Looks like Benjamin will be there

[deanpet21]

exactly skinsdad. Why spend a high 2nd round pick on a risk player.

 

[Sleepy T]

exactly skinsdad. Why spend a high 2nd round pick on a risk player.

But yet you don't think Kojo is a risk at that #34 spot? After failing physicals for an arthritic knee that they say could be problematic for the rest if his career. Oh yeah... His combine sucked too.

I would pick Kojo.. But not at that spot.

Also... They are all risks really. Very few sure bets in the draft. That includes Moses, Attachou, and on and on and on. And one other thing, half of us could scout as good as some of those analysts/experts.

 

[deanpet21]

Kojo is not a risk b/c his knee checked out ok and had a great pro day workout. Plus he has a chance to START on this team. I rather take the risk on getting a dominate RT than a 4th WR red zone threat who has work ethic issues and questionable hands.


I still don't think he will be there at #34.

 

[skinsdad62]

look i cant say who we will pick . i can only put the facts up that i can see

i can see not reaching for an o/lineman

but it is a really hard sell to me to take a #4 wr because he can catch a fade pattern . @ 34 in round 5 ? sure but @ 34 ? hmmmmmmmmm

i think we will go look at our needs . , prioritize them , then make our draft board up based on player ratings .

we will look at our 1st need , see if we get value there when compared to our board , if we do we make the pick , if we dont we move to the next need and so on . if we cant get value then we look at the top player on our board and either take him or explore a trade down

when you are 3-13 you are looking for starters and this draft you could get starters in round 2-3 as well . to me a red zone fade catcher is a luxury i hope we dont get forced into taking

 

[martinez]

out of all the names we have thrown around for 34 kojo is the one guy i would be pissed if we drafted. he got destroyed vs oklahoma, hes pretty inconsistent, has knee problems, plays for bama, slow, terrible combine, is way more of a run blocker than pass blocker which isnt what we really want for our right tackle. please dont draft him at 34 allen.

 

[Sharkinva]

exactly skinsdad. Why spend a high 2nd round pick on a risk player.

As some one else just said, every player is a risk. Why spend four high picks on an option QB who was already one a rebuilt knee (twice now)?? Not saying that Benjamin has as much "potential" as the chosen one. But at 34 for one pick he is a hell of alot less of a risky pick.

 

[skinsdad62]

As some one else just said, every player is a risk. Why spend four high picks on an option QB who was already one a rebuilt knee (twice now)?? Not saying that Benjamin has as much "potential" as the chosen one. But at 34 for one pick he is a hell of alot less of a risky pick.

that is fine and dandy if we are comparing benji to Rg3 and they were both in the same draft . unfortunately that isnt the case .

we are talking about whether we should draft a lazy 6-5 wr with the dropsies who no showed a workout who might help us on the elusive fade pattern .

all picks are risks , great i glad we got that passed

 

[Sharkinva]

that is fine and dandy if we are comparing benji to Rg3 and they were both in the same draft . unfortunately that isnt the case .

we are talking about whether we should draft a lazy 6-5 wr with the dropsies who no showed a workout who might help us on the elusive fade pattern .

all picks are risks , great i glad we got that passed

Strike a nerve I must have. But lets be real here. Lazy was Malcolm Kelly, you dont catch for 1000 yards and 15 TDs in a season being lazy.

Here is a scouting report I want you to take a look at. Its some one we should all know very well. The second one is for Benjamin and sounds erriely similar would you agree??


PLayer X

Strengths
An absolute play maker at the wide receiver position. Does a great job going up and getting the ball at it’s highest point. Good body control. Will get physical and fight for the ball in the air with the defender. Big, physical guy that is hard for corners to push around and tackle. Very good after the catch, especially for a bigger wide receiver. Quicker on tape than his straight line speed indicates, but fast enough to stretch the field. There’s not an area of the field that Bryant can’t successfully work. Isn’t afraid of contact and doesn’t get alligator arms when catching in traffic. Tracks the ball well while in the air. Displays good balance when changing directions. Ideal bulk and frame. Solid punt returner.


Weaknesses
Not a polished route runner by any means, as are most spread offense wide receivers. Though his hands are reliable, he’s dropped his share of passes he wishes he could have back. For a big guy, he’s not as good of a downfield blocker as you’d like to see and he sometimes seems disinterested when the play doesn’t involve him. Has some character/maturity concerns and was suspended for most of his junior season. Because of that, player has only seen 19 career starts and has only played in a total of 28 games.


