Series Thread: Mariners @ Twins 4/5, 4/7, 4/8

[NWinAZ]

 

[NWinAZ]

I guess I'm overvaluing Heredia. I think he has the raw talent to be an everyday starter for the Mariners.

For the Mariners? Probably. Is he an everyday talent? Maybe, with a lot of work with his swing. He over-swings, pulls everything, and can't bunt to save his life. I like the kid because of his high energy, but at some point production has to play a part.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

For the Mariners? Probably. Is he an everyday talent? Maybe, with a lot of work with his swing. He over-swings, pulls everything, and can't bunt to save his life. I like the kid because of his high energy, but at some point production has to play a part.

Because he knows the shortest porch is down the left field line. he tries way too hard to hit for power and pull the ball. Someone in the organization ( player wise ) has got him thinking a big paycheck may be down the road if he can become a HR hitter also.

And that philosophy is going to be his undoing. he needs to keep his weight back and plant his front leg and drive the ball all over the ballpark ( similar to Segura ) That is his ticket to being an everyday player possibly.

lunging at the pitch and having all his weight on his front foot just looks really out of whack when he swings.

 

[unlvmariners]

Because he knows the shortest porch is down the left field line. he tries way too hard to hit for power and pull the ball. Someone in the organization ( player wise ) has got him thinking a big paycheck may be down the road if he can become a HR hitter also.

And that philosophy is going to be his undoing. he needs to keep his weight back and plant his front leg and drive the ball all over the ballpark ( similar to Segura ) That is his ticket to being an everyday player possibly.

lunging at the pitch and having all his weight on his front foot just looks really out of whack when he swings.

I agree with that! He has baseball talent and skill I just don't think he is using it appropriately or at least in the most efficient way at the plate.

 

[NWinAZ]

Because he knows the shortest porch is down the left field line. he tries way too hard to hit for power and pull the ball. Someone in the organization ( player wise ) has got him thinking a big paycheck may be down the road if he can become a HR hitter also.

And that philosophy is going to be his undoing. he needs to keep his weight back and plant his front leg and drive the ball all over the ballpark ( similar to Segura ) That is his ticket to being an everyday player possibly.

lunging at the pitch and having all his weight on his front foot just looks really out of whack when he swings.

Hard to say because I never watched him prior to the M's. Did he swing that way in Cuba as well? Either case, a good hitting coach (and Edgar is one) should have grabbed him a few years back and explained that he will never be a home run threat at the majors. Even if he hits 15, that is nothing for an MLB outfielder so he might as well level off his swing, stay on balance, and become a 30+ doubles hitter.

 

[wazzu31]

For the Mariners? Probably. Is he an everyday talent? Maybe, with a lot of work with his swing. He over-swings, pulls everything, and can't bunt to save his life. I like the kid because of his high energy, but at some point production has to play a part.

True, but he hasn't exactly been given a chance to produce. I'm not saying he is a superstar, but IMO he should be playing everyday in the minors. He hasn't been given a chance in the bigs to prove he is just a defensive replacement.

 

[NWinAZ]

True, but he hasn't exactly been given a chance to produce. I'm not saying he is a superstar, but IMO he should be playing everyday in the minors. He hasn't been given a chance in the bigs to prove he is just a defensive replacement.

In most cases I would agree with you, but if you have a guy who I just a total hacker at the plate more reps are not going to help him. If you are saying send him to the minors to change his swing, then I would buy that but sending him down just to do what he does won't matter. I would love to see him change his stroke in the early off season and then go to some winter league and use it in action.

 

[unlvmariners]

In most cases I would agree with you, but if you have a guy who I just a total hacker at the plate more reps are not going to help him. If you are saying send him to the minors to change his swing, then I would buy that but sending him down just to do what he does won't matter. I would love to see him change his stroke in the early off season and then go to some winter league and use it in action.

That is exactly what I would want him to do... I don't think changing things mid season is a great idea, most of the time, plus I don't think the anyone is telling him to do so. Don't get me wrong I think there is a time and a place for a mid season change, is your 4th or 5th outfielder the right guy for it, idk each situation should be evaluated individually. Thing is I think he has a lot of "skill" as far as baseball goes, but I also think he has fallen a bit behind because I think the M's rushed him by about 1 season. So he is playing catch up on the fly with a swing that he should've changed a long time ago.

 

[NWinAZ]

From Wiki (Ya I know)

Heredia played for the Cuba national baseball team at the 2013 World Baseball Classic.[1] He played for Matanzas in the Cuban National Series since 2009. He defected from Cuba in January 2015, to pursue a contract with a Major League Baseball team.

