the bigs
4. Chez3 would be replaced by the Susser.
5. Nolasco is nothing but average; I'd rather have Crick.

I don't see the Fish trading Stanton to us.

1. I disagree, they wouldn't start up Panik's clock just to do something Noonan can. They will bring up Panik when he is ready to start.
2. Dumpster dive, the Santiago Casilla's, Chad Gaudin's etc.
3. This is very true, but he is on his way rehabbing just fine in San Jose as we speak.
4. I was assuming Susac would replace Posey when he moves to 1st/3rd. Monell would replace Chez as the backup C.
5. I'd rather have Stanton, and that's what he will cost, Crick. Stratton/Agosta/Blackburn/Escobar/Mejia/Blach etc. give me enough confidence to part with Crick.

 

[tzill]

1. I disagree, they wouldn't start up Panik's clock just to do something Noonan can. They will bring up Panik when he is ready to start.
2. Dumpster dive, the Santiago Casilla's, Chad Gaudin's etc.
3. This is very true, but he is on his way rehabbing just fine in San Jose as we speak.
4. I was assuming Susac would replace Posey when he moves to 1st/3rd. Monell would replace Chez as the backup C.
5. I'd rather have Stanton, and that's what he will cost, Crick. Stratton/Agosta/Blackburn/Escobar/Mejia/Blach etc. give me enough confidence to part with Crick.

1. I'm not saying Panik will be up before September, but when he does come up (probably next year) he will work his way in and not be handed the starters job.
2. You meant "scrap HEAP."
3. I'm hopeful, but I wouldn't bet on him being ML ready this year.
4. I approve of this.
5. THEY AREN'T GOING TO DEAL STANTON TO THE GIANTS. Not unless we are willing to part with Bum, or Crawford/Belt. They are uninterested in our prospects for him, other orgs can offer much more.

 

[SFGRTB]

1. I'm not saying Panik will be up before September, but when he does come up (probably next year) he will work his way in and not be handed the starters job.
2. You meant "scrap HEAP."
3. I'm hopeful, but I wouldn't bet on him being ML ready this year.
4. I approve of this.
5. THEY AREN'T GOING TO DEAL STANTON TO THE GIANTS. Not unless we are willing to part with Bum, or Crawford/Belt. They are uninterested in our prospects for him, other orgs can offer much more.

(This is numbering thing is getting old :rollseyes

1. I'm thinking Panik comes up September of next year, then takes over for Scoots in 2015 when Scoots becomes a part-time player, obviously barring injuries.
2.
3. With the acquisition of Nolasco, Gaudin moves back to the Pen and becomes the emergency starter role that Kickham serves at now, allowing Surkamp all season and offseason to return. Assuming Volgy returns after the ASB, which sounds promising.
4.
5. I doubt they want Belt, they have LoMo and if they want Crawford/Bum, that ain't gonna happen so I'd then agree with you.

For the record, I don't necessarily think that the Marlins have any interest in trading Stanton to the G's. I was just answering the OP's question of: "try to make a deal that MIGHT work for both parties". Crawford and Bum would not work for the G's. IMO that deal MIGHT be a good starting place.

 

[tzill]

(This is numbering thing is getting old :rollseyes

1. I'm thinking Panik comes up September of next year, then takes over for Scoots in 2015 when Scoots becomes a part-time player, obviously barring injuries.
2.
3. With the acquisition of Nolasco, Gaudin moves back to the Pen and becomes the emergency starter role that Kickham serves at now, allowing Surkamp all season and offseason to return. Assuming Volgy returns after the ASB, which sounds promising.
4.
5. I doubt they want Belt, they have LoMo and if they want Crawford/Bum, that ain't gonna happen so I'd then agree with you.

For the record, I don't necessarily think that the Marlins have any interest in trading Stanton to the G's. I was just answering the OP's question of: "try to make a deal that MIGHT work for both parties". Crawford and Bum would not work for the G's. IMO that deal MIGHT be a good starting place.

Understood. The OP question is kind of nutty...IF the fish were going to deal Stanton, they'd get a lot more than what the Giants can offer. And I seriously doubt they'd be dealing him at all.

And Nolasco has mediocrity written all over him. I'd rather see what Kick/Lively/Heston/Bonser have.

 

[calsnowskier]

For the record, and I believe I made it clear in my OP, I do not think we have the pieces that Miami would want for GS either. I was just expanding on what Baggs was throwing around today.

 

[Heathbar012]

1. This is a fun exercise.
2. I agree that the Marlins won't trade the only proven centerpiece of a franchise that they have.
3. Nolasco is mediocre, which is why if the trade is just for him, they might be able to grab him for Villalona, or a slightly stronger prospect (with less prior jail time).
4. All of this has made me more willing to see Crick+ shipped out for Norris. EDIT: Any interest in getting J.D. Martinez thrown into the deal somehow?
5. I kind of like the numbering thing.

 

[SFAnthem]

1. Lettering is underrated

b. im not too impressed with what Nolasco brings. I want difference makers and the bullpen is the easiest/cheapest to upgrade while improving the overall team; Bochy is running with his starters longer than usual because injuries and ineffectiveness has depleted the bullpen.

3. If we had to make a big splash, as a fan im okay with it. I had no problem with the Beltran trade and would be willing to accept a similar deal (Im assuming Crick is the closest thing to a Wheeler we have now?) because playoff runs like this build up the health of the franchise more than the potential of one (or more) player(s).

 

[SFAnthem]

An intriguing name to consider when he comes back from rib injury is Jake Peavy

 

[calsnowskier]

Fitz and Brooks are talking about White-Flag Trade II

Peavey
Rios

4

A bag of balls

Makes sense, but it is a lot of salary. Both are making 14M this year...