Mariners Minors

[wazzu31]

I am starting to feel that prospects from Latin countries that we sign from the international free agent pool are the better bet. I will say this and feel free to attack me. The sport of baseball in America is not really a path for people in humble situations. If you are an American College or HS player you most likely are in a good situation at home. These players from Latin countries from poor settings are doing any and everything to try and make it to the league and get paid especially for hitters. If you look at the top 10 in every hitting category at least half of the listed players are foreign born. Of all the young talented hitter prospects we had the one that truly made it was Julio Rodriguez.

True, it’s the problem with predatory practices of youth athletics and something John Smoltz has been warning about for a decade. You can’t turn youth baseball into basically tennis while urban areas pave over sandlots

But on that same note that is also the problem of MLB. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars in academics in other countries, yet don’t do squat for little leagues. When I was a kid the Mariners built complexes that now have the two best little leagues in the state. Baseball is better when they invest and right now that is in Latin America and Asia.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[wazzu31]

Still can’t believe Arroyo isn’t getting love.

 

[NWinAZ]

Still can’t believe Arroyo isn’t getting love.

lol I was waiting for your reply on that. And you are right.

 

[wazzu31]

lol I was waiting for your reply on that. And you are right.

I know I’m a homer on the guy, and maybe he will flame out. But it just boggles my mind cause what does the dude have to do. Emerson being one is totally fair and I won’t dispute that, but he is basically at the same level as Ford and Young, is at the exact same level as Montes and is ahead of Celesten but his production dwarfs all of them. I know it’s a stupid list but it is just confusing

 

[seattlefan75]

The top 100 list is overrated and sometimes I think it's better to not even have it because more often than not most of these prospects even at the top end of the list do not pan out. Kelenic was a top 5 prospect on the list, Bryce Miller was 98 at most and I do not believe Bryan Woo was ever a top 100. Each organization is better off just focusing on their own top 20 or 30 and not mix and match around the league. I do believe how you were acquired in the league you get preference. if you are a 1st round pick you will have a good shot in getting into the top 100 before you even start playing and if you play well at Mod or A level you start to shoot up the rankings.

I know people are hot on Colt Emerson but personally I am not impressed with his sample size in A and A+ granted he is still young but to rate him #27 in the top 100 I do not understand. If we really think about it, how can we really compare prospects when they all play in different leagues. If I am Cole Young or Harry Ford I would ask the question how is Colt rated higher than us when we play in a harder league and our A+ stats were better than his?

 

[NWinAZ]

The top 100 list is overrated and sometimes I think it's better to not even have it because more often than not most of these prospects even at the top end of the list do not pan out. Kelenic was a top 5 prospect on the list, Bryce Miller was 98 at most and I do not believe Bryan Woo was ever a top 100. Each organization is better off just focusing on their own top 20 or 30 and not mix and match around the league. I do believe how you were acquired in the league you get preference. if you are a 1st round pick you will have a good shot in getting into the top 100 before you even start playing and if you play well at Mod or A level you start to shoot up the rankings.

I know people are hot on Colt Emerson but personally I am not impressed with his sample size in A and A+ granted he is still young but to rate him #27 in the top 100 I do not understand. If we really think about it, how can we really compare prospects when they all play in different leagues. If I am Cole Young or Harry Ford I would ask the question how is Colt rated higher than us when we play in a harder league and our A+ stats were better than his?

I follow these lists for the same reason I follow the Mariners offseasons. They are both meaningless and rarely does something ever come from either.

 

[NWinAZ]

Mariners prospect RHP Ty Cummings named as PTBNL in Randy Arozarena trade

The Mariners announced today the completion of the Randy Arozarena trade to Tampa Bay; in addition to OF Aidan Smith and RHP Brody Hopkins, the Mar...

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[NWinAZ]

Seattle Mariners Top Prospect Wows in Arizona Fall League on Tuesday

Seattle Mariners top prospect Colt Emerson wowed on Tuesday during a game in the Arizona Fall League. You can see the play below, courtesy of @MILBMariners on social media.

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[NWinAZ]

 

[wazzu31]

The top 100 list is overrated and sometimes I think it's better to not even have it because more often than not most of these prospects even at the top end of the list do not pan out. Kelenic was a top 5 prospect on the list, Bryce Miller was 98 at most and I do not believe Bryan Woo was ever a top 100. Each organization is better off just focusing on their own top 20 or 30 and not mix and match around the league. I do believe how you were acquired in the league you get preference. if you are a 1st round pick you will have a good shot in getting into the top 100 before you even start playing and if you play well at Mod or A level you start to shoot up the rankings.

I know people are hot on Colt Emerson but personally I am not impressed with his sample size in A and A+ granted he is still young but to rate him #27 in the top 100 I do not understand. If we really think about it, how can we really compare prospects when they all play in different leagues. If I am Cole Young or Harry Ford I would ask the question how is Colt rated higher than us when we play in a harder league and our A+ stats were better than his?

I think it’s fair that Emerson is higher than Young or Ford. Emerson has been a better player at their stages (which is why I like Arroyo cause has been too). Emerson is few years younger and is basically at Ford’s level in development. Slightly behind Young but it isn’t a significant difference. This isn’t meant to be a slight at Young but he is going to get a shot to make the opening day roster based solely on the Mariners self imposed salary cap not because he forced his way onto the roster. If JP struggles again next year and Emerson continues to play like he has then JP will be gone and Emerson will be the 2026 opening day SS.