Analysis
Player is a very solid wide receiver that may see a bit of a fall on draft day due to some off-field issues. There are also concerns about his maturity which may have stemmed from a tough upbringing, according to various sources. He’s not a polished route runner, but neither was Michael Crabtree last year. His straight line speed isn’t impressive, but neither was Anquan Boldin’s. Overall, the character concerns regarding player have been magnified a bit too much, partially because of problems with current NFL star wide receivers, Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall. All in all, playeers talent says top 10 pick. The off-field issues are what will make him slide, but he won’t fall far. If Bryant starts to fall on draft day, you should fully expect a team to trade up and grab him before he falls too far.


Benjamin

Strengths:
Big-time downfield play-maker
Fast for his size
Long-strider; can challenge a secondary vertically
Dominant size
Always open because of his size
Play-maker; a threat to score from anywhere on the field
Fantastic body control
Amazing along the sideline
Superb at making contested catches over defensive backs
Big target
Leaping ability
Physical with corners
Attacks the football
Adept at finding soft spots in zone
Red-zone weapon
Presents a size mismatch
Can run over defensive backs
Solid route-runner
Enough quickness to get separation
Third-down weapon
Gets yards after catch
Nice fit in a West Coast offense
Upside

Weaknesses:
Needs to improve his hands
Will drop some passes
Raw
Must improve his route-running
Needs to improve blocking


Summary: Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston took college football by storm in 2012 with a historic freshman season. Winston won the Heisman Trophy and led the Seminoles to a National Championship. A big reason for Winston's success was the play of the offense around him, and Benjamin was one of those play-makers who made Winston's job easier.

In 2012, Benjamin was a reserve as he caught 30 passes for 495 yards with four touchdowns. The redshirt freshman averaged 16.5 yards per catch, which was just a glimpse of what was to come.

Benjamin made big plays for Winston downfield throughout the 2013 season. He used his speed to get deep and his size to make catches over defensive backs. Winston didn't target Benjamin as much as he did teammate Rashad Greene, but Benjamin was a point-producer for Florida State. Late in the year, Benjamin destroyed Florida cornerback Loucheiz Purifoy to the tune of 212 yards on nine catches with three touchdowns.

In the final minute of the BCS National Championship, Florida State went to Benjamin for the game-winning touchdown. He made the catch going over Auburn cornerback Chris Davis in the middle of the end zone. Benjamin hauled in 54 receptions for 1,011 yards with 15 touchdowns in his final season of college football. Those numbers easily could have been a lot higher, but Florida State spread the ball around.

Benjamin ran the 40-yard dash at the Combine in 4.61 seconds, but he plays faster than that time.

For the NFL, Benjamin is mismatch nightmare. He has such daunting size that he is always open. Benjamin can get open downfield and get separation from defensive backs, but even when they cover him, he can make catches over them. With Benjamin's size, leaping ability and body control, he is a fantastic red-zone weapon. If nothing else, Benjamin should be a touchdown-producer from the first day of his NFL carrer similar to Detroit Lions rookie tight end Joseph Fauria last year.

Benjamin has the potential to be a No. 1 receiver, but he is raw. Benjamin needs to improve his route-running, technique and hands. Greene was Winston's favorite receiver because he was more trustworthy than Benjamin, who was prone to some drops.

Benjamin also could be a great weapon as a second receiver, similar to the Bears' Alshon Jeffery is to Brandon Marshall. That might produce the best results for Benjamin, and he wouldn't have the pressure to lead an offense as the primary receiver.

With his tremendous skill set, Benjamin should be a mid- to late first-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft.


Lot of similarity there between Benjamin and Player X..... Now ask me who Player X is

 

[skinsdad62]

Strike a nerve I must have. But lets be real here. Lazy was Malcolm Kelly, you dont catch for 1000 yards and 15 TDs in a season being lazy.

Here is a scouting report I want you to take a look at. Its some one we should all know very well. The second one is for Benjamin and sounds erriely similar would you agree??


PLayer X

Strengths
An absolute play maker at the wide receiver position. Does a great job going up and getting the ball at it’s highest point. Good body control. Will get physical and fight for the ball in the air with the defender. Big, physical guy that is hard for corners to push around and tackle. Very good after the catch, especially for a bigger wide receiver. Quicker on tape than his straight line speed indicates, but fast enough to stretch the field. There’s not an area of the field that Bryant can’t successfully work. Isn’t afraid of contact and doesn’t get alligator arms when catching in traffic. Tracks the ball well while in the air. Displays good balance when changing directions. Ideal bulk and frame. Solid punt returner.


