Leafs elimination pool

[Harry Crack]

Irrelevant. It is all Phaneuf's fault.

and Phils

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

O.k. so I will ask the dumb question. These two minions go and Nonis stays? And then you add a layer of management with Shanny?


Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan
General manager Dave Nonis.
The Toronto Maple Leafs hired Kyle Dubas as their assistant general manager

Poulin had served as vice president of hockey operations for the Maple Leafs and Loiselle as vice president and assistant general manager.

What does that org chart look like? Who reports to who? And who does what?

Look, Shanny could've come in, blown everything to bits, start from the ground up. I'm not even arguing against the fact that maybe that was the best option.

But i'm not totally against seeing what you have to work with. Tinker a little, and see if the results change. If not, guess what? He's got a nice long contract and all the leeway in the world to make whatever changes he sees fit when he sees fit to make them. I would've fired Randy (I wouldn't have hired him to begin with, but), but do I fault Shanny for thinking Randy might be a decent NHL coach? No.

Same for Nonis, maybe he (and the organization as a whole) were wrong for keeping dumb and dumber around after Burke got the boot to begin with. Now they're gone, and he's got somebody new to work with. Nothing they've done this offseason was really awful, except maybe they gave Komarov too much. I know a lot of people freaked about the Gunnarsson trade, but it is typical of Leaf fans to freak out when a sack of PEI potatoes is traded for a sack of Idaho potatoes I guess. Didn't bother me. I was always willing to give Nonis one more season.

Shanny will watch the year progress, and watch for any hints of progress or regression and make a decision over the winter on whether he should move the bigger pieces and start fresh in all facets of the organization. Another 2 years of suffering, as long as it's for a good cause, won't bother me at all.

 

[DragonfromTO]

O.k. so I will ask the dumb question. These two minions go and Nonis stays? And then you add a layer of management with Shanny?


Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan
General manager Dave Nonis.
The Toronto Maple Leafs hired Kyle Dubas as their assistant general manager

Poulin had served as vice president of hockey operations for the Maple Leafs and Loiselle as vice president and assistant general manager.

What does that org chart look like? Who reports to who? And who does what?

I suspect that Dubas is being trained for the big job and Nonis is basically there for insulation at this point while Dubas gets a little experience at the top level. If they can Nonis now and hire Dubas and this season goes as badly as we think it will then he has to take a bunch of shit at the end of the season (for something that he played almost no part in). If they keep Nonis around they have someone to sacrifice.

 

[Abe Vigoda]

Look, Shanny could've come in, blown everything to bits, start from the ground up. I'm not even arguing against the fact that maybe that was the best option.

But i'm not totally against seeing what you have to work with. Tinker a little, and see if the results change. If not, guess what? He's got a nice long contract and all the leeway in the world to make whatever changes he sees fit when he sees fit to make them. I would've fired Randy (I wouldn't have hired him to begin with, but), but do I fault Shanny for thinking Randy might be a decent NHL coach? No.

Same for Nonis, maybe he (and the organization as a whole) were wrong for keeping dumb and dumber around after Burke got the boot to begin with. Now they're gone, and he's got somebody new to work with. Nothing they've done this offseason was really awful, except maybe they gave Komarov too much. I know a lot of people freaked about the Gunnarsson trade, but it is typical of Leaf fans to freak out when a sack of PEI potatoes is traded for a sack of Idaho potatoes I guess. Didn't bother me. I was always willing to give Nonis one more season.

Shanny will watch the year progress, and watch for any hints of progress or regression and make a decision over the winter on whether he should move the bigger pieces and start fresh in all facets of the organization. Another 2 years of suffering, as long as it's for a good cause, won't bother me at all.

I totally agree.
I guess my point was this: Who reports to who? And why fire here and there, or is it a Leafs blame game? Ultimately doesnt Nonis ink the deals the underlings make?

I'll use the corporate analogy. Im a VP of op's and I manage you (insert your fancy title that you require). One of your employees who you oversee fucks up, costs us millions or better yet causes physical, operational or reputational harm to the core of our business. Do I pink slip him, you (his boss) or me? Or do I go over and pink slip the secretary in Marketing?

That is why I asked what is the org chart look like? It's like 3 card monty just sliding pieces around...

 

[DragonfromTO]

I totally agree.
I guess my point was this: Who reports to who? And why fire here and there, or is it a Leafs blame game? Ultimately doesnt Nonis ink the deals the underlings make?