 

[seattlefan75]

I think it’s fair that Emerson is higher than Young or Ford. Emerson has been a better player at their stages (which is why I like Arroyo cause has been too). Emerson is few years younger and is basically at Ford’s level in development. Slightly behind Young but it isn’t a significant difference. This isn’t meant to be a slight at Young but he is going to get a shot to make the opening day roster based solely on the Mariners self imposed salary cap not because he forced his way onto the roster. If JP struggles again next year and Emerson continues to play like he has then JP will be gone and Emerson will be the 2026 opening day SS.

Maybe I don't know baseball but why is Emerson on the same level as Ford? After seeing his sample 150 at bats at A+ I wouldn't think that he would put up the numbers Ford put up in AA? I do agree if Emerson continues his path he will be in the majors assuming he doesn't get injured or struggle too much. With how bad the infield is I think the Mariners are trying to apply bandaids until Young, emerson, and possibly Celesten and Peete are near their promotion and use their cap to keep their rotation pitchers.

 

[wazzu31]

Maybe I don't know baseball but why is Emerson on the same level as Ford? After seeing his sample 150 at bats at A+ I wouldn't think that he would put up the numbers Ford put up in AA? I do agree if Emerson continues his path he will be in the majors assuming he doesn't get injured or struggle too much. With how bad the infield is I think the Mariners are trying to apply bandaids until Young, emerson, and possibly Celesten and Peete are near their promotion and use their cap to keep their rotation pitchers.

Cause one is really, really good in high A and the other thus far has plateaued in AA. There isn’t really a big difference between the 2. Young is definitely more developed but you can totally see why the projection of Emerson is higher than Young, and projections are what these lists are plus he got promoted while Ford nor Young did.

 

[seattlefan75]

Cause one is really, really good in high A and the other thus far has plateaued in AA. There isn’t really a big difference between the 2. Young is definitely more developed but you can totally see why the projection of Emerson is higher than Young, and projections are what these lists are plus he got promoted while Ford nor Young did.

so why can't the standard just be however the prospect performs in AA and just rank them from that stand point? I think it is entirely possible Emerson will plateaue in AA as from his stat line was not much different than Ford or young in high A. I guess it really doesn;t matter because at the end of the day all the minors are is a development mechanism to prepare players for the majors. Rankings really do not matter as I have mentioned with my Kelenic and Woo example.

 

[wazzu31]

so why can't the standard just be however the prospect performs in AA and just rank them from that stand point? I think it is entirely possible Emerson will plateaue in AA as from his stat line was not much different than Ford or young in high A. I guess it really doesn;t matter because at the end of the day all the minors are is a development mechanism to prepare players for the majors. Rankings really do not matter as I have mentioned with my Kelenic and Woo example.

Cause then it’s not prospects. It isn’t any different than football prospects. It isn’t ever about how you are doing currently it’s about projecting. Though as I’ve been complaining about projection eventually should meet production. Which is why I think Emerson leapfrogged Ford cause Emerson was a better player at Modesto and Everett and Ford seems to have stalled.

 

[NWinAZ]

 

[wazzu31]

Really wondering if they are going to start him in AA or back to Everett. Was listening to lookout landing that had a prospect dude on that said he thinks he needs to go back to Everett which to me doesn’t make sense. He’s doing better than Locklear and not only did they fast track him to AAA they called him up.

 

[NWinAZ]

Really wondering if they are going to start him in AA or back to Everett. Was listening to lookout landing that had a prospect dude on that said he thinks he needs to go back to Everett which to me doesn’t make sense. He’s doing better than Locklear and not only did they fast track him to AAA they called him up.

That would be crazy if true. That is a step back IMO.

In a related note, I still get Colt and Cole confused. One article talks about Cole being the stud then the next article says Colt is the future. I hope at least one makes an impact in the next couple of years....for us.

 

[wazzu31]

That would be crazy if true. That is a step back IMO.

In a related note, I still get Colt and Cole confused. One article talks about Cole being the stud then the next article says Colt is the future. I hope at least one makes an impact in the next couple of years....for us.

lol yeah it was confusing at first. I think for sure Cole will have a chance if he isn’t traded. It was a weird justification to keeping Colt in Everett. Basically the guy said if you put him in AA that puts extra pressure on him cause in AA you are basically an injury from the MLB. Not sure how he came to that conclusion cause if that were the case Ford and Young would’ve made their debuts last year. But neither seemed ready until the very end of the Arkansas season when Young went off.

 

[NWinAZ]

lol yeah it was confusing at first. I think for sure Cole will have a chance if he isn’t traded. It was a weird justification to keeping Colt in Everett. Basically the guy said if you put him in AA that puts extra pressure on him cause in AA you are basically an injury from the MLB. Not sure how he came to that conclusion cause if that were the case Ford and Young would’ve made their debuts last year. But neither seemed ready until the very end of the Arkansas season when Young went off.

Ya, I am with you on that. It is just the natural progression after this offseason he is having. Don't be afraid to challenge these guys.