Weaknesses
Not a polished route runner by any means, as are most spread offense wide receivers. Though his hands are reliable, he’s dropped his share of passes he wishes he could have back. For a big guy, he’s not as good of a downfield blocker as you’d like to see and he sometimes seems disinterested when the play doesn’t involve him. Has some character/maturity concerns and was suspended for most of his junior season. Because of that, player has only seen 19 career starts and has only played in a total of 28 games.


Analysis
Player is a very solid wide receiver that may see a bit of a fall on draft day due to some off-field issues. There are also concerns about his maturity which may have stemmed from a tough upbringing, according to various sources. He’s not a polished route runner, but neither was Michael Crabtree last year. His straight line speed isn’t impressive, but neither was Anquan Boldin’s. Overall, the character concerns regarding player have been magnified a bit too much, partially because of problems with current NFL star wide receivers, Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall. All in all, playeers talent says top 10 pick. The off-field issues are what will make him slide, but he won’t fall far. If Bryant starts to fall on draft day, you should fully expect a team to trade up and grab him before he falls too far.


Benjamin

Strengths:
Big-time downfield play-maker
Fast for his size
Long-strider; can challenge a secondary vertically
Dominant size
Always open because of his size
Play-maker; a threat to score from anywhere on the field
Fantastic body control
Amazing along the sideline
Superb at making contested catches over defensive backs
Big target
Leaping ability
Physical with corners
Attacks the football
Adept at finding soft spots in zone
Red-zone weapon
Presents a size mismatch
Can run over defensive backs
Solid route-runner
Enough quickness to get separation
Third-down weapon
Gets yards after catch
Nice fit in a West Coast offense
Upside

Weaknesses:
Needs to improve his hands
Will drop some passes
Raw
Must improve his route-running
Needs to improve blocking


Summary: Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston took college football by storm in 2012 with a historic freshman season. Winston won the Heisman Trophy and led the Seminoles to a National Championship. A big reason for Winston's success was the play of the offense around him, and Benjamin was one of those play-makers who made Winston's job easier.

In 2012, Benjamin was a reserve as he caught 30 passes for 495 yards with four touchdowns. The redshirt freshman averaged 16.5 yards per catch, which was just a glimpse of what was to come.

Benjamin made big plays for Winston downfield throughout the 2013 season. He used his speed to get deep and his size to make catches over defensive backs. Winston didn't target Benjamin as much as he did teammate Rashad Greene, but Benjamin was a point-producer for Florida State. Late in the year, Benjamin destroyed Florida cornerback Loucheiz Purifoy to the tune of 212 yards on nine catches with three touchdowns.

In the final minute of the BCS National Championship, Florida State went to Benjamin for the game-winning touchdown. He made the catch going over Auburn cornerback Chris Davis in the middle of the end zone. Benjamin hauled in 54 receptions for 1,011 yards with 15 touchdowns in his final season of college football. Those numbers easily could have been a lot higher, but Florida State spread the ball around.

Benjamin ran the 40-yard dash at the Combine in 4.61 seconds, but he plays faster than that time.

For the NFL, Benjamin is mismatch nightmare. He has such daunting size that he is always open. Benjamin can get open downfield and get separation from defensive backs, but even when they cover him, he can make catches over them. With Benjamin's size, leaping ability and body control, he is a fantastic red-zone weapon. If nothing else, Benjamin should be a touchdown-producer from the first day of his NFL carrer similar to Detroit Lions rookie tight end Joseph Fauria last year.

Benjamin has the potential to be a No. 1 receiver, but he is raw. Benjamin needs to improve his route-running, technique and hands. Greene was Winston's favorite receiver because he was more trustworthy than Benjamin, who was prone to some drops.

Benjamin also could be a great weapon as a second receiver, similar to the Bears' Alshon Jeffery is to Brandon Marshall. That might produce the best results for Benjamin, and he wouldn't have the pressure to lead an offense as the primary receiver.

With his tremendous skill set, Benjamin should be a mid- to late first-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft.