On February 23, 2016, the Seattle Mariners signed outfielder Guillermo Heredia to a 1-year major league contract for $500,000.[3] He made his major league debut on July 29, 2016.[4] He spent most of his time on the Mariners in 2016 as a late-innings defensive replacement. He played in the Arizona Fall League to work on making his swing more compact before the start of the 2017 season.

 

[NWinAZ]

Article on Heredia who talks about his issues as a starter vs as a solid 4th OF:

Projecting the 2018 Seattle Mariners: Guillermo Heredia

 

[seahawksfan234]

yeah...... maybe i was a bit rash and over the edge right there
it is frustrating though

Indeed frustrating, but he has objectively hit better with runners in scoring position. I found it quite surprising, but facts are facts.

 

[Duders]

Indeed frustrating, but he has objectively hit better with runners in scoring position. I found it quite surprising, but facts are facts.

Yeah, it's frustrating all right....no doubt. Seag is certainly not the only one leaving guys on the bags. The M's, in the last 2 games have left 21 runners on the base paths. TWENTY ONE!! They has the same problem last year leaving guys on the bases. It's a Mariners thing.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

Yeah, it's frustrating all right....no doubt. Seag is certainly not the only one leaving guys on the bags. The M's, in the last 2 games have left 21 runners on the base paths. TWENTY ONE!! They has the same problem last year leaving guys on the bases. It's a Mariners thing.

I have watched alot of Mariners games over the past few years ... and I cannot recall 1 single time we have attempted either a safety squeeze bunt or suicide squeeze bunt play to score a critical runner from 3rd in a 'game on the line situation'

I see other ball clubs use this quite effective tactic regularly thru the course of the season. Not sure why the Mariners think it is not effective unless they have zero confidence in their entire teams bunting skills. Its a great play with runners on 2nd and 3rd and nobody out as the runner will always advance to 3rd and if the squeeze play fails you have 1 out and a guy at 3rd ( still a good situation )

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Todays game day related:

I got a bad feeling todays game. The pitcher we are facing today Borrias sp? had a career game last start blanking the Orioles just last week and took a 1 hitter into the 9th inning.

If he shuts down the top of our line up ... we will be lucky to score a run or 2 this game. As everyone knows how lame the bottom half of our line up has been all year.

My prediction... pitchers duel and we lose 4-2

 

[Duders]

I have watched alot of Mariners games over the past few years ... and I cannot recall 1 single time we have attempted either a safety squeeze bunt or suicide squeeze bunt play to score a critical runner from 3rd in a 'game on the line situation'

I see other ball clubs use this quite effective tactic regularly thru the course of the season. Not sure why the Mariners think it is not effective unless they have zero confidence in their entire teams bunting skills. Its a great play with runners on 2nd and 3rd and nobody out as the runner will always advance to 3rd and if the squeeze play fails you have 1 out and a guy at 3rd ( still a good situation )

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Todays game day related:

I got a bad feeling todays game. The pitcher we are facing today Borrias sp? had a career game last start blanking the Orioles just last week and took a 1 hitter into the 9th inning.

If he shuts down the top of our line up ... we will be lucky to score a run or 2 this game. As everyone knows how lame the bottom half of our line up has been all year.

My prediction... pitchers duel and we lose 4-2

I'm sure the fact the M's do not "try" a squeeze play does not come as any surprise to you. What I can't figure out is the M's have gone through several skippers who have not attempted any of that "cool" stuff. The last time I can remember any attempts was when sweet Lou was leading the show, but probably someone has tried it that I don't remember.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

I do not like todays line up

Should have Vogelbach batting 5th and starting at 1b ( send a message to Seager to start fucking hitting )
Bench Healy and Ichiro
start Heredia in left and Motter as DH

can also flip Motter and Dan V as Motter can play 1b and Vogelbach stays DH

Got to do something to give some more pop to a line up thats struggling bottom 1/2

I do not know how to post the line up image

Gordon
Segura
Cano
Haniger
Seager
Vogelbach DH
Healy
Suzuki
Marjama

 

[Duders]

What's up with our offense? Just tuned in and see nothing from the M's? Looks like Leake must have had a little rough 1st inning as I see he's over 30 pitches already in B of the 2nd. Need to get the O going and Leake needs relax a bit but keep throwing strikes.

 

[Duders]

Nice pick off Leake. Makes up for the walk.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Is Dave Sims remotely capable of going more than one inning without talking about the fact that it's like 30 degrees over there? He acts like it's the most extreme weather a sporting event has ever been played in, my god.

 

[Duders]

Is Dave Sims remotely capable of going more than one inning without talking about the fact that it's like 30 degrees over there? He acts like it's the most extreme weather a sporting event has ever been played in, my god.

No offense to any Dave Sims fans, but ya know.....he's got to talk about something.

 

[Duders]

Unfortunately, that was a great play by Berrios.