I'll use the corporate analogy. Im a VP of op's and I manage you (insert your fancy title that you require). One of your employees who you oversee fucks up, costs us millions or better yet causes physical, operational or reputational harm to the core of our business. Do I pink slip him, you (his boss) or me? Or do I go over and pink slip the secretary in Marketing?

That is why I asked what is the org chart look like? It's like 3 card monty just sliding pieces around...

Sort of depends on the nature of the fuck up, doesn't it?

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Good risk/reward I guess.

He sure looked done for most of the last couple of years though.

Maple Leafs sign Booth to one-year, $1M contract

 

[HUBSTER]

and Phils

I absolve Phil from all culpability.

http://SportsHoopla.com/o4lytah

 

[Swamp Dragon]

O.k. so I will ask the dumb question. These two minions go and Nonis stays? And then you add a layer of management with Shanny?


Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan
General manager Dave Nonis.
The Toronto Maple Leafs hired Kyle Dubas as their assistant general manager

Poulin had served as vice president of hockey operations for the Maple Leafs and Loiselle as vice president and assistant general manager.

What does that org chart look like? Who reports to who? And who does what?

Not sure how they work it with their asst's but usually one is also in charge of their minor league system one oversees the scouting department and one in charge of capology

 

[Harry Crack]

Not sure how they work it with their asst's but usually one is also in charge of their minor league system one oversees the scouting department and one in charge of capology

but which one is in charge of looking at the head coach and realizing he's a dickhole ?

 

[Rex Racer]

I absolve Phil from all culpability.

http://SportsHoopla.com/o4lytah

 

[Rex Racer]

but which one is in charge of looking at the head coach and realizing he's a dickhole ?

Best coach they've had since Ron Wilson!

 

[Harry Crack]

Best coach they've had since Ron Wilson!

That's like saying i would rather get kicked in the face then the nuts

 

[BGDave]

That's like saying i would rather get kicked in the face then the nuts

Or like saying, Dion is the best Leaf captain since Mats Sundin

 

[Stranger]

This took some digging...

Congratulations to BGDave for coming the closest to guess Carlyle's firing date.

Updated list with the latest entry:

Darkstone42: Leafs eliminated on 3/11
DragonfromTO: Leafs eliminated 3/16, Carlyle fired on 1/18
blindbaby: Leafs eliminated on 3/26
Abe Vigoda: Leafs eliminated 3/26
dare2be: Leafs eliminated 3/28
slapshot: Leafs eliminated and Carlyle fired on 3/31
Canuck, eh: Leafs eliminated 4/1, Carlyle fired on 3/24
dash: Leafs eliminated 4/3, Carlyle fired on 4/11
Cobiemonster: Leafs eliminated 4/3, Carlyle fired on 4/12
Bloody Brian Burke: Leafs eliminated 4/4, Carlyle fired on 1/20
Stranger: Leafs eliminated 4/4, Carlyle fired on 3/22
Puck082: Leafs eliminated 4/4, Carlyle fired in the off-season
Hubster: Leafs eliminated 4/4
Phantomphan: Leafs eliminated 4/5, Carlyle not fired
BGDave: Leafs eliminated 4/7, Carlyle fired 12/26
Swamp Dragon: Leafs eliminated 4/8, Carlyle fired on 1/21 or 1/22
pixburgher66: Leafs eliminated 4/8
esls79: Leafs eliminated 4/11, Carlyle fired on 12/17
DWIPensFan: Leafs make the playoff, lose in 4 of round one
Burghfan: Leafs make the playoff, lose in 4 of round one
Harry Crack: Leafs make the playoff, lose in 7 of round one
Spiny Norman: Leafs make the playoffs, make it to the second round
Rex Racer: Leafs make the playoffs, lose in the conference finals
Voltaire26: Leafs win the Cup

 

[Voltaire26]

The Maple Leafs make the Lions feel good. Misery loves company.

 

[DragonfromTO]

This took some digging...

Congratulations to BGDave for coming the closest to guess Carlyle's firing date.

Missed the big prize by one day...

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

This took some digging...

Congratulations to BGDave for coming the closest to guess Carlyle's firing date.

At least he's a Leaf fan.

I knew he was going in January

 

[Stranger]

Congratulations to DragonfromTO on winning the Leafs Elimination Pool, missing by just one day.

 

[BGDave]

Congrats to Dragon. In honor of Pat Quinn and using hindsight, St. Paddy's Day was the obvious choice.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Fuck, had the Randy firing and the elimination date.

Who's gonna win the Masters, Dragon?