Lot of similarity there between Benjamin and Player X..... Now ask me who Player X is

i dont care who player "X" is

 

[j_y19]

Strike a nerve I must have. But lets be real here. Lazy was Malcolm Kelly, you dont catch for 1000 yards and 15 TDs in a season being lazy.

Here is a scouting report I want you to take a look at. Its some one we should all know very well. The second one is for Benjamin and sounds erriely similar would you agree??


PLayer X

Strengths
An absolute play maker at the wide receiver position. Does a great job going up and getting the ball at it’s highest point. Good body control. Will get physical and fight for the ball in the air with the defender. Big, physical guy that is hard for corners to push around and tackle. Very good after the catch, especially for a bigger wide receiver. Quicker on tape than his straight line speed indicates, but fast enough to stretch the field. There’s not an area of the field that Bryant can’t successfully work. Isn’t afraid of contact and doesn’t get alligator arms when catching in traffic. Tracks the ball well while in the air. Displays good balance when changing directions. Ideal bulk and frame. Solid punt returner.


Weaknesses
Not a polished route runner by any means, as are most spread offense wide receivers. Though his hands are reliable, he’s dropped his share of passes he wishes he could have back. For a big guy, he’s not as good of a downfield blocker as you’d like to see and he sometimes seems disinterested when the play doesn’t involve him. Has some character/maturity concerns and was suspended for most of his junior season. Because of that, player has only seen 19 career starts and has only played in a total of 28 games.


Analysis
Player is a very solid wide receiver that may see a bit of a fall on draft day due to some off-field issues. There are also concerns about his maturity which may have stemmed from a tough upbringing, according to various sources. He’s not a polished route runner, but neither was Michael Crabtree last year. His straight line speed isn’t impressive, but neither was Anquan Boldin’s. Overall, the character concerns regarding player have been magnified a bit too much, partially because of problems with current NFL star wide receivers, Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall. All in all, playeers talent says top 10 pick. The off-field issues are what will make him slide, but he won’t fall far. If Bryant starts to fall on draft day, you should fully expect a team to trade up and grab him before he falls too far.


Benjamin

Strengths:
Big-time downfield play-maker
Fast for his size
Long-strider; can challenge a secondary vertically
Dominant size
Always open because of his size
Play-maker; a threat to score from anywhere on the field
Fantastic body control
Amazing along the sideline
Superb at making contested catches over defensive backs
Big target
Leaping ability
Physical with corners
Attacks the football
Adept at finding soft spots in zone
Red-zone weapon
Presents a size mismatch
Can run over defensive backs
Solid route-runner
Enough quickness to get separation
Third-down weapon
Gets yards after catch
Nice fit in a West Coast offense
Upside

Weaknesses:
Needs to improve his hands
Will drop some passes
Raw
Must improve his route-running
Needs to improve blocking


Summary: Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston took college football by storm in 2012 with a historic freshman season. Winston won the Heisman Trophy and led the Seminoles to a National Championship. A big reason for Winston's success was the play of the offense around him, and Benjamin was one of those play-makers who made Winston's job easier.

In 2012, Benjamin was a reserve as he caught 30 passes for 495 yards with four touchdowns. The redshirt freshman averaged 16.5 yards per catch, which was just a glimpse of what was to come.

Benjamin made big plays for Winston downfield throughout the 2013 season. He used his speed to get deep and his size to make catches over defensive backs. Winston didn't target Benjamin as much as he did teammate Rashad Greene, but Benjamin was a point-producer for Florida State. Late in the year, Benjamin destroyed Florida cornerback Loucheiz Purifoy to the tune of 212 yards on nine catches with three touchdowns.

In the final minute of the BCS National Championship, Florida State went to Benjamin for the game-winning touchdown. He made the catch going over Auburn cornerback Chris Davis in the middle of the end zone. Benjamin hauled in 54 receptions for 1,011 yards with 15 touchdowns in his final season of college football. Those numbers easily could have been a lot higher, but Florida State spread the ball around.

Benjamin ran the 40-yard dash at the Combine in 4.61 seconds, but he plays faster than that time.

For the NFL, Benjamin is mismatch nightmare. He has such daunting size that he is always open. Benjamin can get open downfield and get separation from defensive backs, but even when they cover him, he can make catches over them. With Benjamin's size, leaping ability and body control, he is a fantastic red-zone weapon. If nothing else, Benjamin should be a touchdown-producer from the first day of his NFL carrer similar to Detroit Lions rookie tight end Joseph Fauria last year.

Benjamin has the potential to be a No. 1 receiver, but he is raw. Benjamin needs to improve his route-running, technique and hands. Greene was Winston's favorite receiver because he was more trustworthy than Benjamin, who was prone to some drops.

Benjamin also could be a great weapon as a second receiver, similar to the Bears' Alshon Jeffery is to Brandon Marshall. That might produce the best results for Benjamin, and he wouldn't have the pressure to lead an offense as the primary receiver.

With his tremendous skill set, Benjamin should be a mid- to late first-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft.


Lot of similarity there between Benjamin and Player X..... Now ask me who Player X is

He's a player that gives us fits almost every time we face him, which is twice a year. If we could draft the player equivalent of Bryant, we would be foolish not to unless there is a better talent on the board. You can never have too much talent at WR. I guarantee you that either, or both, Garcon and Jackson miss time this year due to injury. Again, draft for the long term. Take a player at 34 that has the capability to be a playmaker and difference maker for years.

 

[skinsdad62]

He's a player that gives us fits almost every time we face him, which is twice a year. If we could draft the player equivalent of Bryant, we would be foolish not to unless there is a better talent on the board. You can never have too much talent at WR. I guarantee you that either, or both, Garcon and Jackson miss time this year due to injury. Again, draft for the long term. Take a player at 34 that has the capability to be a playmaker and difference maker for years.

geez now he is the next dez bryant ? well if he is he wont be there at 34

well here is this scouting report . still developing as a route runner adding to questions about his ability to play right away . while his size is problematic for defenders it makes it difficult for him to sink his hips and explode out of cuts . making him much better suited for verticals and crossing routes , then double moves limiting his fit to certain schemes . drops too many passes, allows ball into his chest too often . will take eyes of the ball before it is actually secured . leading to ugly drops .

compares to plaxico buress. he is rough around the edges making him more of a boom or bust player

 

[Sharkinva]

i dont care who player "X" is

Of course you dont. Because you want an O-lineman who has a 50/50 shot of being a backup over a WR who even as the #4 will come in and contribute from day one. there is a reason why Chester and Polumbus were not cut for cap reasons. Which is why I would not count on them simply passing over Benjamin if he is there at 34. YOu can scream for a safety, ILB or O-line. But realistically who ever we draft at 34 WONT be starting this year. And if we are drafting for depth, I would sooner a depth player who has a better than 60% chance of actually contributing this year instead of us screaming all year how I can believe ( insert name) didnt beat out so and so to start. IF they were considering this a punt and rebuild year, I could almost understand that logic. But with the shape of this division, they are and SHOULD be going for the Division win. And a backup OT, ILB or S doesnt fit THAT particular need now does it?

 

[Sharkinva]

geez now he is the next dez bryant ? well if he is he wont be there at 34

well here is this scouting report . still developing as a route runner adding to questions about his ability to play right away . while his size is problematic for defenders it makes it difficult for him to sink his hips and explode out of cuts . making him much better suited for verticals and crossing routes , then double moves limiting his fit to certain schemes . drops too many passes, allows ball into his chest too often . will take eyes of the ball before it is actually secured . leading to ugly drops .

compares to plaxico buress. he is rough around the edges making him more of a boom or bust player

Even THAT scouting report has him as a late first early second round talent Skinsdad.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

NFL Media analyst Charles Davis reports that some sources have FSU WR Kelvin Benjamin falling to the second round.
"I've had some sources tell me they think he might go in the second round. He seemed like a lock for the first round at one point, and might still go in the opening round, but his star has faded," Davis wrote. At 6-foot-5, 240 pounds, some teams are concerned about his ability to play at a high level at WR at his current weight. It's also been mentioned by NFL Media draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah, that some evaluators even think he could be a better fit "as a flexed out TE" at the next level. Whatever the reason for his fading star, now is not the time for a prospect to have his stock start dropping. However, we also have to be fully aware that this is smoke screen season.


I don't know how you guys don't think this is a huge risk pick. Especially over Moses, Kojo, Van Noy, and Attachou.

I'm not surprised. I never actually believed he was going in the 1st round, anyway. This is so tricky. We just added DeSean and Andre Roberts to go along with Pierre Garcon. However, I am not sold on any other of our other WRs, which include Santana Moss (age), Hanks (drops, injuries), Aldrick Robinson (drops), and David Gettis, who hasn't played in two years. In addition, we do not and never had a WR of Kelvin Benjamin's size. You can't argue with a 6'5 240lb. target, especially with his ability to go and get it in the air. I've seen it, many times. He's clutch, too. You can catch all you want, but make the catch, when it counts. And that flexed out TE quote is a bunch of bull. They said the same thing about Alshon Jeffrey, pre-draft. Nuff said. Benjamin scares me a little because of his drops at times, but so does Morgan Moses and Kojo scare me. If Kojo's knees weren't an issue, I'd be all in. Van Noy is a stud. I love the fact that he can also play ILB. Attachou is a good pass-rusher, but do we need to spend our first pick on a guy, who is not going to see the field? Not to mention, I'm not sure if he's better than Brandon Jenkins, who also didn't see the field, last year. So, it comes down to Van Noy and Kelvin Benjamin, if both are available. I don't know who I'd choose.

 

[skinsdad62]

Of course you dont. Because you want an O-lineman who has a 50/50 shot of being a backup over a WR who even as the #4 will come in and contribute from day one. there is a reason why Chester and Polumbus were not cut for cap reasons. Which is why I would not count on them simply passing over Benjamin if he is there at 34. YOu can scream for a safety, ILB or O-line. But realistically who ever we draft at 34 WONT be starting this year. And if we are drafting for depth, I would sooner a depth player who has a better than 60% chance of actually contributing this year instead of us screaming all year how I can believe ( insert name) didnt beat out so and so to start. IF they were considering this a punt and rebuild year, I could almost understand that logic. But with the shape of this division, they are and SHOULD be going for the Division win. And a backup OT, ILB or S doesnt fit THAT particular need now does it?

realistically you have no idea who will be starting next year with the 34th pick . this is a deep draft and we could get starters into round 3 or maybe we wont

we have finished last 5 of the last 6 years . we shouldnt expect a division title run we will be lucky to garner 8 wins . and your kind of thinking is what gets us in trouble . you believe we are contenders right now and we should skip on how to fundamentally build a team to short cut a possible division title . the LOS on both sides of the ball needs work . we wont win consistently until we fix that

and why does the o/lineman have to be the next (insert bust here ) ? why cant he be jon jansen ? why cant he be the next 10 year starting OG ? or C

read what going on here shark , we made a huge play for penn . we have brought in o/lineman for visits we have brought in ilbs olbs safties cb's and some late round wrs we have had d/lineman in .

 

[SkinFaninATL]

Of course you dont. Because you want an O-lineman who has a 50/50 shot of being a backup over a WR who even as the #4 will come in and contribute from day one. there is a reason why Chester and Polumbus were not cut for cap reasons. Which is why I would not count on them simply passing over Benjamin if he is there at 34. YOu can scream for a safety, ILB or O-line. But realistically who ever we draft at 34 WONT be starting this year. And if we are drafting for depth, I would sooner a depth player who has a better than 60% chance of actually contributing this year instead of us screaming all year how I can believe ( insert name) didnt beat out so and so to start. IF they were considering this a punt and rebuild year, I could almost understand that logic. But with the shape of this division, they are and SHOULD be going for the Division win. And a backup OT, ILB or S doesnt fit THAT particular need now does it?

Shark! As usual, you make a good argument. Many of us has been screming for safety, ILB, and O-line. With the youth we have at safety, I'm don't want one. Ryan Clark can hold the fort down, until Rambo and Phillip Thomas are ready. Why draft another young safety? Would he actually be any better than those guys? We haven't even seen Phillip Thomas in action. Good point about Polumbus. He's still here for a reason. Can a draftee beat him out at RT? That's a 50/50 chance. At ILB, we have depth with Jordan, Sharpton, and Keenan Robinson. Can a ILB beat those guys out? That leaves the WR position. In my latest post, I mentioned, we really don't have much after DeSean, Garcon, and Andre Roberts. One is hurt, another is old, another is fast, but inconsistent, and the last hasn't played in two years, though he's tall. This is where the need to get a WR with size and play-making ability comes in. This is where Benjamin comes in. He is big, fast enough, and is one of the best at the contested catch. As a 4th WR, we can use a guy like him, especially in the redzone.

 

[Sharkinva]

realistically you have no idea who will be starting next year with the 34th pick . this is a deep draft and we could get starters into round 3 or maybe we wont

we have finished last 5 of the last 6 years . we shouldnt expect a division title run we will be lucky to garner 8 wins . and your kind of thinking is what gets us in trouble . you believe we are contenders right now and we should skip on how to fundamentally build a team to short cut a possible division title . the LOS on both sides of the ball needs work . we wont win consistently until we fix that

and why does the o/lineman have to be the next (insert bust here ) ? why cant he be jon jansen ? why cant he be the next 10 year starting OG ? or C

read what going on here shark , we made a huge play for penn . we have brought in o/lineman for visits we have brought in ilbs olbs safties cb's and some late round wrs we have had d/lineman in .

Beyond the top 5-7 picks in the draft, only about 40% of players actually get drafted by teams they visited. Im not looking for a short cut. Im looking for the team to take a talented player that DOES actually fill a need if available. Any OLB we bring in will at best be a backup, same for CBs and safties. You and I both know this. If the coaching staff were really that down on Polumbus and Chester, they COULD and likely would have cut one or both and brought in better talent which was available and likely would have cost less. I want to draft a player that has a better than average chance of contributing at 34. Now aside from drafting an OT and starting him well just because we drafted him at 34, I dont see another spot on the team where there is a better than 40% chance of a rookie contributing much less starting over who we have at the moment.

 

[skinsdad62]

Beyond the top 5-7 picks in the draft, only about 40% of players actually get drafted by teams they visited. Im not looking for a short cut. Im looking for the team to take a talented player that DOES actually fill a need if available. Any OLB we bring in will at best be a backup, same for CBs and safties. You and I both know this. If the coaching staff were really that down on Polumbus and Chester, they COULD and likely would have cut one or both and brought in better talent which was available and likely would have cost less. I want to draft a player that has a better than average chance of contributing at 34. Now aside from drafting an OT and starting him well just because we drafted him at 34, I dont see another spot on the team where there is a better than 40% chance of a rookie contributing much less starting over who we have at the moment.

filo could start for us , richburg could start for us van noy at ilb could start for us , ward could start for us

and lets say you are right about visits . ( 1/2 our draft last season did visit us .) dont worry about who visits look at the positions .

and didnt you argue a few months ago about keeping our whole o/line intact going into TC and let the competition determine who is on the team . fact is chester nor polo need to be cut right before the draft or much before june one and we did cut one in monty

perhaps if we draft the right guys YOU WILL see the cuts

and if i am to allow the benji to have time to contribute why cant i have the same at another position ?

 

[countryroads316]

here is why I don't want us to draft him
Kelvin Benjamin - WR - Player

In the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's annual poll of NFL personnel men, Florida State's Kelvin Benjamin tied for seventh in the scouts and executives' wide receiver rankings.

The media has been higher on Benjamin than the NFL throughout the draft process, by all indications. Benjamin tied Indiana's Cody Latimer and Colorado speedster Paul Richardson for seventh in the Journal-Sentinel's vote-based "points" system, behind Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks, Marqise Lee, and Jordan Matthews, in that order. "He's stiff and lazy," one scout said of Benjamin. "Can't separate. Inconsistent catcher. I don't think he has off the field what it takes to be great on field. Other than that he'll be fine."

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Apr 30 - 8:18 PM

 

[Sharkinva]

here is why I don't want us to draft him
Kelvin Benjamin - WR - Player

In the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's annual poll of NFL personnel men, Florida State's Kelvin Benjamin tied for seventh in the scouts and executives' wide receiver rankings.

The media has been higher on Benjamin than the NFL throughout the draft process, by all indications. Benjamin tied Indiana's Cody Latimer and Colorado speedster Paul Richardson for seventh in the Journal-Sentinel's vote-based "points" system, behind Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, Brandin Cooks, Marqise Lee, and Jordan Matthews, in that order. "He's stiff and lazy," one scout said of Benjamin. "Can't separate. Inconsistent catcher. I don't think he has off the field what it takes to be great on field. Other than that he'll be fine."

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Apr 30 - 8:18 PM

Considering that people have questioned Clowneys work ethic and desire and he is STILL considered a top five pick. I cant really complain if we take Benjamin at 34. And as i said, if you think Coleman or any WR rated behind him is a better solution, you are deluding yourself. I honestly dont expect him to be there at 34, but if he is and we pass on him for a backup at some other position, I expect we will regret the move. Much as we regreted passing on Santana Moss for rod Gardner, and Warren Sapp for Mike Westbrooke.